List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If Butters as a pre agent is going to leave Port at the end of next season maybe they could maximise his value by this

Carlton - Lose Charlie Gain Zac Butters
Swans - Lose Logan McDonald& Pick 9 - Gain Charlie
Port - Gain Logan McDonald & Pick 9 - Lose Zac Butters

Close?

Works well enough for Carlton and Sydney, but Port lose a bit in that one imo.

First of all, that pick 9, it's actually going to be pick 11 or possibly 12 once compo picks are handed to WCE and us.

Logan is from WA so a flight risk for PA as well...

Also, Butters will cost us $2M+ / season for like 9 years because that's the kind of contract he'd be getting offered as a FA... not sure that's the right move for us, Walsh will not be happy when we offer him less than that to stay next year...

There was talk Swans are trying to get pick 2 from WCE...

 

[Wickzki]

If Charlie wants to go to Sydney then I can see GWS coming into the bidding and being better positioned than the Swans to do it.

Yes, they have Hogan. However, he is 31 in February and was only able to get himself on the park 3 times in the last 8 rounds of the season. The Giants also recognize Jesse as an intelligent forward who has had the smarts to position himself with other forward targets. I think they'd back themselves into getting the best out of both of them.

Just a sneaking suspicion. Haven't checked this thread all day so if someone's gone there, gmta.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

If Butters as a pre agent is going to leave Port at the end of next season maybe they could maximise his value by this

Carlton - Lose Charlie Gain Zac Butters
Swans - Lose Logan McDonald& Pick 9 - Gain Charlie
Port - Gain Logan McDonald & Pick 9 - Lose Zac Butters

Close?

Not at all...

 

[BlueTongue]

I'm gonna get booted from the board for saying this due to how blasphemous is it, however...

I think losing Charlie and adding Flanders makes us a better team.

No idea about the logistics on how we'd get that done and not suggesting we push Charlie out the door, but we've looked better with one key forward rather than two, and Flanders when played as a full time mid is actually crazy, finds the footy and is damaging with it, also kicks goals from the midfield which is something we haven't had for YEARS. He's an absolute gun and super, super underrated IMO.

This is certainly a lot more realistic than getting Butters.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

This is certainly a lot more realistic than getting Butters.

I'd say getting rid of Charlie would make acquiring Butters an a lot more realistic prospect.

I'm only put off by the contract he'd demand and the implications of that...

 

[BlueTongue]

I'd say getting rid of Charlie would make acquiring Butters an a lot more realistic prospect.

I'm only put off by the contract he'd demand and the implications of that...

That's kinda what I meant. That and what we'd have to give up in addition to Charlie.
Port will demand a lot because they'll be so many suitors ready.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

And we are getting worse over the off-season in comparison to most of the rest of the league who will be improving at a higher rate than us.
We appear unlikely to make finals next year and 10th-14th would be the most likely bracket I can see us in.
Usually look forward to the off-seasons you can usually see hope - not this time

Voss gone LoL
And yes its a weak list thats getting even weaker since 2024.....need to bring in depth trades
Like good stuff

 

[ctwenty1]

Choices choices

 

[tarczonandjane]

If Charlie wants to go to Sydney then I can see GWS coming into the bidding and being better positioned than the Swans to do it.

Yes, they have Hogan. However, he is 31 in February and was only able to get himself on the park 3 times in the last 8 rounds of the season. The Giants also recognize Jesse as an intelligent forward who has had the smarts to position himself with other forward targets. I think they'd back themselves into getting the best out of both of them.

Just a sneaking suspicion. Haven't checked this thread all day so if someone's gone there, gmta.

I can see Walshishegoat lining up about five small forward prospects as the return on this trade!

 

[Coona Blues]

That’s the problem. We will lose more than we gain.

As a lifetime regional/country dweller, I can tell you some days just clear fresh air is enough.

 

[sweethoney]

Port have the money to pay Butters. They’ll match a bid next year, so the trade offer would have to be compelling for them to trade him this year (like similarly compelling as what we would need to trade Curnow).

I read an article earlier on in the year, port said they have the money to match any offer for butters next year. Wonder if they would actually trade him this year if they could get picks to maybe land Sharp and Marsh

 

[sweethoney]

Very good player and seems like a great club person but age and fitness would be a big concern. Not a massive POD from our current midfielders either

And barracked for Carlton as a kid i think

 

[Gointocarlton]

Partly, but North offering an additional year on the contract compared to us got him over the line

Didn't the Prez (Brayshaw) get his missus a job at Fox to launch her media career?

 

[sweethoney]

If Charlie wants to go to Sydney then I can see GWS coming into the bidding and being better positioned than the Swans to do it.

Yes, they have Hogan. However, he is 31 in February and was only able to get himself on the park 3 times in the last 8 rounds of the season. The Giants also recognize Jesse as an intelligent forward who has had the smarts to position himself with other forward targets. I think they'd back themselves into getting the best out of both of them.

Just a sneaking suspicion. Haven't checked this thread all day so if someone's gone there, gmta.

Especially if hogan’s foot flares up and it could be career over

 

[BlueLocke]

I read an article earlier on in the year, port said they have the money to match any offer for butters next year. Wonder if they would actually trade him this year if they could get picks to maybe land Sharp and Marsh

Wonder if they’re contemplating saving some of that for NWM in 2 years.

Midfield of Rozee, Horn-Francis and NWM is pretty blood good even without Butters.

