List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Yawkey way]

Gone

Still had a decent game with flashes of brilliance but didn’t looked quite the same player when Sydney made him accountable.

I’ll double down, I hope he stays but we have replacements in house on the list. We’re a better team with him but it’s not the end of the world should Nas choose to go home.

I’m not sure how port will get this done but if Nas is determined to leave it will get done.

 

[stavro#4]

Max Heath looked solid for a first gamer on Sunday.

People keep raving about Dodson.

Keeler could become a 2nd option to pinch-hit while the main ruck rests.

So why make TDK the highest paid player in the AFL when we have promising young rucks already?

We might have to trade Heath or Dodson for a 2nd round pick in 1 or 2 years time when they want out.

You'd think St Kilda would learn lessons from recent history, with McEvoy and Stanley playing 150+ games and winning a flag with their next club, and Hickey almost winning one.

We did the same thing 24 years ago when we brought across Gehrig & Hamill on huge money back then.

 

[phantom13]

Won't take a lot to change for Keeler and Sharman to struggle for a spot in the best 23.

TDK ruck

Howard, Wilkie and Aleer defence

King, Caminiti and Owens fwd

Not at all how i would have my 22 but fair enough.

 

[seesalswigs44]

Hypothetical trade don’t shit down my throat josh massoud style

St kilda
trade Nas Boxshall Collard
Receive Harley Reid and Joe Berry

Port
Receive Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Trade Joe Berry and Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

West Coast
trade Harley Reid
Receive Georgiades Boxshall and collard

Probably a few picks added in and west coast probably worse off but just tryna get my head around how we’ll get any sort of equal value for once nas leaves. Again be kind lol

 

[BrutThough]

Max Heath looked solid for a first gamer on Sunday.

People keep raving about Dodson.

Keeler could become a 2nd option to pinch-hit while the main ruck rests.

So why make TDK the highest paid player in the AFL when we have promising young rucks already?

We might have to trade Heath or Dodson for a 2nd round pick in 1 or 2 years time when they want out.

You'd think St Kilda would learn lessons from recent history, with McEvoy and Stanley playing 150+ games and winning a flag with their next club, and Hickey almost winning one.

Because TDK is x20 the player those 3 are (or currently are in Dodson's case since it's so raw).

 

[Elvis Winmar]

If I'm wrong (it's been known to happen), someone please correct me, but.....

Seeing some of our former 'stars' being dropped, or playing in the VFL, this week got me thinking.

I feel like the Saints are finally getting into the habit of letting players go at the right time.

How often have we seen the Saints get their timings horribly wrong, by letting players go too soon (McEvoy) or too late (too many examples to mention).

I know we're not perfect, but it feels like we're getting better at seeing the writing on the wall.

Especially as I'm pretty sure the 'worthless' Future 3rd round pick we got from Melbourne in the Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

trade, was then used on Hugh Boxshall (again - correct me if I'm wrong).

And if the choice is having a 29 year old Billings or 19 year old Boxshall on the list, I know which one I'm choosing.

 

[Xxxx66]

No because that position isnt playing ruck because TDK is.

As a forward Keeler looks much better and more natural and then chips in for 20% of ruck work (against a second ruck anyway).

Keeler is a better looking forward than Roma.

Cant see it. Roma miles infront. Apart from keeler running around without an opponent for a qtr, he hasnt done anything special. Yes he has tidy skills but just cant stand up in a marking contest. Worth peraervering with but a long way to go imho

 

[70s sainter]

I would hate to see Big Ro leave, but if we land TDK, I think it's the best option for him and the club.

I don't see him having the speed or agility to play forward at this stage of his career.

Beauty of getting a free agent . Go one up with the Marshall trade for a decent pick . Quality clubs get ahead like this .

 

[Diehard Saint]

This information is surprising and possibly a bit concerning. We've been trying to land a big fish for what seems like an eternity, yet we're the hardest (translation - the most painful) to deal with.

Well, 12/17 player agents did not say that.

