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[Aphrodite]

 

[Pixelshooter]

If Curnow is adamant he doesn't want to play for us again, and we only receive low-ball offers from other clubs, I'd call his bluff and make him sit out of footy until the end of 2029 or until a realistic offer is made by another club.

I'm getting heartily sick of players signing front-ended long terms contracts and then wanting out with less than half the term served.

 

[branedotorg]

I get it and agree. I'm just looking at something that would make sense for each team selling this to their base.

Sydney could sell two first rounders and a Campbell type for Curnow easily despite his recent form.

Carlton could sell Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell with later pick wrangling in a pinch. The midfield would look exciting.

Can Port sell getting two first rounders at Pick 10 or later to their base for losing Butters? I think they'd want something for the now, thus an exciting young talent who has only given glimpses so far.

We could all end up happy and unhappy which is the best indicator of a good trade.

cripps, walsh, butters, lord, campbell, cerra, hewett, jagga adding in walker.

seems like the wrong area to strengthen, even though i applaud the logic

 

[Beer n Skittles]

You were going so well until you suggested a trade for a new messiah for a now gutted side. We are not getting our premiership window back, so forget about it. This club and it's supporters are so frustrating!

Butters is 25, it's hardly a hail mary to keep a non-existent premiership window open.

He's not a messiah he's just a very naughty boy
Race to $50k is on as ‘Butters Bill’ hits new heights

 

[carlton_99]

Sholl a good runner and can kick off the wing. Out of favour at the Crows but wouldn't mind this because can't see us getting much in terms of picks for Elijah.

Straight swap: Crows legend's proposed trade with Carlton

The Adelaide great has proposed a trade.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Navy Blues 73]

Just landed in Kazakhstan and see that we're from runners for Campbell Chesser? What a beautiful day indeed!

 

[The Bighouse]

Fair. The media have been reporting on Kemp, Haynes and Motlop. I guess they are looking at players with value, although Haynes is probably not getting chased by anybody else at his age. I'm glad Jesse has been made to wait. He hasn't elevated himself above some of the others waiting. I'd offer him a year only, unless we can get a second rounder for him.

I’d be looking at Motlop to PTA (family connection) and they’ve lost their small forward in Rioli.

Can be part of the Davies transfer.

 

[The Bighouse]

He wouldn't have been on anything like what the big 5 are on though. With the average salary being 500k now, losing guys on 700k and replacing them with younger players on 350-400k is where the cap gets freed up. It doesn't necessarily free up space to pick up other highly paid players though. Remember, we will have other players rise and put their hand up for that extra cap space.

$800K mark.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Personally I'd trade Charlie in a heartbeat. Didn't need to come out & say he doesn't want to be here, just needed to watch him play and it was obvious.

Move him on and reset the culture. See if we can bring in some bastard who hates to lose like Papley or Butters.

 

[The Bighouse]

If Curnow is adamant he doesn't want to play for us again, and we only receive low-ball offers from other clubs, I'd call his bluff and make him sit out of footy until the end of 2029 or until a realistic offer is made by another club.

I'm getting heartily sick of players signing front-ended long terms contracts and then wanting out with less than half the term served.

And not getting paid for breach of contract / failing to appear.

 

[CJMB]

Should we consider a cheeky low ball offer to North to bring back Zac Fisher

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Zac Fisher

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, reckon they would release him for a 4th round pick and would give us a bit of the run and carry off half back that we have been missing.

he provides no run or carry and the opposition go through him. zero interest whatsoever, even if we didn't have to trade any picks for him. he's probably on decent coin at north too.

 

[TrueQldBlue]

West coast pick 14 in 2021. Known 2 strengths are his speed and kicking. I don’t know much about his game outside of that

That's enough for me to like him already

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Not too concerned RE Curnow. We hold all the cards. We come out of it either with a tremendous bounty or him.

Sometimes I would rather the bounty...at least the bounty might tackle someone...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I have always thought we had to lose one of our top 5 to free up cap space and freshen the list. Our last two seasons of relying on natural improvement from within, while other teams spent to get better, have really highlighted this.

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

When I looked at the big 5, one aging midfielder and captain, one young gun midfielder who lacks polish at times, one dominant big defender who needs a reliable Michael Sexton type partner to cover for his lack of pace, one big marking forward whose mental demons can affect him on field and off, and one x factor tall forward with a big tank, who doesn't use it ... it was always going to come down to who had the most currency, coupled with how we could cover their loss, and whose attitude hurt us more. As much as people love Charlie, this has been borne out with his desire to leave and his apparent issues with Voss.

Voss has issues, and he may not last more than another year. However, the other guys are firm in their commitment and prepared to be professional, and at least 2 of them clearly back the coach.

