List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[akaifu]

 If is the big part. But if Melbourne are into him then the likelihood is that we get 1 Ruck in but lose 2.
Is Boyd even contracted for next year?

Boyd's papers are stamped. We're not even playing him in the ruck at VFL level anymore

TDK arrives

If we offer Heath a contract then I highly doubt he leaves. I think Melbourne's interest would just be as a DFA free hit kind of deal one-year contract

If we lose Heath I think we hold Row

 

[Joffaboy]

So we could gain TDK
But then lose
Heath and Ro.

Anyone else see the potential issue there?

No considering Marshall is contracted until 2027.
If Heath gets an off we take that 2nd rounder and turn it into Aleer, and say to Roh, sorry bra but computer says no.

 

[Saint Shags]

Reality is very few teams have two first choice rucks, so the depth is about as good as you can hope for.

This is true. However you could argue that our depth is one of the most limit in the league. There would only be a few clubs that would struggle ruck wise worse than us if our number 1 went down.

 

[SainterinSydney]

No considering Marshall is contracted until 2027.
If Heath gets an off we take that 2nd rounder and turn it into Aleer, and say to Roh, sorry bra but computer says no.

If you are offered a second for Moose, you take it and run.

 

[stfan]

That’s the point though. This guy is massively overs for a good but not elite player. Surely we learned from Hill and others. We need to make ourselves a professional environment with momentum and then over paying doesn’t become necessary.

So where does the "momentum " come from?

The problem is to just improve by professionalism and just using the draft will probably never happen due to:

1/ Compromised nature of the draft as it stands.
2/ That Tassie coming just makes that even worse for many years
3/ Players more willingly swapping to "better" clubs undermines building via just the draft as we may keep losing young players, just as they are about to enter their best years.

And our situation is made worse at present as we lack players in their mid twenties who are good. We have a real hole there, which unless it is addressed could see us falling off a cliff if we lose a batch of our better older players. This is a huge problem for us.

"Improved professionalism" probably has helped us with potentially landing TDK in addition obviously to the money.


So we are rebuilding, and while Club does not admit this I think that they are really focussed on being "in the window" from 2028 on. Maybe 2027 if everything went well.

So current players who are not likely to still be good in 2028 on will need to be replaced by then. Which is why TDK is being hunted, as by 2028 Marshall will probably be past exerting a big influence in a game.

So current non-draft additions still need to be young enough to be at their best from 2028 on. Much of our better young talent should also be capable of playing really good consistent football by then.


Having said that if we lose Nasiah now that sets us backwards, and may maintain us being just a feeder club, rather than club genuinely building.

Keep him an land Aleer (no star but will improve our defense), and hopefully another player, then by the end of 2026 with King and Pou back we may well have a team that becomes more attractive to join.

 

[chris_h_11]

I think we probably aim to go into next season with only 3 ruckman on the list. We have 1 too many now, and TDK is coming.

TDK and Dodson are 2 of those.

What happens with the last spot is probably up to Roma.

If Roma stays, then Boyd and Moose are cut loose. TDK or Roma could both carry the load if either one goes down, meaning Boyd's spot is not required. Moose possibly gets a last minute reprieve, once trades and picks are done.

If he decides to leave, we keep Boyd as a mature backup in case of a long term injury, and Moose misses out. His role of "project big-man" goes to Dodson, who looks to have a higher ceiling and has probably shown more improvement in a year on the list than Moose has in 4 years. We play with a single ruckman, similar to now, until Dodson demands a spot.

As a side note, I don't consider Keeler in this equation, he's primarily a KPP who can chop out in the ruck.

 

[akaifu]

I think/hope we go into next year with TDK, Moose, Dodson, Keeler

Perfect balance of having that clear no1, the clear backup who's also happy to be a backup, the developing #1, then a utility type

Take the first for Row & maybe take a Ludowyke who should slide now and adds another tall to our forward half, putting less pressure on Keeler to make it as a forward and more opportunity for him to develop his ruck craft

 

[stavro#4]

Carlton’s final 6, has 3 winnable games.
Melbourne
Port @ marvel
Essendon

Melbourne final 6 have 3 winnable games
Carlton
Us
West coast

We have 4 winnable games
Melbourne
North
Richmond
Essendon.


