List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I think we have enough talent to not warrant a rebuild, but change is necessary. We need a list that suits the modern game and that means not letting emotions get involved.

Let TDK go, take the pic to the draft.

Let Charlie and/or Walsh go if they're shopping themselves around, take the pics to the draft.

If JSOS wants to go, them give him our blessing. Offer him what he deserves but if he wants a new challenge, then we move on.

Delist players who simply aren't up to the standard we need. McGovern, Evans, Young, Fantasia etc.

Get in the ear of role players at other clubs but target the type of players we need, not more HBF that can run through the midfield or inside mids.

And mostly, invest in our youth. Spend money and resources to get the right people, program, and mentors in our development programs and focus on the blokes coming through - HOF, Cowan, Jagga, Campos.. teams like Hawthorn and Adelaide have quickly turned poor years into success by changing their play style, structures, smart trading, and playing youth.

Needs to be the right change not just pushing whoever out willy nilly.

If we want to play modern footy we need more players with good footskills, and not to let one of the few we currently have walk to Collingwood.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The

The time for sentimentality is over.
It's time to start winning football games

Sivagni - we can match a bid and keep him or force a trade. Alternatively we can let him walk because we don't want to be tied to these sorts of contracts anymore. Power is with us.

Frost or serong could be good replacements

No more conditional footballers.

Saad needs to go to the twos. He can become depth and cover for injuries. Play wison and charleson ahead of him. If we can trade him this year do it, unlikely though anyone would take him. So tell him there will be limited opportunities, may decide to retire.

Evans, McGovern, Lemmey, fantasia, cincotta, Monahan pack your bags.

Motlop trade. Maybe offer 1 year if no suitable offers.

Duffy 1 more year. 1st year was wiped out so 1 more year won't matter.

Sign Haynes, f young, white 1 year. Kemp 2 years.


Trade Walsh. He has value, and midfielder are more easily replaced than KPs. Walker coming helps too.


New gameplan, and some additions through the draft and trading for couple of solid B graders and things will improve rapidly.

Agree with these except SOS - if the squabbling is over $100k, just pay him overs, he has prob taken unders his entire career to date.
Saad - Would not get a game at half back in almost every other side, we need to move on from him.
Evans, Fantasia - Didn't work, they have had more than enough chances to make it at AFL level and haven't.
Motlop - Is just not very good, always looks like he will break open a game but has now played 60 AFL games and we have enough evidence to know he is not the guy.
You didnt mention Fogarty - but he needs to be a depth 2s player, should be nowhere near best 22.
Walsh _ would hate to give up on him, and we would be trading him whilst his value is lowest, if he leaves next year we will get a 1st round compo pick and its unlikely a trade this year will be much higher than that so better to just keep him and hope he comes good in 2026.

 

[DangerousD]

More than 20 games? 20 games is only a couple off a full season. And in how many of those seasons did he play a few games in the seconds?

I wonder who's decision it was to not play the son of the full back of the century in defence for the first 9 years of his career? And lo and behold, you finally play him there and he shines. So much so that another club comes sniffing for him.

A little bit of perspective.

Every player on our list should be offered contracts in line with their output, the only reason this is a story is because its a Silvagni and the name holds a lot of history.

Jack has looked really good down back this year and its crazy that he wasn’t given a role there previously, by three different coaches mind you.

The only perspective that is needed is, this is Jacks 10th season, he’s not a kid, he averages 12.8 games per season across those 10 seasons and in his best ever season, he was ranked 10th in our B&F, the deal we offer him should reflect this as this is his output.

 

[DangerousD]

No amount of changes in the coaching set up, fitness staff and luck at the upcoming trade/draft will make a difference to this side.

Our head coach must go or we are stuffed.

No players will be keen to join us in this state.

 

[Soapy V]

Apparently Nick Haynes

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Nick Haynes

Age

33

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

has been vocal lately about lack of structure and game style. We practice things so much less than they did at GWS

Be great to hear more of his opinion and differences

 

[bluesDeluxe]

Unrestricted isn't he?

Yep my bad. I'm still all for holding the line on what our offer is. Days of overpaying are over.

 

[yibbida]

Round One 2026

B: Wilson Silvagni O'Farrell
HB: Smith Weitering Newman
C: Walsh Cripps Cowan
HF: Williams McKay Elijah
F: Moir Curnow Motlop
Foll: O'Keefe BenC Lord
Int: Cowan Carroll Cerra Ollie Pick 7 Hewett Lucas

Add a few players like Campbell and a gun small forward

VFL?

