List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[botts]

SOS will be making Williams aware that we excepted multiple high end first rounders. Zero chance we are taking unders.

 

[DarkSaint]

We have a problem when it comes to key position players at both ends of the ground and im watching our very own 198cm Oscar Adams who we thought was usless and delisted him play for GC currently.

We blame academies, draft quality and everything else under the sun in every press conference. Someone might want to tell the President and the coach about what is happening internally with the way we have wasted numerous top 18 draft picks while every club around us has drafted elite level talent. Since 2014 until 2021, we hang out hat on Max Hall yet get blind sided by players who should be at their absolute peak right now in McCartin, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Gresham, Coffield, Clark can also add in King (Rozee, B.King, Smith and Butters all top 12 picks after Max) thus far that have been a failure. We have hit only 1 elite player in Nas with years of not only top 18 picks but either top 5 or top 10.

I can't think of a club who has a worse strike rate then us when it comes to recruiting top 18 picks since 2014.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

If we want a big-bodied mid, we should get Alex Davies

193cm and the type who is also good on transition. Would come very cheap in terms of draft capital especially from Gold Coast

Means we wouldn't have to draft Greeves and can take a more modern-day type like MiniPou or Grlj instead

I read during the week that he was keen on looking at other options, he is not the tidiest player but definitely has a crack. We could do a lot worse if we wanted a ready to play big bodied midfielder. I see GCS are playing him in the midfield today and has 18 disposals at half time.

 

[akaifu]

I read during the week that he was keen on looking at other options, he is not the tidiest player but definitely has a crack. We could do a lot worse if we wanted a ready to play big bodied midfielder. I see GCS are playing him in the midfield today and has 18 disposals at half time.

He'd be Ned Long 2.0

A midfield enabler. Wins clearance and free up the likes of Pou/Garcia etc to run havoc on the outside

 

[gringo2011]

I used to think he was a spud too. But today he seems different - winning clearances and super clean against arguably the best midfield in the competition

For a third rounder, a 193cm mid who is good on transition is gold in the modern game imo especially since Pou is our only good 190cm+ mid

Not watching but he's shown promise in the past too. His size is nice and his best looks eye catching. Probably the type that goes either way. Gets more exposure as a mid and lifts like Matt Kennedy or doesn't quite have the next 20% left to become a gun. Good 2 year contract type to see what he's got.

 

[bergholt]

We blame academies, draft quality and everything else under the sun in every press conference. Someone might want to tell the President and the coach about what is happening internally with the way we have wasted numerous top 18 draft picks while every club around us has drafted elite level talent.

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Obviously we've drafted and developed terribly, but that doesn't mean it's justified that the system is stacked against us.

 

[beside the seaside]

Young Gun #6 if you're going to laugh at my posts on our board I'd be keen to hear your thoughts on how you pay for Nasiah. Otherwise maybe bugger off?

 

[SaintsofSteel]

He'd be Ned Long 2.0

A midfield enabler. Wins clearance and free up the likes of Pou/Garcia etc to run havoc on the outside

With the midfield talent GCS have coming in this years draft, they probably wouldn't want the world for him either. Depending on which way we want to go it might allow us to go with a tall forward with our first round pick.

 

[gringo2011]

We have a problem when it comes to key position players at both ends of the ground and im watching our very own 198cm Oscar Adams who we thought was usless and delisted him play for GC currently.

We blame academies, draft quality and everything else under the sun in every press conference. Someone might want to tell the President and the coach about what is happening internally with the way we have wasted numerous top 18 draft picks while every club around us has drafted elite level talent. Since 2014 until 2021, we hang out hat on Max Hall yet get blind sided by players who should be at their absolute peak right now in McCartin, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Gresham, Coffield, Clark can also add in King (Rozee, B.King, Smith and Butters all top 12 picks after Max) thus far that have been a failure. We have hit only 1 elite player in Nas with years of not only top 18 picks but either top 5 or top 10.

I can't think of a club who has a worse strike rate then us when it comes to recruiting top 18 picks since 2014.

Weird stuff that we draft three proper KPDs and dump them all before trying them. Clavarino, Adams and Van Es all reasonably high picks and all dumped before getting to show anything. Tall backs are a projects not instant impact. Also got rid of Darragh Joyce who has been a depth KP at Brisbane ever since.

 

[bergholt]

If we want a big-bodied mid, we should get Alex Davies

193cm and the type who is also good on transition. Would come very cheap in terms of draft capital especially from Gold Coast

Has a Japanese mum similar to Michito - could build our Japanese fanbase

 

[Sully111]

Does ITK stand for I'm the knob ?

Sometimes

 

[beside the seaside]

Weird stuff that we draft three proper KPDs and dump them all before trying them. Clavarino, Adams and Van Es all reasonably high picks and all dumped before getting to show anything. Tall backs are a projects not instant impact. Also got rid of Darragh Joyce who has been a depth KP at Brisbane ever since.

Then draft Barratt who is a massive project. Definitely a bit odd list management with the KPDs although Clav and Van Es haven't found their way back to AFL, yet.

 

[kernelT]

Weird stuff that we draft three proper KPDs and dump them all before trying them. Clavarino, Adams and Van Es all reasonably high picks and all dumped before getting to show anything. Tall backs are a projects not instant impact. Also got rid of Darragh Joyce who has been a depth KP at Brisbane ever since.

