List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[stavro#4]

Why are we even contemplating this.

Because it was implied that Marshall wanted to leave and be a number 1 ruck.

 

[LazarPoodovic]

Everyone will finally get the Max Heath debut they've been craving

 

[MordySaint]

Because it was implied that Marshall wanted to leave and be a number 1 ruck.

Seemed to enjoy it when Ryder was playing.

When we start to win, rather than getting pantsed by last place then life becomes a lot better.

 

[stavro#4]

It’s not the money it’s where you spend it. You can’t win in the NFL without a quality quarterback, then you need to protect him and give him targets etc.

In the AFL it all starts with the midfield, yes a ruckman is part of that setup and TDK is a very good one but without mids we’ll have the same problems we currently have. Realistically we have quite a few needs so while we have chased mids yes you take any quality player at a position of need you can get.

Here’s the thing that bothers me with the TDK deal firstly he’s not a big upgrade on Marshall and secondly who spends that much of the cap on a ruckman. Baseball has a stat called WAR wins against replacement, it grades players against others playing the same position. It’s very easy to see if a player moves the needle and how the loss of or recruitment of a player impacts the team. If you rated Marshall and TDK like that does he even move the needle ? $1.7 million a year of very little imo.

There are guys like Ed Richards who are free agents, he’d a be a massive upgrade in our midfield.

The money is irrelevant- every club has to spend a minimum of the cap every year.

We have just positioned ourselves to just bank that and use it and based on these rules it must be used or we lose the ability to do so.

So you are left with 2 options.

A) bringing any quality free agent - which also means overpaying to get them to come to stkilda.

Or

B) forward paying a young and unproven list like we did a decade ago - waiting for someone to want to join.


B is a significantly worse option.

Your next point about not being a better option is subjective. What we do know is that it’s highly unlikely Marshall gets better than he is. Where as there is a likelihood TDK could.

But what I’ll guess they do like is that fact that our timeline shifts its demographic to be led by Higgins and TDK, moving away from the small window we have left from Marshall, Sinclair and Wilkie.

You throwing names like Ed Richards is completely irrelevant. I could say Harley Reid would be better or Sam Lalor etc. point is that if they don’t want to come - what do you do?

The only cost to attain an A grade player in this scenario is cap space. Not list assets.

 

[Train12]

Potentially the club may also be planning for the sun to be scraped next year and have 5 on the bench ?
Supposedly they thought it would be gone this year ?
Probably easier to play 2 ruckman without a sub ?

 

[MordySaint]

Your next point about not being a better option is subjective. What we do know is that it’s highly unlikely Marshall gets better than he is. Where as there is a likelihood TDK could.

You probably use that same argument with Battle and Tauru. It's a stretch and a complete gamble.

Right now we are on the road to disenfranchising Marshall and then maybe TDK doesn't come... then where do we sit.

 

[Yawkey way]

The money is irrelevant- every club has to spend a minimum of the cap every year.

We have just positioned ourselves to just bank that and use it and based on these rules it must be used or we lose the ability to do so.

So you are left with 2 options.

A) bringing any quality free agent - which also means overpaying to get them to come to stkilda.

Or

B) forward paying a young and unproven list like we did a decade ago - waiting for someone to want to join.


B is a significantly worse option.

Your next point about not being a better option is subjective. What we do know is that it’s highly unlikely Marshall gets better than he is. Where as there is a likelihood TDK could.

But what I’ll guess they do like is that fact that our timeline shifts its demographic to be led by Higgins and TDK, moving away from the small window we have left from Marshall, Sinclair and Wilkie.

You throwing names like Ed Richards is completely irrelevant. I could say Harley Reid would be better or Sam Lalor etc. point is that if they don’t want to come - what do you do?

The only cost to attain an A grade player in this scenario is cap space. Not list assets.

Ed Richards is out of contract surely we’ve asked, but this is st Kilda and we have so many crazy stories even as recently as Lethlean. Yes the only thing with TDK is we get to kick the can down the road plus I’m assuming Marshall will be on his way to another team so maybe that pick will be traded for another need.

 

[stavro#4]

You probably use that same argument with Battle and Tauru. It's a stretch and a complete gamble.

You’re acting like I want to trade him. I’ve said I don’t and am just making my position clear if Marshall wants to leave or the club itself wants to trade him.