 

[bluesDeluxe]

Eh, things might be bad, but this isn't like 2012-2015 bad when we were delusional and our list was in the gutter.

The vibes I get from this list is like 2020-2021. A lot of talented young guys supported by the older heads just need a revamp with the gamestyle.

I agree, it's not a full rebuild scenario, but it's more than tweaks.

A modern gameplan is the cornerstone, underpinned with smart drafting and trading for quality B grade role players.

It's so close yet so far. That's the frustration

 

[sweethoney]

I'm not overly impressed by a small or medium forward that has only tallied double digit goals 3 times in his career and averages only 12 disposals. At his best he isn't a mercurial goal scorer, high or damaging possession getter or great pressure applier.

He's fine as a depth forward, which is why he works with Brisbane who have many better options, but with us he'd disappear. Did great in a GF sure but his whole career is very mediocre, in his best season he only averages barely 1 goal a game.

Only double digits 3 times? I haven’t looked to closely at his stats but last year in the finals he kicked 2 against us 3 in the prelim and 4 in the granny. I found it hard to believe his never kicked double digits any other game even though he’s going at 1.2 goals a game this season

 

[BlueTongue]

I seriously believe Jack is waiting to see who new coach(s) are. I think he is just tired of the same crap and playing in an average side

Yep as is TDK I reckon (if he hasn't already signed). I think he's hanging out as long as possible to see what happens next before selling his soul.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Yep as is TDK I reckon (if he hasn't already signed). I think he's hanging out as long as possible to see what happens next before selling his soul.

TDK is 100% waiting to see who our next coach is. He wouldn't have called a meeting with Wright to see what was happening next year if he wasn't seriously considering staying. He wants to stay at Carlton, but he needs to see what the direction is going to be next year before he decides to take the big money offer.

I think this is the case for a lot of our players. Not just the ones we know of like TDK, JSOS. If the coach, line coaches, head of football etc. aren't changed, we will have a bit of an exodus. Opposition teams can sniff the carcass and are making moves while our players are disgruntled. It's clear as day the players are over the game plan, training regime (focusing on reviews more than skills) etc.. when it's a majority that are unhappy and a majority of players whose form has dropped off magically all at once then it says the issues are far greater than the players. The environment, coaches etc are a big problem. It's our kids showing ticker and fight now because they aren't the ones mentally and physically burnt out from years of a taxing game plan that gives us no wriggle room to get wins unless we get the game completely on our own terms.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Yep as is TDK I reckon (if he hasn't already signed). I think he's hanging out as long as possible to see what happens next before selling his soul.

IMO TDK is waiting for Geelong to get closer to the Saints offer. I believe he doesn’t really want to go to St Kilda.

 

[Gointocarlton]

IMO TDK is waiting for Geelong to get closer to the Saints offer. I believe he doesn’t really want to go to St Kilda.

Other than for an absolute bucket load of money, who would?

 

[jaggabagga]

IMO TDK is waiting for Geelong to get closer to the Saints offer. I believe he doesn’t really want to go to St Kilda.

If that we're to happen that would mean salary caps mean nothing now. I mean you'd have to try do what we helped do to Essendon and hire private investigators to look further into things.
There is a couple of sh # stain clubs who I believe have been getting away with murder for almost 2 decades. And their p.o.s supporters will still lambast us at every opportunity for being cheats while believing their dog clubs are pure as driven snow. I hate them so much it's unreal.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

For those not wanting a rebuild, we actually had better depth in 2015. The thing that was even worse was the structure and we had even fewer developing players. What's different now is that we peaked two years ago and are not on the bottom of the ladder. However, our list is hardly better than it was then, apart from a fraction more hope at the bottom age bracket.

With that said, do we really favour etching out a few extra wins short term at the expense of building more solidly around the kids coming through? I'm flabbergasted if that's the case.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

For those not wanting a rebuild, we actually had better depth in 2015. The thing that was even worse was the structure and we had even fewer developing players. What's different now is that we peaked two years ago and are not on the bottom of the ladder. However, our list is hardly better than it was then, apart from a fraction more hope at the bottom age bracket.

With that said, do we really favour etching out a few extra wins short term at the expense of building more solidly around the kids coming through? I'm flabbergasted if that's the case.