One of the above 2 wins atleast 2 games. That’s a 12 point gap we need to cover. Minimum.


Best draft pick outcome would be:
Carlton beats Melbourne
Melbourne beats us (possible)


Then it comes down to a % swing

 

[phantom13]

I think we probably aim to go into next season with only 3 ruckman on the list. We have 1 too many now, and TDK is coming.

TDK and Dodson are 2 of those.

What happens with the last spot is probably up to Roma.

If Roma stays, then Boyd and Moose are cut loose. TDK or Roma could both carry the load if either one goes down, meaning Boyd's spot is not required. Moose possibly gets a last minute reprieve, once trades and picks are done.

If he decides to leave, we keep Boyd as a mature backup in case of a long term injury, and Moose misses out. His role of "project big-man" goes to Dodson, who looks to have a higher ceiling and has probably shown more improvement in a year on the list than Moose has in 4 years. We play with a single ruckman, similar to now, until Dodson demands a spot.

As a side note, I don't consider Keeler in this equation, he's primarily a KPP who can chop out in the ruck.

Probably worth noting that in a real pinch Keeler or Camma can also chop out in the ruck OR we can get someone in the MSD if its real ****ed.

If TDK, Moose, Dodson all go down next year then were probably ****ed and just fielding a team to not forfeit so playing some tall pleb from a state league wont make a difference.

 

[stavro#4]

This is why you don’t muck around with players once they agree to come (TDK)

 

[geelong sajnt]

Not a big fan of trading both of Marshall and steele. Our midfield is only just developing as a unit, can lose the strong bodies in there to protect the under 22s.
Happy with TDK in, Marshall for a first rounder. Swap that with our first with wce to get pick 2 plus a future 2nd. Use that for aleer.
Pick 2 and tdk for Marshall and our first. Look for elite over numbers now.

 

[Ads734]

I’m saying forget about the money because the argument will never be about what his actual output is - which is what I’m trying to discuss - the player we are actually getting and I dare say that might be a factor in why so many players have turned down the big offer.

For the record. Rowell at $2m is just as insane. Yes he fits a need. No he isn’t a damaging game changing player. He is a premium inside mid and we need mids who are super damaging with ball in hand

If you think that spending two mill on Rowell is the same as 1.7 mill on TDK then you don’t understand our list imo.

 

[stavro#4]

If you think that spending two mill on Rowell is the same as 1.7 mill on TDK then you don’t understand our list imo.

I understand the list just fine.

Getting a midfielder for the sake of a midfielder is a different issue if you think paying Rowell $2m is the way forward. Both would be big overpays - both should improve us.

Different discussion if it was Noah Anderson. Would be worth every cent.

Garcia did something on the weekend that the best sides get a few times a week.a goal from Front of stoppage exit. Rowell isn’t going to give you that regularly.

That was the point.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I see a lot of Oscar Clavarino in big Max , 5 years to get a game plays a couple and delisted , as much as it is a fairy tail for some i cant see him being with us next year , Byrne's in the same boat

Don't be negative. Byrnes will haunt you to your watery grave...

 

[The Punter]

There's a judgment to be made on whether Marshall is now in a permanent decline. He had a significant injury preseason and personally I'd like to see TDK and Marshall together like Heath and Marshall were together yesterday. Heath held his own in around the ground stoppage but was beaten in centre stoppage.

Boyd ain't staying. Dodson looks a long term keeper. TDK comes, at least one of Marshall and Heath stays, and we probably add another project ruckman.

 

[billings2paddy]

I understand the list just fine.

Getting a midfielder for the sake of a midfielder is a different issue if you think paying Rowell $2m is the way forward. Both would be big overpays - both should improve us.