But I also don’t subscribe to your belief that Marshall will be a quality ruck until 38.

He already doesn’t look as dominant as he did last season

 

[stavro#4]

Ed Richards is out of contract surely we’ve asked, but this is st Kilda and we have so many crazy stories even as recently as Lethlean. Yes the only thing with TDK is we get to kick the can down the road plus I’m assuming Marshall will be on his way to another team so maybe that pick will be traded for another need.

He is also re-signing

 

[AirWinmar]

There has been some posts about Lethers saying no to Noah Anderson

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Noah Anderson

Age

25

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

in his 1st year and it's widely known he advised Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

to sign with GC when he wanted to come across. Which club was he working for at the time?? Sounds dodgy as when you put the 2 together and came to us from AFL hq

 

[Mowman]

You probably use that same argument with Battle and Tauru. It's a stretch and a complete gamble.

Right now we are on the road to disenfranchising Marshall and then maybe TDK doesn't come... then where do we sit.

No we already know that TDK is a very good player so its not a gamble
We wont know with Taura for 2 to 3 years

 

[saintbill]

There has been some posts about Lethers saying no to Noah Anderson in his 1st year and it's widely known he advised Ben King to sign with GC when he wanted to come across. Which club was he working for at the time?? Sounds dodgy as when you put the 2 together and came to us from AFL hq

Dodgy is Lethers middle name

 

[botts]

There has been some posts about Lethers saying no to Noah Anderson in his 1st year and it's widely known he advised Ben King to sign with GC when he wanted to come across. Which club was he working for at the time?? Sounds dodgy as when you put the 2 together and came to us from AFL hq

Ross probably found this shit out and that’s why he wanted him gone

 

[AirWinmar]

I know were the Saints and we like to be nice, but what club CEO actively dissuades young talent from coming across? It's not like we have a plethora of good players trying to come to us

 

[falkstar]

I know were the Saints and we like to be nice, but what club CEO actively dissuades young talent from coming across? It's not like we have a plethora of good players trying to come to us

I remember it well and Lethers was saying he told Ben and his old man thats an amazing deal and crazy not to take it but thats insane. Its only money. Playing with your twin bro for team you grew up with is Lethleen an a grade flog

 

[botts]

I remember it well and Lethers was saying he told Ben and his old man thats an amazing deal and crazy not to take it but thats insane. Its only money. Playing with your twin bro for team you grew up with is Lethleen an a grade flog

We should take him to court for negligence. Dead set who says no to those players.

 

[Joffaboy]

There has been some posts about Lethers saying no to Noah Anderson in his 1st year and it's widely known he advised Ben King to sign with GC when he wanted to come across. Which club was he working for at the time?? Sounds dodgy as when you put the 2 together and came to us from AFL hq

He advised Kings father for Ben to resign after the AFL gave Ben 150k a season extra outside the SC for 'Ambassador Money'.
Cool story bro but a bit light on for facts.

 

[Joffaboy]

We should take him to court for negligence. Dead set who says no to those players.

Nobody, it's bullshit the way it's framed.

 

[The Jack]

I know were the Saints and we like to be nice, but what club CEO actively dissuades young talent from coming across? It's not like we have a plethora of good players trying to come to us

AFL gave him money outside of the cap. He would have been nuts to leave. One of Joffas many AFL grievances. They screwed us yet again. Nothing to do with Lethers. We just couldn’t compete.

 

[sammm]

I remember it well and Lethers was saying he told Ben and his old man thats an amazing deal and crazy not to take it but thats insane. Its only money. Playing with your twin bro for team you grew up with is Lethleen an a grade flog

However,, I also remember how we thought Lethers was great in doing that.

 

[saint66au]

Our other problem is that weve been "at least 2-3 years away from contending" for 14 straight years

 

[Yawkey way]

He is also re-signing

So is Nas depending on who you listen to.

 

[stavro#4]

So is Nas depending on who you listen to.

Luckily I believe he is

 

[Harvestar]

If this chain reaction is kicked off by us taking TDK, we could do very well in a trade for Marshall. Maybe we use it as a way to land an A grade mid from someone

2 x FRP’s (ours and Marshall trade) + Boxshall for……. Reid?

 

[Diehard Saint]

Leek Aleer named this week.

Trying to push up his price.