 

[Train12]

Well, 12/17 player agents did not say that.

And you just don’t know how hard those 5 are to deal with either ? This Ben Williams bloke was prob one of the 5

 

[jwikked]

Interesting to see the HS survey of player agents. 5 out of the 17 surveyed said we were the hardest club to deal with. Next most was Port with 3. No wonder this Nas thing isn't getting done

Probably some player agents with bees in their bonnets over dealing with Gubby and SOS for their entire careers, and now they’ve combined forces at St Kilda

 

[Nutsngum]

Player agents are bigger campaigners then your average real estate agent. Thieves and liars.

 

[SaintWrld]

Cant see it. Roma miles infront. Apart from keeler running around without an opponent for a qtr, he hasnt done anything special. Yes he has tidy skills but just cant stand up in a marking contest. Worth peraervering with but a long way to go imho

Running around without an opponent? You mean All Australian premiership defender Steven May? The amount of disrespect Keeler receives from our own supporters is ridiculous. Remember the pass to Higgins against Collingwood on his opposite foot threaded between 5 pies defenders, no 200cm players can do that. Or kicking goals on the run from 60 metres. But he hasn’t done anything special? The likes of Max Heath is 2 years older and about 10kg heavier than Keeler. Once he puts on another 8kg and can win some one on ones he will be pretty special. Here’s the season averages of some of the comps youngest key forwards prior to the weekend-

Jed Walter 7.4 disposals 1.2 goals
Jye Amiss 7.6 disposals 1.1 goals
Isaac Keeler 6.8 disposals 0.9 goals
Ethan Read 6.6 disposals 0.9 goals
Matt Jefferson 4 disposals 0.4 goals
Max Gruzewski 3.7 disposals 0.7 goals

Prior to his 1 possession stinker his averages matched that of Walter and Amiss, two top 10 draft picks. I’m over the amount of hate this kid gets just because get gets bodied occasionally. Not many of the above forwards are drawing the likes of Barrass and Harris Andrews either. We’ve set him up to fail by making him be the main focal point when he should have been eased in to take the 2nd or 3rd defender, a luxury most young KPF’s get. And his 1 game as a defender drew far better stats than any of tauru’s games so far but literally went unnoticed. I find it bizarre how many supporters generally dislike and don’t rate this kid.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Seeing Cadman kick 6, Thilthorpe kick 6--my kingdom for a power forward!

God we miss that easy goal. Every goal we kick we have to bust a gut!

 

[phantom13]

Cant see it. Roma miles infront. Apart from keeler running around without an opponent for a qtr, he hasnt done anything special. Yes he has tidy skills but just cant stand up in a marking contest. Worth peraervering with but a long way to go imho

Kicked three in a game (Roma has done that twice in 150 games) and hell be second, third ir fourth defender at that point.

IMO he’s much more valuable to play with king and sharman (in the Membrey hybrid role) and chip in for 5 minutes in the ruck for the next 10 years than Roma will be for a season or two based on what him and Max can become as a pair.

 

[phantom13]

Running around without an opponent? You mean All Australian premiership defender Steven May? The amount of disrespect Keeler receives from our own supporters is ridiculous. Remember the pass to Higgins against Collingwood on his opposite foot threaded between 5 pies defenders, no 200cm players can do that. Or kicking goals on the run from 60 metres. But he hasn’t done anything special? The likes of Max Heath is 2 years older and about 10kg heavier than Keeler. Once he puts on another 8kg and can win some one on ones he will be pretty special. Here’s the season averages of some of the comps youngest key forwards prior to the weekend-

Jed Walter 7.4 disposals 1.2 goals
Jye Amiss 7.6 disposals 1.1 goals
Isaac Keeler 6.8 disposals 0.9 goals
Ethan Read 6.6 disposals 0.9 goals
Matt Jefferson 4 disposals 0.4 goals
Max Gruzewski 3.7 disposals 0.7 goals

Prior to his 1 possession stinker his averages matched that of Walter and Amiss, two top 10 draft picks. I’m over the amount of hate this kid gets just because get gets bodied occasionally. Not many of the above forwards are drawing the likes of Barrass and Harris Andrews either. We’ve set him up to fail by making him be the main focal point when he should have been eased in to take the 2nd or 3rd defender, a luxury most young KPF’s get. And his 1 game as a defender drew far better stats than any of tauru’s games so far but literally went unnoticed. I find it bizarre how many supporters generally dislike and don’t rate this kid.