Forget Charlie's insistence he will be at Carlton. Forget Voss' insistence that Charlie will be at Carlton. Any inkling of buckling to demands will devalue Curnow's worth. Curnow's manager is pushing this clearly.

Let's not go crazy about him being contacted and needing a godfather offer either. We are not getting Gulden, Blakey, Warner or Heeney. They don't want to come to us, end of story. 3 are tied to the region and 1 is going to WA eventually.

Curnow is not Jeremy Cameron. He is slightly damaged goods at the moment. 2 first rounders would get the job done.

Swans currently have Pick 10. We should take that and their first next year. Hell, throw in Braeden Campbell who I rate (if he wants to come ... these guys have the right to say yes or no).

We will then have Picks 9 and 10. The Silvagni compo is getting towards tier 1, but likely will end up end of first round. That pick will pay for Harry Dean.

If we take on Ken Hinkley as a senior version of whatever it was Aaron Greaves was doing, then offer 10 and Sydney's future first for Butters, would Port consider it with Butters coming into free agency? Would we have to take more pain and consider giving up a South Australian like Ashton Moir on top of that deal?

Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell in the net result, and it would have to be done as a 3 team trade so we didn't get stiffed on the second deal.

People won't like it as it is Charlie, but he is rising 29, while Butters is about to turn 25.

Side note: I've seen supporters complaining about losing TDK and Silvagni and looking to pick up Chesser and Petrucelle. Not necessarily on here, but on media posts on facebook and the like. Those latter players would be replacing Cincotta and Fantasia, not the free agents. We shouldn't need to make that clear, but for some we apparently do.

Need to let go of this fantasy of getting Butters as well...

He will take a godfather contract to lure over... $2M+ for like 9 years... So that free space from losing Charlie is immediately overfilled.

You don't chase one of the biggest fish in the game when you're not a finals side. Face it, we are years away from contending, the current crop took us as far as they could in 23 and now with decline setting in to most of them, we are not rising back up any time soon.

Also, no way Port Adelaide are taking pick #11 + Swans F1 + Moir for Butters. Pick 11 in a shit draft and with Charlie at the Swans the F1 could be 10+ as well. Moir just signed on this year too, the ramifications of putting a player who is happy with the club up for trade could be detrimental.

As for the Swans, they are going to have to pony up. The two most realistic outcomes imo are:

1. Trade Warner to WCE for either pick #2 or their F1
2. Trade pick #11 + McDonald for WCE pick #2

Pick #2 or WCE F1 + Swans F1 for Charlie would be a pretty good result for us. In fact, two F1 picks in addition to our own for next year's draft would be amazing.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

All in favour of changing our junior supporters club to Frankie's Crew, say aye...

 

[luke livingston seagull]

2 year extension for Kemp. Bloody good news.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

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Liked this kid in his draft class year, had some injury issues across his first few seasons, type of player we need tick…

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You were going so well until you suggested a trade for a new messiah for a now gutted side. We are not getting our premiership window back, so forget about it. This club and its supporters are so frustrating!

I apologise for not falling in line behind an opinion I didn't know about, and have not embraced as yet.

I don't consider Butters to be a messiah, just a quality addition and point of difference to our midfield.

By this logic, you must want to burn it all down and start again, but you're a draft guy, yes? You'd always be looking towards the draft.

Do you claim a 100% success rate with your opinions, because if not, surely we are all star gazing and are at different points in time.

I still think Cripps, Walsh, Weitering, Hewett, McKay and our young guys can bounce back if the coaching and development is right.

I'm not sure that losing TDK, JSOS and Charlie constitutes a gutting, if we got a key midfield piece back.

Certainly, this draft isn't the be all and end all.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

why would anyone want Petrucelle?

Apparently we are looking. Pace injection is my guess.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Need to let go of this fantasy of getting Butters as well...

He will take a godfather contract to lure over... $2M+ for like 9 years... So that free space from losing Charlie is immediately overfilled.

You don't chase one of the biggest fish in the game when you're not a finals side. Face it, we are years away from contending, the current crop took us as far as they could in 23 and now with decline setting in to most of them, we are not rising back up any time soon.

Also, no way Port Adelaide are taking pick #11 + Swans F1 + Moir for Butters. Pick 11 in a shit draft and with Charlie at the Swans the F1 could be 10+ as well. Moir just signed on this year too, the ramifications of putting a player who is happy with the club up for trade could be detrimental.

As for the Swans, they are going to have to pony up. The two most realistic outcomes imo are:

1. Trade Warner to WCE for either pick #2 or their F1
2. Trade pick #11 + McDonald for WCE pick #2

Pick #2 or WCE F1 + Swans F1 for Charlie would be a pretty good result for us. In fact, two F1 picks in addition to our own for next year's draft would be amazing.

