List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[SainterinSydney]

I still will be shocked if he leaves. Ben Williams is pushing for max value. I think that is only reason it hasn't happened yet.

 

[LennyHayes77]

Did you watch the last quarter with a blindfold? When he lifts, everyone follows. When the game demands it, he stands up.
It’s been the way since he walked in.

Plenty of the games best players haven't been captain material. The captain is often the mouthpiece, the one to front up to the media. Nas can lead us on the field but there's no chance he wants the limelight of being an AFL captain. Wilkie has been my choice to be next captain for a while but we need someone younger and that's Windhager for mine.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

But seriously where did that 4 year rumour start from? Why would people just talk shit like that

Maybe let it play out boss. Where does this daily fretting get you? May not be bullshit after all.

 

[kernelT]

Since you started with Raph Clarke in 03, let's have a look at some of the misses these teams had in that time...

Carlton:
Jordan Russell (P9)
Adam Harlett (P25)
Paul Bower (20)

Collingwood:
Billy Morrison (P17)
Chris Egan (P10)
Sean Rusling (P23)
Danny Stanley (21)
Ryan Cook (23)

Hawthorn:
Harry Miller (25)
Tom Murphy (21)
Matt Little (25)
Beau Dowler (6)
Beau Muston (22)

Melbourne:
Matt Bate (13)

Richmond:
Alex Gilmour (P21)
Richard Tambling (4)
Danny Meyer (12)
Adam Pattison (16)
Dean Polo (20)
Jarrad Oakleigh-Nicholls (8)
Cleve Hughes (24)

Western Bulldogs:
Tom Williams (6)
Jesse Wells (22)

With the academy systems, father sons, and FA compensation coming in the first round usually blows out to 25ish picks.

I'm only THREE years in and look at how many top 25 picks these teams burned. Not just how many they burned but look at how many they had!

We only get 1, maybe 2, realistic chances at top talent these days.

Getting priority picks was a massive boost for the Hawks (Roughead & Ellis) and Pies (Thomas). Even the Tigers took theirs (Deledio) and traded him with that last roll of the dice effort in the 2016 off-season.

Given our poor development of a lot of our talented kids over the years we are really needing to nail every pick every year.

If the Lions/Suns/Swans/Giants miss on a top 10 prospect then who cares? They have 2-3 more coming in the next year or two anyway.

If Jagga Smith doesn't work for the Blues it's not a disaster, they have two first round father sons coming through.

If Nic Cox falls down for Essendon it sucks, but they got Kako last year and another kid this year for basically nothing, on top of their natural first round picks.

THAT is the issue with the system.

The clubs we are talking about, the "big clubs" with the historical success all built on the draft but they all had multiple bites of the cherry over multiple years with priority picks.

Except the Pies also got Father Sons. Cloke, Shaw, Moore, Daicos etc And IQ as a 1st round NGA kid.

The Dees (Gawn) and Tigers (Dusty) had to draft and develop GOAT level players to get to the top and both of them nearly failed.

Max Gawn did his knee 2 or 3 times and was a heavy smoker as a kid, didn't take training seriously. And we all know Dusty's issues.

The Dogs traded their captain & top pick for a 19 year old, paid him $1mil a year when less than 10 players in the comp earned that, and still had to run the table from 7th. Oh and they had father son players like Libba & Hunter...

The Blues never won a flag even though they drafted and developed 2x Coleman Medal winners and a 2x Brownlow Medalist who the umpires say just had the GOAT season.

I know we're on the same side man but the reality is that we are the Sacramento Kings/New Orleans Pelicans/Charlotte Hornets of this comp.

Small market, semi development/feeder team, making up the numbers with the way the system works ATM.

If the AFL is serious about developing an even comp then they would seriously look at mechanisms to fix this but they aren't serious so they won't.

As it is clubs like ours and North just have to pray that we nail 5-8 years of perfect drafting and development and then pray again that everyone stays healthy and then pray once more that every stays with the club to get back to finals.

Again, I'm all for changing the draft concessions. Have never said otherwise.

But if we are going to whinge about them, how about we acknowledge that our last tilt was on the back of those same flawed rules?

I'm not sure why you are putting up 3 years of drafts from other clubs but ignoring the good players they took? seems like a complete waste of time.

The dogs took Cooney & Ray, Griffin & Higgins in in 03 - 05,

Richmond had a shocking run but fixed things up with Riewoldt, Cotchin, Rance, Martin over a few years.

The dees took Silvia, McLean, Jones, Frawley…

Of course you can't expect to nail every draft & trade period, but 18 shit ones… we are still seeing the ramifications 20+ years later.

 

[botts]

Maybe let it play out boss. Where does this daily fretting get you? May not be bullshit after all.

I can’t I worry at the best of times if I forgot to lock the gate. The fact the best players we had had in a long time might walk out gives me nightmares. I lost it when coffeild left.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Just a reminder in the same weekend that NAS just did that, Bergman started the game by kicking it 60m backwards to Fogarty

 

[Diehard Saint]

If the afl is going to offer ambassadorial money. Surely the saints can put forward a case for him to get it.

