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[Aphrodite]

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Ah Chee is from WA and is moving to SA for a bigger paycheck at another contender.

We were apparently one of the teams interested in him before he nominated Adelaide so I see no reason we wouldn't at least look at taking him for free in the PSD.

Been a number of players over the years who have ended up at clubs they didn't want to be and ended up having good careers there. If we could turn his head he'd be a fantastic addition to our team for 3-4 years.

Wrong. He wanted to go to Adelaide for family reasons... do your research.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Wrong. He wanted to go to Adelaide for family reasons... do your research.

Yeah... Totally... The player who's said he's only willing to go to Adelaide and not even considered Port Adelaide is moving because he needs to get there for 'family reasons'. Nothing to do with the $$$ and playing for another contender...

 

[norway blue]

Protest the Hens

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Yeah... Totally... The player who's said he's only willing to go to Adelaide and not even considered Port Adelaide is moving because he needs to get there for 'family reasons'. Nothing to do with the $$$ and playing for another contender...

Nothing to do with money? Where did I say that...

Oh that's right, I didn't... just put words in posts... internet doesn't work that way mate.

Every player wants a bigger paycheck... but he could have got that from a lot of clubs...

He wanted to go to SA for family reasons... his parents and brother moved there... He chose Adelaide because he was a big Crows supporter...

 

[sweethoney]

Ah Chee is from WA and is moving to SA for a bigger paycheck at another contender.

We were apparently one of the teams interested in him before he nominated Adelaide so I see no reason we wouldn't at least look at taking him for free in the PSD.

Been a number of players over the years who have ended up at clubs they didn't want to be and ended up having good careers there. If we could turn his head he'd be a fantastic addition to our team for 3-4 years.

I still remember when we stole Nick Stevens from Collingwood in the psd

 

[JJBagger]

I enjoy White’s endeavour and energy, but he doesn’t have any skill or attribute good enough to play a specific role in a team at the moment. Fog at least is great defensively, so can play as a pressure forward. Plus he has runs on the board from 2023 and 24

 

[The Bighouse]

OK - so assuming our 19 year old who has done his ACL late last season gets put on the inactive list (not a wild assumption) - WW gets that spot.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're saying to Will White behind the scenes. Don't worry you've got that SSP spot if/when it becomes available.

I really like Will. Such a smart player.

Can’t see HOF being put onto the Inactive List unless there are complications with his rehab, though personally would do so (if he could play VFL only).

He’ll be 3 months-in shortly from the injury, however the other milestones in Feb & May will be more telling on his progress and our inclination to sub him out (round 21 = 12 months).

Think we’d be more open to a KPP, as we’re off in that dept.
JSOS, CC, Lemmey, HOF out/unavailable with a young H.Dean the only in + pseudo KPP option Kemp potentially in cotton wool. Pretty grim.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Nothing to do with money? Where did I say that...

Oh that's right, I didn't... just put words in posts... internet doesn't work that way mate.

Every player wants a bigger paycheck... but he could have got that from a lot of clubs...

He wanted to go to SA for family reasons... his parents and brother moved there... He chose Adelaide because he was a big Crows supporter...

I didn't say that you did. You've just gone ahead and assumed that.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I still remember when we stole Nick Stevens from Collingwood in the psd

Spot on. Been many cases of players over the years having their minds set on one place and ending up at another. Doesn't mean they'll kick up a huge stink about it.

 

[bradfisher14]

I think he’s lucky based on performance, however to insinuate he’s detrimental to the club culture is drawing a long bow.
He might be fantastic around the club, only they would know.
Hence the new deal.

I should've been more specific, but I'll explain further. When I talk about culture, it's always about the way the team performs on field and never about whether they're a "good bloke". I would argue that rewarding McGovern, a senior player who picks and chooses when to put his body on the line, with another contract is detrimental to club culture as it relates to on-field performance. It sends the wrong message to the rest of our playing list.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Outs
Docherty
Lemmey
Cincotta (R)
Fantasia
TDK
JSOS
Durdin
Curnow
Binns
E Hollands
White (R)

9 Senior list and 2 Rookie list
We have additional SSP Evans and MSR Flynn.

Ins
Chesser
Reidy
Ainsworth
Florent
Hayward

5 Senior list

Upto 4 draft picks, or 3 plus a DFA, and so on

 

[sweethoney]

Spot on. Been many cases of players over the years having their minds set on one place and ending up at another. Doesn't mean they'll kick up a huge stink about it.

At worse he puts a massive contract on his head that only Adelaide want to touch and it leaves them less money for Bailey next year

 

[marcmurphy3]

Getting a pick in between Dean and Ison is problematic. Makes it impossible to maximise the bidding system. Having our first pick swallowed and our 2nd slide back towards the end of the 1st round is worst possible result.

A lot of people seem not to mind this but I think that is just wanting the sugar hit now.

Trading ahead of a bid or out makes much more sense.

 

[RPCB]

Wild that we live in a world where Harry Dean being Pick 1 worthy is a bad thing.

We will still get him. Plus Ison. Can’t bloody wait.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Can’t see HOF being put onto the Inactive List unless there are complications with his rehab, though personally would do so (if he could play VFL only).

He’ll be 3 months-in shortly from the injury, however the other milestones in Feb & May will be more telling on his progress and our inclination to sub him out (round 21 = 12 months).

Think we’d be more open to a KPP, as we’re off in that dept.
JSOS, CC, Lemmey, HOF out/unavailable with a young H.Dean the only in + pseudo KPP option Kemp potentially in cotton wool. Pretty grim.

So at best he'll come back R21 for a few VFL games? I can't see the point. Get him ready for preseason for a big 2027.