Different discussion if it was Noah Anderson. Would be worth every cent.

Garcia did something on the weekend that the best sides get a few times a week.a goal from Front of stoppage exit. Rowell isn’t going to give you that regularly.

That was the point.

Dalrymple is a gun
The more picks he has the better we will be.
He has been finding talent in later picks for the best part of a decade
In: TDK + 1st round pick
Out: Marshall
Greeves,Marsh/Ludowyke/ Fincher
Plus trade a future 2nd for a second this year's draft to get mini pou would be ideal

 

[pebblesofsand]

Essendon took Gerryn 20 picks earlier.

Don’t tell me he was a better prospect than Dodson

Draft Central (Rookie Me) had Dodson at 15 to 30 and Gerryn at 30 to 50.

Thanks Essendon!!!

 

[The Punter]

Early days on 2023 draft and very early days on 2024 draft but it really looks like we nailed both.

2023: Wilson, Hastie, Collard, Garcia, Schoenmaker
2024: Travaglia, Tauru, Barrat, Dodson, Boxshall, Said

 

[gringo2011]

Essendon took Gerryn 20 picks earlier.

Don’t tell me he was a better prospect than Dodson

Ari Schoenmaker was a first round pick until he wasn't. Ivesic went to the rookie draft, Mraz was a first round pick 12 months before the draft, Moraes and Gross were first rounders that dropped back. I'm sure all clubs had reasons for not selecting them too. Not sure many kids go to the draft not sure about their commitment. Basketball would have got him before the draft.

 

[gringo2011]

Assuming Roma goes to say, Geelong. RoMa + a 3rd for their first, something like that.

That gives us a late 1st to play with.

We can keep it, hit the draft again. Maybe cross our fingers for Phillipou #2. Maybe grab

Other option is we trade it.

Does adding that pick to our first get us one of the Tigers/Bombers earlier picks? Would that pick get us Aleer is he nominated us? Do we maybe look to live trade it to a team that gets a bit silly ala North buying Richmond's picks?

If it was Roma out, Aleer in does that feel like enough? I'm not sure...

What are we missing, list wise?

Another talented KPF to pair with King would be great. Get Owens & Pou on ball more. Could Tauru shock the world as a high marking, pack busting, CHF option?

Wilkie not getting any younger and Doogs is a question mark. Our interest in Aleer probably means we're open to grabbing a KPD option that can slot in immediately.

And we say every year that you can never have enough mids.

I think I'd hold it until the draft. See if there's a crazy slide or a team gets frisky with future pick offers. Worst case grab Phillipou Junior (the kids can call him Pou Ju) and keep developing the kids.

Or Fincher rises and we throw the pick away for nothing.

 

[stfan]

So we could gain TDK
But then lose
Heath and Ro.

Anyone else see the potential issue there?

Yes, you putting Heath in the same bracket as TDK and Roma

 

[billings2paddy]

Or Fincher rises and we throw the pick away for nothing.

I think we are pretty safe

 

[botts]

Are we getting more worried about nas now?

 

[Yawkey way]

Would like to see him more than one good game lol. Our recent history is littered with players that come in on debut, play very impressive, and then never do it again.

He was ok without doing anything much, both got smashed by Grundy. Moose with the extra height wasn’t embarrassed, kicked a goal and tackled well.

It’s really about Boyd and our history of backup ruckman, we’ve had some who tried but were well short of afl standard. If you have a quick look back you’ll see what I mean if you’ve forgotten a couple. Moose is at least potentially up to standard and if not we have, Keeler and Dodson.

TDK with an improving group of three is surely enough ruck depth. I was so happy when against the odds Dodson fell into our laps, he’s the guy we need to lock away with a three year extension imo.

 

[gringo2011]

I just did the same essentially picking the favourites and have us 14th.

Carlton v Essendon, Us v Essendon and Carlton v Port seem the critical games in there.

Auto tip has us 14th over three tries. Essendon sitting below us. Carlton the same wins but above on percentage on two of them.