Well they did it for Ben King to stay at the Suns.
But that’s the Nepo-babies I suppose…

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I can’t I worry at the best of times if I forgot to lock the gate. The fact the best players we had had in a long time might walk out gives me nightmares. I lost it when coffeild left.

I say this with sincerity, look after yourself if you’re that stressed. Take some time away from here.

 

[bwardi]

Wonder if Hodge still rates Bergman over Nas

 

[topbillings]

 

[gringo2011]

Yet another worn and redundant saying on here!

You do get a bit prickly cutie.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

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$1.6m + the $600k pay cut Hilly is about to take

 

[Dard Ball Get]

You do get a bit prickly cutie.

 

[gringo2011]

Since you started with Raph Clarke in 03, let's have a look at some of the misses these teams had in that time...

Carlton:
Jordan Russell (P9)
Adam Harlett (P25)
Paul Bower (20)

Collingwood:
Billy Morrison (P17)
Chris Egan (P10)
Sean Rusling (P23)
Danny Stanley (21)
Ryan Cook (23)

Hawthorn:
Harry Miller (25)
Tom Murphy (21)
Matt Little (25)
Beau Dowler (6)
Beau Muston (22)

Melbourne:
Matt Bate (13)

Richmond:
Alex Gilmour (P21)
Richard Tambling (4)
Danny Meyer (12)
Adam Pattison (16)
Dean Polo (20)
Jarrad Oakleigh-Nicholls (8)
Cleve Hughes (24)

Western Bulldogs:
Tom Williams (6)
Jesse Wells (22)

With the academy systems, father sons, and FA compensation coming in the first round usually blows out to 25ish picks.

I'm only THREE years in and look at how many top 25 picks these teams burned. Not just how many they burned but look at how many they had!

We only get 1, maybe 2, realistic chances at top talent these days.

Getting priority picks was a massive boost for the Hawks (Roughead & Ellis) and Pies (Thomas). Even the Tigers took theirs (Deledio) and traded him with that last roll of the dice effort in the 2016 off-season.

Given our poor development of a lot of our talented kids over the years we are really needing to nail every pick every year.

If the Lions/Suns/Swans/Giants miss on a top 10 prospect then who cares? They have 2-3 more coming in the next year or two anyway.

If Jagga Smith doesn't work for the Blues it's not a disaster, they have two first round father sons coming through.

If Nic Cox falls down for Essendon it sucks, but they got Kako last year and another kid this year for basically nothing, on top of their natural first round picks.

THAT is the issue with the system.

The clubs we are talking about, the "big clubs" with the historical success all built on the draft but they all had multiple bites of the cherry over multiple years with priority picks.

Except the Pies also got Father Sons. Cloke, Shaw, Moore, Daicos etc And IQ as a 1st round NGA kid.

The Dees (Gawn) and Tigers (Dusty) had to draft and develop GOAT level players to get to the top and both of them nearly failed.

Max Gawn did his knee 2 or 3 times and was a heavy smoker as a kid, didn't take training seriously. And we all know Dusty's issues.

The Dogs traded their captain & top pick for a 19 year old, paid him $1mil a year when less than 10 players in the comp earned that, and still had to run the table from 7th. Oh and they had father son players like Libba & Hunter...

The Blues never won a flag even though they drafted and developed 2x Coleman Medal winners and a 2x Brownlow Medalist who the umpires say just had the GOAT season.

I know we're on the same side man but the reality is that we are the Sacramento Kings/New Orleans Pelicans/Charlotte Hornets of this comp.

Small market, semi development/feeder team, making up the numbers with the way the system works ATM.

If the AFL is serious about developing an even comp then they would seriously look at mechanisms to fix this but they aren't serious so they won't.

As it is clubs like ours and North just have to pray that we nail 5-8 years of perfect drafting and development and then pray again that everyone stays healthy and then pray once more that every stays with the club to get back to finals.

There is nothing abnormal about blowing picks, most fail or don't hit absolute peak. What was unique is that we blew nearly every national draft pick in every draft from about 2002 until 2022. Three to five is a bit of bad luck, after that it's bad recruiting. To not get a pro recruiter in after noticing a pattern is a problem.

 

[gringo2011]

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You love the attention you little rascal.

 

[mighty_sainters]

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[Dard Ball Get]

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[mighty_sainters]

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How is this campaigner worth $100 million

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

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Feeling cute, might bag Stk l8r, idk. Rawr

 

[Dard Ball Get]

How is this campaigner worth $100 million

I love it, rare unit

 

[Murraj1966]

I look forward to another week of ever increasing stress

 

[StCicatriz]

I'd pay him 3m and accept a 12 month contract

He is the best player in the league right now

 

[_Maximus_12]

I’m going to post my opinion. Not what I believe to be true, but how I feel.

We need TDK, but we don’t need him to be the highest paid player at the club. That needs to be NAS.
He’s the players GOAT and TDK getting the offers he is, while the players player is getting offered less would definitely leave some unsettled IMO.

The opportunity for opposition players to play alongside Nas will draw players to our club for a decade.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I look forward to another week of ever increasing stress

Don't stress. I think it will work out.

 

[Bill Crouse]

Wonder if Hodge still rates Bergman over Nas

The only things I want that flogs opinion on are tips on driving while drunk, and how best to elbow someone's neck into a goal post.