Heath, Keeler, Barrat & Schoonermaker say hold my beer.

 

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having a seriously good game. Current contract ends end of 2027.

Max King

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and a first round pick for Noah Anderson

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Noah Anderson

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

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12.0

3star

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6.0

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6.0

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2.0

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12.0

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[SainterinSydney]

I'm hearing 99.9 % of the stuff posted on here is made up bull sh1t from people chasing fame and that ITK status , all we need playing in the background is the Benny Hill them song as you read some of the garbage getting spread around

Tony is the 0.1%.

 

[AirWinmar]

Garcia with another 5-8 kg of muscle is going to be a hard man to stop, he has a massive upside IMO

Our strength and conditioning will probably make him lose 5kgs tho

 

[akaifu]

With the midfield talent GCS have coming in this years draft, they probably wouldn't want the world for him either. Depending on which way we want to go it might allow us to go with a tall forward with our first round pick.

1 year left on his deal

A F3 should suffice

 

[Diehard Saint]

Like I said - take what you will, but if you know anything about coaches, Ken is one of the most highly spoken of from a players point of view. Look at the players port has lost and acquired and compare that to crows and you will see in a 2 team state.

Saying that a coach doesn't matter to a player that is potentially looking at moving clubs is ridiculous and shows your foot

Interesting one, because by all accounts NAS has a great relationship with RTB.
So maybe, that’s what’s changed between end of last year and now?

 

[Teflon]

This aged like a fine wine, that you drink too much of and shit the bed.

Why?
Swans did look good ….GWS just went a level better …doesn’t change our efforts against a very good Swans outfit???

You talk too much shit (and not much footy I notice) ….that may be closer to the mark??

 

[Teflon]

Garcia is a poor user at this stage but then so are a lot of the very best midfielders. He's the kind of player that lifts his teammates with his passion and appetite for the contest.

Now there’s some insight….

 

[DarkSaint]

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Obviously we've drafted and developed terribly, but that doesn't mean it's justified that the system is stacked against us.

They do and they don't. We have benefited from NGA in Owens and Windhager and also look like benefiting from Fincher this coming draft as he looks a talent. Yes father sons we haven't, but if we done our part and drafted accordingly, we wouldn't be crying about it every single week. I think everyone agrees that the system is broken in some way shape or form, however mentioning it in every press conference pre or post game is just getting tiresome. For a coach who loves to trot out the line of we focus on what we can control, he sure as hell loves to focus on everything thats out of his control.

Our decline in structure and kicking skills are imo more of a priority that he should be worried about, as he will soon find himself out of a job.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Young Gun #6 if you're going to laugh at my posts on our board I'd be keen to hear your thoughts on how you pay for Nasiah. Otherwise maybe bugger off?

He’s spent days here on this board laughing at pretty much every post.
He’s obviously lost, been kicked off his own board, or enjoys the higher quality posting on ours.

 

[Teflon]

People get stuck into Kenny and Bevo but realistically both have taken their lists further than some would think they should have.

Port have done several rebuilds on the fly similar to what we are doing but usually stay top 4 and for a huge length of time. Finished top of the ladder for a lot of them. Same with Bevo, he's had them up while moving through the list to refresh and rebuild on the fly.

Their players seem to love them apart from the normal few that can get off side at any club. Both very warm positive coaches that let their players play to their strengths and encourage flair and fun.

Both haven't had the best run in finals but repeat chances give you the best chance at pinching one.

Bevo has massively under achieved
His “re-builds” have been severely enhanced by father sons (they’ve still got Croft waiting in the wings) while getting AFL kissed on the dick with changing bid rules on academy picks (Jamara hasn’t worked yet but still a gift)
To have struggled since 2016 to win another flag with the list he has had and an out and out superstar in Bont at your disposal is criminal
He can’t defend as a coach and against top 8 sides it shows
And blind Freddy can see Naughton is a defender but he has some weird love relationship there so won’t play him back (I’m glad about)
Not sold on his genius coaching ability at all shoulda had another cup at least

 

[Ads734]

They do and they don't. We have benefited from NGA in Owens and Windhager and also look like benefiting from Fincher this coming draft as he looks a talent. Yes father sons we haven't, but if we done our part and drafted accordingly, we wouldn't be crying about it every single week. I think everyone agrees that the system is broken in some way shape or form, however mentioning it in every press conference pre or post game is just getting tiresome. For a coach who loves to trot out the line of we focus on what we can control, he sure as hell loves to focus on everything thats out of his control.

Our decline in structure and kicking skills are imo more of a priority that he should be worried about, as he will soon find himself out of a job.

You are so off here it’s not funny. The issue with academy is regarding the exclusive access. We never had exclusive access to Windy or Owens. Any team could have taken them.

Furthermore having FS’s and academies allows you to make draft mistakes because you can offset those guys.

Lastly, I love when people criticise our drafting over the prior 15 years, but don’t acknowledge that we’ve replaced our recruiter. Like what do you suppose we do.

 

[beside the seaside]

Just on the KPDs the obvious one that could change things is Tauru. This year we've missed Battle so much, but Tauru has been decent coming off no pre-season. If he can have a huge pre-season it will be big for us.