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Reckon we reached peak performance in the week or 2 before we reached peak flakiness in 2024.
Nobody is trading for a slow small forward who struggles with set shots. Our best hope is persisting with him as a mid.
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Good to see a clear unequivocal approach going forward. The Dochertys who were starved of finals and success and on the wrong end of the career were motivated by selfish needs in wanting a top up approach that was very high risk and high reward.
With the lack of depth in the team and the injury history, if we went the top up approach then our salary cap problem would be an utter catastrophe and we would’ve squandered our draft hand. Tdk would still be leaving, and there’s no way we would’ve gone all the way given how far the gap was between us and the other finalists by the time of finals 2024. And then this year that gap was even bigger.
Those on the tail end of their career would’ve let their feelings known but the prospect of being picked up by another team with as good a salary as they’re receiving now was low. So they’ve stayed and stewed. Adding to a clear divide and factions.
In what world could a club achieve the ultimate success with such a cultural divide.
It’s good to see this $hit come out to give context. It’s cathartic for a fan.
Our issues are bigger than just the playing list. But building a list invested in the plan means everyone is playing selfless footy and playing for each other - the type of footy the pies players play and which has seen those turds constantly playing finals.
With the lack of depth in the team and the injury history, if we went the top up approach then our salary cap problem would be an utter catastrophe and we would’ve squandered our draft hand. Tdk would still be leaving, and there’s no way we would’ve gone all the way given how far the gap was between us and the other finalists by the time of finals 2024. And then this year that gap was even bigger.
Those on the tail end of their career would’ve let their feelings known but the prospect of being picked up by another team with as good a salary as they’re receiving now was low. So they’ve stayed and stewed. Adding to a clear divide and factions.
In what world could a club achieve the ultimate success with such a cultural divide.
It’s good to see this $hit come out to give context. It’s cathartic for a fan.
Our issues are bigger than just the playing list. But building a list invested in the plan means everyone is playing selfless footy and playing for each other - the type of footy the pies players play and which has seen those turds constantly playing finals.
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Some of the boys have been peakin all year.
This has been happening since 2020, within quarters, games, and seasons.
It reinforces so many of my beliefs on the playing group and playing leadership
There’s always suitors..
Hope we’d have a stack of mids to play before Mots was in the regular mix for selection as a mid. #5, 7, 9, 16, 18, 29, 36
Forwards also chosen in preference..ZW, FTT, EH(?)/replacement, Moir, Cotters, Kemp, F.Young, White, Durd’s (if he can find some footballing form)
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Clubs are likely forced to include in their contracts by the (PA).
The increase in cap then means **** all, if you are wanting to attract players or use it to keep players. It’s soaked up by your existing contracted players.
Any player payments for the growth of the game, should be between the AFL and the players. Not clubs salary cap.
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In terms of the players we are targeting, I can see what we are trying to do. Basically, there is no middle tier on the list in terms of either age or talent.
We either didn’t draft or develop properly - take your pick (Dow, SPS, Stocker, O’Brien, Philp)
We had surplus of particular player types (Kennedy, Carroll, Owies)
We had injury prone types who couldn’t get onto the field (Marchbank, Martin, Gov, Cuningham)
The result is no middle tier. In fact, that alone would have been the argument for sticking with two first round draft picks last year rather than trading up for Jagga.
Bringing in Khamis, Reidy, etc is obviously an attempt to remedy the gaping list chasm. It’s a tough shot to pull off. But as Wayne Gretzky said, he never made a shot he didn’t take.
As far as Docherty is concerned, if he thinks trading for Houston rather than drafting Jagga gets us to a premiership then good luck to him. But I would beg to differ.
We either didn’t draft or develop properly - take your pick (Dow, SPS, Stocker, O’Brien, Philp)
We had surplus of particular player types (Kennedy, Carroll, Owies)
We had injury prone types who couldn’t get onto the field (Marchbank, Martin, Gov, Cuningham)
The result is no middle tier. In fact, that alone would have been the argument for sticking with two first round draft picks last year rather than trading up for Jagga.
Bringing in Khamis, Reidy, etc is obviously an attempt to remedy the gaping list chasm. It’s a tough shot to pull off. But as Wayne Gretzky said, he never made a shot he didn’t take.
As far as Docherty is concerned, if he thinks trading for Houston rather than drafting Jagga gets us to a premiership then good luck to him. But I would beg to differ.
It actually been happening for 20 years. Don’t you remember Murphy saying the same thing AFTER losing to Gold Coast here when we just lost to the tigers in round 1? To get ahead of yourself after a loss is something else. Couldn’t believe my bloody ears.
Docherty knew the end of his career was near. He, and the others on the wrong end of their career, pushing for all chips in, would 100% be motivated by self interest rather than objective assessment of the list.
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Shows the lack of the killer instinct in the group they need to always be relentless and ruthless no matter the situation.
Martin and Williams were our 'big money' spends.... Not sure if the free agency market fell in our favour talent wise, but those 2 were a massive fail id say. (Hindsight I know)
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If Geelong make a play for Charlie, I hope we dont take M Holmes. I would rather S Neale.
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If they’re giving us Neale - we better be getting multiple first round draft picks too
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Any chance we let Charlie go to Swans, they send 2 first rounders to Port and we get Butters?
Which two first rounders?
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Up to the Swans to find 'em. That is the price for Charlie.
Makes a big difference to the answer on Butters. WCE #2 and F1 might get it done.
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Don't need Neale - desperate for Holmes and Dempsey.
If you were Port, would you trade Butters for two first rounders in a shallow draft?
million to one.
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I saw one media entity (I can’t remember which one) say the other day that Neale is worth more than Charlie
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If Port are confident they will lose Butters for free agent compo next year I think those odds would come waaaay in.
Also wouldn't 1 of first round picks be in next years draft - Swans only have 1 pick this year at this stage
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