I agree but it’s also the whole lineup thing. Roma is a ruckman, there’s nothing at all to suggest he can play as a key forward. Keeler is much more natural and dangerous as a forward with way more tricks.

Playing Roma as a forward chopping out in the ruck makes no sense to me personally.

Keeler though second fiddle to king and backing up TDK has me frothing.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Running around without an opponent? You mean All Australian premiership defender Steven May? The amount of disrespect Keeler receives from our own supporters is ridiculous. Remember the pass to Higgins against Collingwood on his opposite foot threaded between 5 pies defenders, no 200cm players can do that. Or kicking goals on the run from 60 metres. But he hasn’t done anything special? The likes of Max Heath is 2 years older and about 10kg heavier than Keeler. Once he puts on another 8kg and can win some one on ones he will be pretty special. Here’s the season averages of some of the comps youngest key forwards prior to the weekend-

Jed Walter 7.4 disposals 1.2 goals
Jye Amiss 7.6 disposals 1.1 goals
Isaac Keeler 6.8 disposals 0.9 goals
Ethan Read 6.6 disposals 0.9 goals
Matt Jefferson 4 disposals 0.4 goals
Max Gruzewski 3.7 disposals 0.7 goals

Prior to his 1 possession stinker his averages matched that of Walter and Amiss, two top 10 draft picks. I’m over the amount of hate this kid gets just because get gets bodied occasionally. Not many of the above forwards are drawing the likes of Barrass and Harris Andrews either. We’ve set him up to fail by making him be the main focal point when he should have been eased in to take the 2nd or 3rd defender, a luxury most young KPF’s get. And his 1 game as a defender drew far better stats than any of tauru’s games so far but literally went unnoticed. I find it bizarre how many supporters generally dislike and don’t rate this kid.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone not rate Keels. The general consensus seems to be he’s quite skilled but way too easily moved off the ball and needs more time and more size.
He’s had a bit of deserved criticism over his last couple of games as anyone playing firsts should be open to copping.
He’ll be fine.

 

[phantom13]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone not rate Keels. The general consensus seems to be he’s quite skilled but way too easily moved off the ball and needs more time and more size.
He’s had a bit of deserved criticism over his last couple of games as anyone playing firsts should be open to copping.
He’ll be fine.

The quote SaintWrld noted was a touch harsh (running around without an opponent, never done anything special).

He kicked 3 in his 6th game of footy and averages just under a goal a game.

Roma didnt kick 3 until his 7th season and averages half a goal a game.

I think the argument comes down to whether you wanna play two rucks (in which case, Roma is miles ahead no question) or whether you wanna play another key forward who can chop out in the ruck for a few minutes a quarter.

Unless youre genuinely advocating for Roma as a backup which again, i dont get at all.

If our key forwards are King and Keeler with Owens and Sharman then Collard and Higgo/Said/Henry at the fall not only is that extremely tough for defences but it also means we can build some chemistry for the long term with 2 genuine talls and a very smart hybrid tall in Sharman.

 

[St Neil]

Still had a decent game with flashes of brilliance but didn’t looked quite the same player when Sydney made him accountable.

I’ll double down, I hope he stays but we have replacements in house on the list. We’re a better team with him but it’s not the end of the world should Nas choose to go home.

I’m not sure how port will get this done but if Nas is determined to leave it will get done.

A deal with Port would have to involve players.

Bergman and someone else.

Personally, I have no doubt NWM is staying.

