List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yep, always interested in who'll potentially be pulling on the navy blue...you only tend to get excited if it a big name.

Unfortunately for us this year, the outgoings have totally taken over the narrative.

So the latest according to the media is:

Campbell Chesser
Buku Khamis
Ned Reeves
Liam Reidy
Malcolm Rosas
Sam Flanders
Jack Petruccelli (DFA)

Am I missing anyone?

I'm not enamoured with Khamis for us as a forward or back due to his being undersized. We love getting third talls to play as second talls.

Chesser is quick enough and his disposal looks decent. Just hasn't shown a heap yet.

Petruccelle is lightning fast as we all know, and he positions himself well to run on to the spillages up forward. Burns the ball when he is too far up the ground though. You don't want him delivering it inside 50 too often.

I have no thoughts on the rucks, not inspired by Rosas and unsure where Flanders fits, but he is prolific. Asking price might be too high.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Would a hypothetical trade like this work.

Charlie to suns for:

Walter/Flanders and their first round pick?

Walter is a local boy so I doubt he'd want to move given the choice.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Yep, always interested in who'll potentially be pulling on the navy blue...you only tend to get excited if it a big name.

Unfortunately for us this year, the outgoings have totally taken over the narrative.

So the latest according to the media is:

Campbell Chesser
Buku Khamis
Ned Reeves
Liam Reidy
Malcolm Rosas
Sam Flanders
Jack Petruccelli (DFA)

Am I missing anyone?

The first three make sense on some levels. Chesser more a shy at the stumps, the other two on positional needs.

Flanders? Sure if the cost is palatable.

No interest in the others.

Jacob Blight has popped up. Not sure if a valid link or the board just manifested it.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Yep, always interested in who'll potentially be pulling on the navy blue...you only tend to get excited if it a big name.

Unfortunately for us this year, the outgoings have totally taken over the narrative.

So the latest according to the media is:

Campbell Chesser
Buku Khamis
Ned Reeves
Liam Reidy
Malcolm Rosas
Sam Flanders
Jack Petruccelli (DFA)

Am I missing anyone?

Don't need a big name to get excited just a player that will make us better not another plodder or a list clogger got enough of them

 

[Les Grossman playaaaa]

Just spitballing here………..and I know he’d come with a hefty price tag………..but if we genuinely wanted Butters …………..we could do the below

TDK compo - Rnd 1 pick
JSOS compo - Round 1 or end of round 1 pick
as welll as,
2026 first round pick.

Yes, I know, 3 x first round picks to PTA, however, for Butters and their this year’s 2nd round pick (to assist for Dean).

Insane I know because we’re handing over 3 first round picks for a guy that’ll smash our salary cap, and also, will he genuinely make us better? Plus the fact that we need a first rounder next year for Cody.

Now to next year's draft, keep Charlie for next season (2026), hoping he has a standout year and fingers crossed he doesn’t do a knee/ankle.
Then trade him at the end of the year for the best deal we can score that will allow us to get Cody, as well as other players of need/draft picks.

That means we end up with Butters, Cody (next year), Dean, ISON and potentially other players or draft selections, but lose Charlie (next year) and maybe peripheral players (don’t ask me who because that’s another whole conversation) due to salary cap squeeze. Add to that Jagga from next year onwards, and I reckon we have a pretty decent squad.

As I said at the beginning……….just spitballing.

 

[Doro]

Charlie's been ground down from several years as the focal point of our bash and crash method. We either change the way we use him or let him seek another club.

 

[2blue4u]

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

I was thinking the same that Jed Walter would have to be part of the trade as I think he will be a star

Walter would be the unlikeliest of any name mentioned in any trade scenario yet.

 

[carlton_99]

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With respect Joel this is a mutual feeling

 

[SurreyBlue]

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Thank goodness Amartey said no.
I was terrified he might want to come.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Just landed in Kazakhstan and see that we're from runners for Campbell Chesser? What a beautiful day indeed!

 

[Blue By Blood]

I'm not enamoured with Khamis for us as a forward or back due to his being undersized. We love getting third talls to play as second talls.