 

[JJBagger]

So at best he'll come back R21 for a few VFL games? I can't see the point. Get him ready for preseason for a big 2027.

He’s ready when he’s ready. Those last few games at the end of 2021 helped Charlie before his back-to-back Coleman winning seasons

 

[BlueTongue]

I enjoy White’s endeavour and energy, but he doesn’t have any skill or attribute good enough to play a specific role in a team at the moment. Fog at least is great defensively, so can play as a pressure forward. Plus he has runs on the board from 2023 and 24

Even on his limited games, White has shown more at the AFL level than Fog, has probably even kicked more Goals in his first year than Fog in his last 3. Fog's 1 wood is tackling. That's about it.

 

[CJMB]

Do they drug test when players are out injured for over 12 months?

Yes. Sometimes significantly more often, for the exact reason you asked that question…

 

[JJBagger]

Even on his limited games, White has shown more at the AFL level than Fog, has probably even kicked more Goals in his first year than Fog in his last 3. Fog's 1 wood is tackling. That's about it.

That is absurd. Fog’s best absolutely is better than anything White has shown at the level. I just emphasised that Fog can at least play as a defensive forward - then you bring up how White is better because he kicks more. You completely missed my point

 

[CJMB]

That is absurd. Fog’s best absolutely is better than anything White has shown at the level. I just emphasised that Fog can at least play as a defensive forward - then you bring up how White is better because he kicks more. You completely missed my point

There’s a secondary discussion here too, around the role of the defensive small fwd in the current game.

To me, it seems like the Richmond-era days of purely pressure focused defensive small forwards is gone, at least for now.

The ‘new crop’ tend to be attacking players with a bit of a defensive edge (as opposed to the Menzel school of all attack and nothing at all the other way). They’re applying pressure and making tackles, perhaps not to the same level as those 5-7 years earlier, but critically the focus is still truly on scoring or assisting scoring.

I think Fog is probably our least threatening forward.

 

[JJBagger]

There’s a secondary discussion here too, around the role of the defensive small fwd in the current game.

To me, it seems like the Richmond-era days of purely pressure focused defensive small forwards is gone, at least for now.

The ‘new crop’ tend to be attacking players with a bit of a defensive edge (as opposed to the Menzel school of all attack and nothing at all the other way). They’re applying pressure and making tackles, perhaps not to the same level as those 5-7 years earlier, but critically the focus is still truly on scoring or assisting scoring.

I think Fog is probably our least threatening forward.

Hes probably our last threatening forward from a goal scoring point of view - although he was top 5 in the league for goal assists per game late in the season in 2024.

Another lens to look at it through is what they’ve done to this point. Fog has played a key role in the best version of this team, and was essential in getting us to a prelim final in 23. We also won like 14 games in a row when he was in the side over that period. Currently, White has played okay cameo roles in losing sides.

I will never slander white for his effort or energy, but I do question things like cleanliness, his ability to tackle, his kicking, etc

 

[Blue and Silver]

Thought it might be a good idea to do the old depth chart

Going to make a few provisions with definitions. Will use the AFL websites categorizations, but will be shifting players where it makes sense ie : Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

is a key defender but I will assign him as a key forward because of obvious depth issues.

Gen Forward:

Will Hayward

9

Will Hayward

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

9.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

Ben Ainsworth

9

Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.6

3star

Francis Evans
Jesse Motlop
Ashton Moir
Lachie Fogarty
Rob Monahan

Key Forward

Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

Brodie Kemp

Mid-Fwd:

Zac Williams
Matthew Cottrell
Flynn Young

Midfielder

Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

Adam Cerra
Cooper Lord
Jagga Smith
Ben Camporeale

Wing:

Oliver Florent

13

Oliver Florent

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

350.0

5star

D

18.3

4star

K

11.7

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

350.0

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

Blake Acres

13

Blake Acres

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

Campbell Chesser
Lucas Camporeale

Ruck:

Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

29

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

Liam Reidy
Hudson O'Keefe

Gen Defender:

Nick Haynes

26

Nick Haynes

Age

33

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

Adam Saad

42

Adam Saad

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

Nic Newman

24

Nic Newman

Age

32

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

Lachie Cowan
Matthew Carroll
Billy Wilson
Jordan Boyd
Harry Charleson
Matt Duffy

Key Defender

Jacob Weitering

23

Jacob Weitering

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

189.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

0.8

3star

MG

263.4

4star

Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

Harry O'Farrell

 

[teagueyubeauty]

So nice of you to say Willem.... but kindly stfu

Sounds like Willem doesn’t want to go to West Coast

Let’s be honest, clubs won’t give two figs what Deans peers think where he’ll go in the draft, they’ll make their own minds up on the facts they see every week he plays and compare that to what they see of how his peers play.

If Dean goes at 1, does it matter? Walker may go at 1 next year as well…that will just mean we have 2 absolute guns for the future

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Wild that we live in a world where Harry Dean being Pick 1 worthy is a bad thing.

We will still get him. Plus Ison. Can’t bloody wait.

Yeah but we want more

In all seriousness though, Dean bid on at pick 1 would be pure games. He's a great talent, but most have him between the 5 - 10 range.

All the teams with picks before us in the draft are pretty well stocked with kpd options too... apart from Melbourne. They could bank on us matching their bids (99% chance we will) but that 1% chance we don't... it will be very poor list management for them...

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Yeah different situations all right... he wants to go home for family reasons... which is totally reasonable and understandable unlike the Clownow having a cry... but yeah let's draft him against his will because we're in the flag window next couple years aren't we...

He’s not from Adelaide so he’s not going home, he’s going for cash and a team he thinks is on the right track