He’s probably deciding to sign very late in the season so that in 2 years time, if he hasn’t re-signed and intends to go home, he can point to the fact that he re-signed late in 2025 to temper media speculation.

Makes sense.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Running around without an opponent? You mean All Australian premiership defender Steven May? The amount of disrespect Keeler receives from our own supporters is ridiculous. Remember the pass to Higgins against Collingwood on his opposite foot threaded between 5 pies defenders, no 200cm players can do that. Or kicking goals on the run from 60 metres. But he hasn’t done anything special? The likes of Max Heath is 2 years older and about 10kg heavier than Keeler. Once he puts on another 8kg and can win some one on ones he will be pretty special. Here’s the season averages of some of the comps youngest key forwards prior to the weekend-

Jed Walter 7.4 disposals 1.2 goals
Jye Amiss 7.6 disposals 1.1 goals
Isaac Keeler 6.8 disposals 0.9 goals
Ethan Read 6.6 disposals 0.9 goals
Matt Jefferson 4 disposals 0.4 goals
Max Gruzewski 3.7 disposals 0.7 goals

Prior to his 1 possession stinker his averages matched that of Walter and Amiss, two top 10 draft picks. I’m over the amount of hate this kid gets just because get gets bodied occasionally. Not many of the above forwards are drawing the likes of Barrass and Harris Andrews either. We’ve set him up to fail by making him be the main focal point when he should have been eased in to take the 2nd or 3rd defender, a luxury most young KPF’s get. And his 1 game as a defender drew far better stats than any of tauru’s games so far but literally went unnoticed. I find it bizarre how many supporters generally dislike and don’t rate this kid.

Keeler "looks" like he might be a player but perhaps you should add Caminiti to that list for comparison purposes.

His played most of his first season playing as the only tall fwd and helped out in the ruck,.

A Caminiti 18 games - 8.4 disposals 1.1 goals.

I said it earlier - add Aleer and Howard into defence, Caminiti goes fwd alongside King and its a struggle to see a spot for Keeler

 

[SaintWrld]

Keeler "looks" like he might be a player but perhaps you should add Caminiti to that list for comparison purposes.

His played most of his first season playing as the only tall fwd and helped out in the ruck,.

A Caminiti 18 games - 8.4 disposals 1.1 goals.

I said it earlier - add Aleer and Howard into defence, Caminiti goes fwd alongside King and its a struggle to see a spot for Keeler

Then trade him to the crows or power for a 3rd rounder to use in the Aleer (who has shown less) deal considering he’s got no future here

 

[crasha301]

Amazing how many injuries the bombers have and yet Gresham still can't get a game in the ones lol very good list management letting him go

 

[phantom13]

Keeler "looks" like he might be a player but perhaps you should add Caminiti to that list for comparison purposes.

His played most of his first season playing as the only tall fwd and helped out in the ruck,.

A Caminiti 18 games - 8.4 disposals 1.1 goals.

I said it earlier - add Aleer and Howard into defence, Caminiti goes fwd alongside King and its a struggle to see a spot for Keeler

Again, rather persist with Camma down back, his showing this season was as good as Dougal’s was for the last few seasons anyway. Build some chemistry down back with Tauru and hopefully Barrat.

 

[phantom13]

A deal with Port would have to involve players.

Bergman and someone else.

Personally, I have no doubt NWM is staying.

He’s probably deciding to sign very late in the season so that in 2 years time, if he hasn’t re-signed and intends to go home, he can point to the fact that he re-signed late in 2025 to temper media speculation.

Makes sense.

Go suggest that on the main board Nas thread. Port supporters don’t seem to believe Bergman could POSSIBLY be traded (don’t actually, it’s one of the stupidest ****ing threads I’ve ever seen)

 

[Train12]

Go suggest that on the main board Nas thread. Port supporters don’t seem to believe Bergman could POSSIBLY be traded (don’t actually, it’s one of the stupidest ****ing threads I’ve ever seen)

They are brain dead..