Chesser is quick enough and his disposal looks decent. Just hasn't shown a heap yet.

Petruccelle is lightning fast as we all know, and he positions himself well to run on to the spillages up forward. Burns the ball when he is too far up the ground though. You don't want him delivering it inside 50 too often.

I have no thoughts on the rucks, not inspired by Rosas and unsure where Flanders fits, but he is prolific. Asking price might be too high.

Pretty accurate summation.
Khamis- definitely undersized if he has to play as a 2nd tall. He has a good vertical leap though so would be decent if we allow him to play as a third tall. Low cost, decent upside.

Petruccelle- we should stay well clear. Outside of having pace he has nothing special about his game. Struggles to find the footy, injury history that has impacted his confidence in hitting top speed, burns the ball a bit. List spots should be treated as a premium.

Chesser- will come low cost and we need a winger with a bit of toe and decent disposal. Our wings are a huge weakness. Acres works super hard but burns the ball. The other wing is not set. Sometimes it's O. Hollands who also burns the ball. It's such an important position now with how fast the game moves and the need for good connection off HB and into the forward 50. A guy like Chesser would add a fair bit to our team.

Reeves- would be a good get as he's probably the best or 2nd best ruck not getting regular games (also like Moyle). Will win more hitouts than TDK and let's be real, TDK doesn't take many marks around the ground anyway. He's 210cm and a monster so should give our mids first look.

Rosas- has zip and plays like a genuine small forward. This is something none of our other small forwards have. Once again low cost pick up.

Flanders- he's a talent. Finds the ball at will but really has zero hurt factor. He's also not big bodied or quick. If you play a small mid you really want them to have some toe because around stoppage it's easier to tag a small mid but also they get bumped off the ball easier. Also harder for small mids to get the hands high and free when tackled to release. Not sure where he fits at Carlton. High trade cost too.

What people need to realise is we don't have a heap of trade capital to go after a big gun. The compo picks for TDK and JSOS give us a bit but I suspect we try to package them and move higher up the draft order to get another high end talent in along with Dean and Ison.

Guys like Reeves, Chesser, Khamis, Rosas are smart, low cost targets albeit not 'sexy' pick ups. They add a bit to our team. Khamis and Reeves to replace what we lose and Rosas and Chesser to improve the best 22 for the modern game. I'm sure we will be linked to more players yet but I like the idea of improving and adjusting the lower end of our best 22 with some speed and foot skills through the wing and small forward.

 

[DangerousD]

You can't save what you never spent. We are saving what he was on. We don't know how we were intending to shape the list to pay TDK. Perhaps we were going to not re-sign someone we are now re-signing? Perhaps somebody was going to take a salary shave for an extra year. That money set aside can't count against what we might have done, as now we have to replace TDK as well. If we found 400k extra to pay him next year, we might now be paying that to Ned Reeves or Liam Reidy to replace him, instead of a rookie ruck.

Pretty much got called an idiot for stating the exact same thing regarding TDK by a poster who cries foul and nicks off when called out

 

[SurreyBlue]

Whatever we do, IMO, we need to draft Flynn Riley. The kid has it.

 

[passmark]

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Amartey is awful.

 

[The Bighouse]

Whatever we do, IMO, we need to draft Flynn Riley. The kid has it.

Can he leap off the ground to ruck?

 

[txbyhull]

Purely out of curiosity what does this board think they can get Chesser for?

 

[The Bighouse]

Purely out of curiosity what does this board think they can get Chesser for?

Blake Acres…

 

[Blue By Blood]

Purely out of curiosity what does this board think they can get Chesser for?

He has upside but he's been injured, he's out of contract, and even your own supporters say he was close to being delisted only months ago. It's one of those trades that gets done for a late pick.

 

[ctwenty1]

Needs a footballing injection

“Did someone say injection?”

 

[txbyhull]

He has upside but he's been injured, he's out of contract, and even your own supporters say he was close to being delisted only months ago. It's one of those trades that gets done for a late pick.