Hard disagree with this. We have far more quality on the list than in 2015.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

For those not wanting a rebuild, we actually had better depth in 2015. The thing that was even worse was the structure and we had even fewer developing players. What's different now is that we peaked two years ago and are not on the bottom of the ladder. However, our list is hardly better than it was then, apart from a fraction more hope at the bottom age bracket.

With that said, do we really favour etching out a few extra wins short term at the expense of building more solidly around the kids coming through? I'm flabbergasted if that's the case.

We’re lacking a Sam Kerridge

 

[agro]

Well I'm in for the long haul - another 10 year rebuild takes me to 73.

 

[agro]

If that we're to happen that would mean salary caps mean nothing now. I mean you'd have to try do what we helped do to Essendon and hire private investigators to look further into things.
There is a couple of sh # stain clubs who I believe have been getting away with murder for almost 2 decades. And their p.o.s supporters will still lambast us at every opportunity for being cheats while believing their dog clubs are pure as driven snow. I hate them so much it's unreal.

Sponsorships from Cotton On or friendly Land Deals at Armstrong’s Creek do not count - as they aren’t systemic or part of the central pillars that underpin the integrity of the TPP policy and fairness and equity in the AFL competition.

 

[Michael Jezz]

As much as it is exciting we have HOF and Dean coming through as defensive prospects, holding onto Jack is critical if we want to contend in 2026/2027 IMO.

He brings leadership and experience.

The young talent on our list (and coming through) is as exciting as it has been in a while, but we still need to find balance.

Something like this can contend in 2026 with the right coaching/culture in place:

Newman Weitering Cowan
HOF Silvagni Smith
OHollands Cripps Walsh
Trade? McKay Kemp
Williams Curnow Motlop
Pittonet? Cerra Hewett
Cottrell Trade? Haynes Moir Lord

Boyd, Carroll, White, Durdin, Acres, Dean, HOK, Fog, Wilson, Camporeales etc fighting for spots

I am hoping Elijah plays as that solves a huge hole in the HF/midfield rotation, but if not, we need to bring in experience from another club until Walker starts impacting games from 2027.

With Saad coming to the end we also need to find an elite small defensive stopper to play on Wizard, Cameron, Stengle etc. Boyd doesn’t have the leg speed IMO.

Let go of McGovern, Cincotta, and Fantasia.

Two new faces in the 22 who are good users + Newman, Jagga, Jack in full health and we should be good to give it a crack.

We are not playing finals in 2026 & doubtful in 2027. JSOS is nothing compared to the missing pieces in the midfield, wings, ruckman and small.fwds

 

[Gointocarlton]

We are not playing finals in 2026 & doubtful in 2027. JSOS is nothing compared to the missing pieces in the midfield, wings, ruckman and small.fwds

I have a best mate who I have known since primary school, our friendship and love for Carlton spans 54 years. We go to the football together and for close to a decade, he keeps reminding me of a premonition he had and that was that we would win our next flag in 2027. He constantly reminds me when we talk footy by simply saying "2027". So lock it in.

 

[Red_man2008]

Dyson Sharp and then Harry Dean would be an incredible draft hand.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Losing an experienced player who actually gaf like Jack will only work to put us back.

We have Williams, Binns, Fogarty, Durdin, Acres and Saad all contracted for next year... yikes... not sure, but I think Gov is as well... actually, Acres might be till 2027 lol

You'd have to be some optimist to see improvement coming from them.

Cerra has been terrible too. Well below what he showed 2 years ago...

With TDK out the door and whispers going around that Walsh, Harry and Charlie aren't happy... it will take some miracle to turn this around with this playing group...

We need to trade one of Harry or Charlie this year and we need to get a 2026 1st + an early 2025 1st or very decent player in return.

Bottom 3 is a very strong chance next year especially if Voss stays... a new coach will give them a sugar hit for a couple months.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I have a best mate who I have known since primary school, our friendship and love for Carlton spans 54 years. We go to the football together and for close to a decade, he keeps reminding me of a premonition he had and that was that we would win our next flag in 2027. He constantly reminds me when we talk footy by simply saying "2027". So lock it in.

May your friends premonition be true and may my prediction leave me with egg on my face

 

[Michael Jezz]

Really interested as to why we would.delist Cincotta?
I would delist 10 before him. He plays tough
Is it injury related?