They need a KPD more than another midfielder.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Especially if hogan’s foot flares up and it could be career over

If GWS make a last minute play I would gladly take Gruzewski, Gothard and Oliver off their hands

 

[Coona Blues]

If GWS make a last minute play I would gladly take Gruzewski, Gothard and Oliver off their hands

Swingman, small/medium forward and an elite left footed rebounder, all of whom are good enough to play AFL level regularly, but no real vacancies in their positions at GWS. Most won’t know Oliver, but would be the jewel in the crown. Throw in their F2 for our F3 and we would probably be close.

FWIW I think every where other than GWS Gruzewski is groomed as a defender first. Would be great for ‘26 with HOF out and Dean’s rookie year.

I struggle to see how aA deal could be done with the Suns. Pretty sure picks and players could be negotiated through Swans. Any deal with the Cats would likely come up short.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Swingman, small/medium forward and an elite left footed rebounder, all of whom are good enough to play AFL level regularly, but no real vacancies in their positions at GWS. Most won’t know Oliver, but would be the jewel in the crown. Throw in their F2 for our F3 and we would probably be close.

FWIW I think every where other than GWS Gruzewski is groomed as a defender first. Would be great for ‘26 with HOF out and Dean’s rookie year.

I struggle to see how aA deal could be done with the Suns. Pretty sure picks and players could be negotiated through Swans. Any deal with the Cats would likely come up short.

There is not a chance on Gods green earth we're trading Charlie Curnow for Gruzewski + Gothard + Oliver and a 2nd/3rd rounder. Chuck in some first rounders and we might have a think about it.

We could get each of them for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

There is not a chance on Gods green earth we're trading Charlie Curnow for Gruzewski + Gothard + Oliver and a 2nd/3rd rounder. Chuck in some first rounders and we might have a think about it.

We could get each of them for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Sign me up for Gothard for a 2nd or 3rd rounder in that case

 

[Jimmae]

Zero interest in Charlie for pick 2 alone, wiggling to barely above zero if it leads to Duff-Tytler.

This isn't the draft for that trade, unless it gets Gold Coast involved and providing us 7 & 14 without us handing over pick 9 (TDK compensation).

 

[Coona Blues]

There is not a chance on Gods green earth we're trading Charlie Curnow for Gruzewski + Gothard + Oliver and a 2nd/3rd rounder. Chuck in some first rounders and we might have a think about it.

We could get each of them for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

You place way too much value on your perceived stars. It is all about nett outcomes.

Was replying to a hypothetical and suggested a slight pick upgrade would be a good addition. I would rather have three long term best 22 players with skill sets we would need with the rumoured changes.

Charlie is by description on this forum, less than perfect despite his obvious ability and ceiling. He has injury concerns and he his longevity is somewhere between 3-5 years.

The list of players put up would be likely over ten years each of shelf life.
A viable swingman capable of playing key position at either end. For mine, more defender. Definite need with SOS gone and HOF out for a year.
A quality small/medium forward. If my memory serves me MVP for the Allies who sits in a line behind some quality incumbent players at GWS and has other prospects also in the mix for any vacancy that comes up. He is a NSW boy so I would have thrown up other options, but he is quality.
Harry Oliver is an elite left foot kicking half back who is as tough as nails and ultra combative as well as athletic enough as a rebounder. Sitting behind Ash, Whitfield and co. for the foreseeable future along with highly rated Leake could be gettable. GWS have good depth and most of their players serve multi year apprenticeships in the twos.

We need to establish depth as well as upgrade in some areas.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You place way too much value on your perceived stars. It is all about nett outcomes.

Was replying to a hypothetical and suggested a slight pick upgrade would be a good addition. I would rather have three long term best 22 players with skill sets we would need with the rumoured changes.

Charlie is by description on this forum, less than perfect despite his obvious ability and ceiling. He has injury concerns and he his longevity is somewhere between 3-5 years.

The list of players put up would be likely over ten years each of shelf life.
A viable swingman capable of playing key position at either end. For mine, more defender. Definite need with SOS gone and HOF out for a year.
A quality small/medium forward. If my memory serves me MVP for the Allies who sits in a line behind some quality incumbent players at GWS and has other prospects also in the mix for any vacancy that comes up. He is a NSW boy so I would have thrown up other options, but he is quality.
Harry Oliver is an elite left foot kicking half back who is as tough as nails and ultra combative as well as athletic enough as a rebounder. Sitting behind Ash, Whitfield and co. for the foreseeable future along with highly rated Leake could be gettable. GWS have good depth and most of their players serve multi year apprenticeships in the twos.

We need to establish depth as well as upgrade in some areas.

Harry Oliver and Phoenix Gothard have played exactly 0 games of AFL level football.

Ur placing far too much value on what you perceive as upside rather than their actual values. A pick in the 30s would be enough to get either. Especially Oliver.

Curnow is a contracted 2x Coleman medallist and is rightly worth an absolute bucket load in a trade.

Those 3 may end up better for us collectively in the long term(as an avid watcher of GWS VFL team I'm a big fan of all 3) but their value is a mile off what we should be rightly asking in return for Curnow.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

I’d be interested in Flanders.
Has what we need.
Give him the midfield minutes he wants

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Yeah, a lot to play out still, but if we lose TDK and JSOS and only bring in Buku + Petch then GW is clearly laying the ground work for a rebuild...

 

[Cringle]

I’d be interested in Flanders.
Has what we need.
Give him the midfield minutes he wants

He’s a quality player without being anything too special.

Problem is he is just as slow as Hewett and Cerra.