Interesting. Tbf months ago he had looked like he wouldn't be able to get back on the field before his contract expired. Personally wouldn't want to be seeing him leave for any less than a second rounder especially given we've got 2 years in front of him, but I am nervous about how it goes. Would've said Bris 2nd rounder or JSOS comp if it was band 3 or 4 but it's looking increasingly likely to be band 2 (maybe even 1???)

 

[SurreyBlue]

Interesting. Tbf months ago he had looked like he wouldn't be able to get back on the field before his contract expired. Personally wouldn't want to be seeing him leave for any less than a second rounder especially given we've got 2 years in front of him, but I am nervous about how it goes. Would've said Bris 2nd rounder or JSOS comp if it was band 3 or 4 but it's looking increasingly likely to be band 2 (maybe even 1???)

The guy has huge questions mark re: body. If any team understands the downfalls of trading injured players in, it’s us. I would assume we have learnt something over the years, and offer nothing less than a 4th rounder and that’s only if we think his over his current injuries. Sorry

 

[Blue By Blood]

Interesting. Tbf months ago he had looked like he wouldn't be able to get back on the field before his contract expired. Personally wouldn't want to be seeing him leave for any less than a second rounder especially given we've got 2 years in front of him, but I am nervous about how it goes. Would've said Bris 2nd rounder or JSOS comp if it was band 3 or 4 but it's looking increasingly likely to be band 2 (maybe even 1???)

Yeah honestly I'm not trying to stir.. I just think when you weigh all the factors up with the injury history and such, it's probably a situation where it's a late pick. Historically the injury prone players get traded for less. If he didn't show a bit in the last month of the season I'm not sure either you or us would be offering a deal. Won't be a 2nd rounder I wouldn't have thought. I'll admit I'm not completely across all our picks but I'd be thinking 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

[txbyhull]

The guy has huge questions mark re: body. If any team understands the downfalls of trading injured players in, it’s us. I would assume we have learnt something over the years, and offer nothing less than a 4th rounder and that’s only if we think his over his current injuries. Sorry

Yeah honestly I'm not trying to stir.. I just think when you weigh all the factors up with the injury history and such, it's probably a situation where it's a late pick. Historically the injury prone players get traded for less. If he didn't show a bit in the last month of the season I'm not sure either you or us would be offering a deal. Won't be a 2nd rounder I wouldn't have thought. I'll admit I'm not completely across all our picks but I'd be thinking 3rd rounder.

Definitely not wrong, he has only played 36 games in 4 seasons. I personally think he is going to stick around out west either way, but both yourselves and our own board are rightfully weary re: body. The prevailing sentiment is that he's turned the corner but thats being very VERY hopeful imo. Think he showed fantastic stuff in the last month though, and being a former frp I think depending on the contract offers from both clubs we wont let him leave for a 4th. Not necessarily value for Carlton I wouldn't believe if they gave up more than that, but there's no real incentive either for us to trade him for cheap considering we already put the work in you know?

Not sure tbh. One of the weirder situations of the off season given like you said he was in delist territory 8 weeks ago

 

[Crippa#9]

Charlie needs to speak with his brother to gain some perspective. Ed fought hard for his career, because he knew his position in the team was never guaranteed. Charlie is blessed with natural ability and athleticism that Ed never had.

Charlie can be the barometer for us I remember the game away against GC where he single handedly got us over the line. Where has that Charlie gone?no wonder he’s coped some criticism and coach wants more, so do we. He is a leader of this team at the first sign things get a bit tough he’s wanting out put your big boy pants on and show some resilience. Wouldn’t be a person on here that hasn’t dealt with some adversity in their lives at some point.

If that’s not possible we move on because I’m not interested in watching a player not fully invested in making team better. Carlton supporters want success and we are sick of waiting for it.

Well said MarkyD.

Right now, and seemingly for the majority of the 2025 season, all Charlie is thinking about is himself.

I expect him to stay next year however I don’t think he’ll see out his contract with us.

Suspect he’s at Geelong in 2 or 3 years time.