That's an opinion alright. Reads fairly definitive. Butters is a free agent next year. What will the compo be?

It would be nice if posters weren't so rude and dismissive when reading posts they don't agree with. Silly season hasn't started yet, but it's going to be a long one if people don't start exercising some diplomacy.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Just been over on the Swans board reading how excited they are about getting Charlie but not keen on giving too much up. Amarteys name came up,surely they can't be serious.

I'd take Amartey as steak knives to at least retain some mature KPP stocks.

Pick 2, Campbell and Amartey for Curnow and if necessary some steak knives of our own - ie. chuck in Lij if they wanna have a dip at getting him right.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I believe he will need to nominate for the draft again. Once he gets through that, anyone can sign him.

Don't think so - pretty sure the rule is "once a DFA always a DFA when out of contract".

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

cripps, walsh, butters, lord, campbell, cerra, hewett, jagga adding in walker.

seems like the wrong area to strengthen, even though i applaud the logic

Some of those things are not like the others though. Cripps turning 31 - slow inside mid. Hewett turning 30 - slow inside mid. Lord - slow-average paced inside mid. Walsh - average paced balanced mid. Smith - average-quick developing skinny balanced mid. Cerra slow inside/outside mid. Walker - not here for 12 months, then won't impact before Cripps and Hewett have gone. Chesser - quick outside mid with no guarantees and only a speculated pick up. Butters - quick balanced mid with proven ability.

We have to break mids down to types as we know we need some of each.

If it's not Butters, then we still need the type. We have to stop forcing square pegs into round holes.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

That's an opinion alright. Reads fairly definitive. Butters is a free agent next year. What will the compo be?

It would be nice if posters weren't so rude and dismissive when reading posts they don't agree with. Silly season hasn't started yet, but it's going to be a long one if people don't start exercising some diplomacy.

That is the key isn't it. Next year Port could be in the same position we are losing TDK on a massive contract but still only getting 1 mid first round pick. We offer our compo for both JSOS and TDK plus E Hollands or McGovern and Port could be tempted given it is much more than they will get in 2026

 

[Stamos]

Don't think so - pretty sure the rule is "once a DFA always a DFA when out of contract".

Yeah, Free Agent For Life

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I have always thought we had to lose one of our top 5 to free up cap space and freshen the list. Our last two seasons of relying on natural improvement from within, while other teams spent to get better, have really highlighted this.

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

When I looked at the big 5, one aging midfielder and captain, one young gun midfielder who lacks polish at times, one dominant big defender who needs a reliable Michael Sexton type partner to cover for his lack of pace, one big marking forward whose mental demons can affect him on field and off, and one x factor tall forward with a big tank, who doesn't use it ... it was always going to come down to who had the most currency, coupled with how we could cover their loss, and whose attitude hurt us more. As much as people love Charlie, this has been borne out with his desire to leave and his apparent issues with Voss.

Voss has issues, and he may not last more than another year. However, the other guys are firm in their commitment and prepared to be professional, and at least 2 of them clearly back the coach.

Forget Charlie's insistence he will be at Carlton. Forget Voss' insistence that Charlie will be at Carlton. Any inkling of buckling to demands will devalue Curnow's worth. Curnow's manager is pushing this clearly.

Let's not go crazy about him being contacted and needing a godfather offer either. We are not getting Gulden, Blakey, Warner or Heeney. They don't want to come to us, end of story. 3 are tied to the region and 1 is going to WA eventually.

Curnow is not Jeremy Cameron. He is slightly damaged goods at the moment. 2 first rounders would get the job done.

Swans currently have Pick 10. We should take that and their first next year. Hell, throw in Braeden Campbell who I rate (if he wants to come ... these guys have the right to say yes or no).

We will then have Picks 9 and 10. The Silvagni compo is getting towards tier 1, but likely will end up end of first round. That pick will pay for Harry Dean.

If we take on Ken Hinkley as a senior version of whatever it was Aaron Greaves was doing, then offer 10 and Sydney's future first for Butters, would Port consider it with Butters coming into free agency? Would we have to take more pain and consider giving up a South Australian like Ashton Moir on top of that deal?

Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell in the net result, and it would have to be done as a 3 team trade so we didn't get stiffed on the second deal.

People won't like it as it is Charlie, but he is rising 29, while Butters is about to turn 25.

Side note: I've seen supporters complaining about losing TDK and Silvagni and looking to pick up Chesser and Petrucelle. Not necessarily on here, but on media posts on facebook and the like. Those latter players would be replacing Cincotta and Fantasia, not the free agents. We shouldn't need to make that clear, but for some we apparently do.

Agree with all of that bar giving up Ashton Moir.