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[serial_thrilla]

 

[Purple Jesus]

Just on that. How ****ing great is it to have three 22yo KPFs kicking 32+ goals in a season. Could’ve only dreamt of it a few years ago.

Especially considering how poor we were in that area for our entire existence.

 

[Barnabus]

With King focussing on Geelong's finals campaign now seems like the time to make JLo available for a few long meetings with McVee discussing how we have great lockdown defenders but really need more attacking flair. Really focus on making him feel valued. Meanwhile King will be spending most of his time at Geelong. Provides a nice little contrast that might move the needle a touch.

 

[DragoDelph]

Just on that. How ****ing great is it to have three 22yo KPFs kicking 32+ goals in a season. Could’ve only dreamt of it a few years ago.

There was one passage of play where Treacy took a mark at half back, kicks to amiss on the wing, kick to boss in the 50.

We have 10 years of that to come

 

[sumavich]

Reckon that Amiss is definitely got potential to be a Cameron type key forward.
Maybe not as many goals, but the running to wing etc, and doubling back.
Reckon he spends too much energy wrestling with opponents, needs just to run and demand the ball

 

[bigfoopy]

It wont make one difference to his draft stock to be honest.

Is that a reflection on the weight they put on carnival games or the lack of competition/talent in colts wa footy atm?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Is that a reflection on the weight they put on carnival games or the lack of competition/talent in colts wa footy atm?

Its more that we underestimate how much footy recruiters consume. Im picking numbers out of thin air here but recruiters will have watched like 90% of all footy Whan has played this year. His Souths coaching group giving him more votes than anyone else isn't going to impact recruiters opinion in any way.

 

[stax on the mull]

There's not many Jack Clarke medallists that get drafted to the AFL. Kepler Bradley the last one to be a Top 10 AFL draft pick.

Whan tied on 16 votes for the medal from 11 colts games with EF's Tom Grylls who played 17 colts games.

 

[FreoRicci]

Just on that. How ****ing great is it to have three 22yo KPFs kicking 32+ goals in a season. Could’ve only dreamt of it a few years ago.

Pat Voss to go from that awful home game in 2024 v Geelong to where he is now. Impressive.

 

[FreoRicci]

Reckon that Amiss is definitely got potential to be a Cameron type key forward.
Maybe not as many goals, but the running to wing etc, and doubling back.
Reckon he spends too much energy wrestling with opponents, needs just to run and demand the ball

He needs to be coached accordingly. You won’t see Cameron wrestling with Battle or Barass for example this week.
Need better delivery inside 50. He needs more Murphy Reid’s around him.

 

[Dockeroo]

Yeah, I missed the part where McKercher was all of a sudden a superstar. KPFs kicking over 110 goals by 22 dont grow on trees...

Lol was Amiss not the hero literally one game before against the dogs? Short memories. 113 goals from 70 games and only just turned 22. So much undervaluing of him

Ellis really doesn’t like Amiss he’s been very critical of him all year.

He won’t be traded anyway.
McKercher is class to be fair had a strong end to the season for north looks like a Zach Merrett type to me in the future

 

[guidodp15]

Is that a reflection on the weight they put on carnival games or the lack of competition/talent in colts wa footy atm?

also makes you think of when there was the last dominant Young wafl player in the main team. Remember when Coniglio dominated the WAFL grand final at 16

 

[Quay Club]

For reference Thilthorpe is a year older and has kicked 119 goals from 78 games and Just made an AA. And so many wanna write off Amiss. If he didn’t have such a good first year we’d be so happy to have a 22 year old KPF kicking 32 goals.

Plus was obviously carrying an injury in the later part of the season.

 

[Ysaye]

also makes you think of when there was the last dominant Young wafl player in the main team. Remember when Coniglio dominated the WAFL grand final at 16

Logan Mcdonald | WAFL

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Bo Allan, Hewett and Tholstrup also had their moments in WAFL seniors as well before they were drafted.

 

[blue shark]

He needs to be coached accordingly. You won’t see Cameron wrestling with Battle or Barass for example this week.
Need better delivery inside 50. He needs more Murphy Reid’s around him.

Yep, doesn’t make sense. Better that he plays as a medium tall.
Voss and Treacy are the two power forwards with Jackson cameo's.
We need him to be smarter and Gunston is the perfect role model.

 

[Dockeroo]

Hard ball gets podcast had another freo related trade hypothetical:

Lachie Whitfield

6

Lachie Whitfield

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.3

5star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

411.8

5star

D

21.4

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

3star

MG

350.6

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

to Freo for Sean Darcy

4

Sean Darcy

Age

27

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

plus an extra player such as Erasmus or Johnson?
Ryan suggested Darcy & Cooper Simpson for Whitfield but Ellis rubbished it as not being enough to satisfy GWS, said Erasmus or Johnson would need to be a part of the deal.

Whitfield would definitely add some AA level class off half back but he’s 31 already, drafted in 2012, four years before Sean Darcy

4

Sean Darcy

Age

27

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

. Think it’s balanced against freo if anything.
31 year olds aren’t worth more than a second round pick in my opinion.

Found the HBG guys a bit annoying this week. They haven’t much of a clue about trade values I don’t think. Rhino slags Nick a lot too but I actually reckon Nick knows more about footy than he does. Ellis then was grossly overvaluing Cam McKenzie who can’t even get a game at hawthorn.

 

[rgauci]

Priorities to complete in the offseason
1. Extend Patrick Voss’ contract
2. Extend Caleb Serong

3

Caleb Serong

Age

24

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

’s contract
3. Trade in some talent.
4. Find top tier fitness coach. Grab that bloke from Adelaide.
5. Pick a mature age forward draftee like Milan Murdoch or Matt Johnson (VFL).

 

[s_wd6]

Hard ball gets podcast had another freo related trade hypothetical:

Lachie Whitfield to Freo for Sean Darcy plus an extra player such as Erasmus or Johnson?
Ryan suggested Darcy & Cooper Simpson for Whitfield but Ellis rubbished it as not being enough to satisfy GWS, said Erasmus or Johnson would need to be a part of the deal.

Whitfield would definitely add some AA level class off half back but he’s 31 already, drafted in 2012, four years before Sean Darcy. Think it’s balanced against freo if anything.
31 year olds aren’t worth more than a second round pick in my opinion.

Found the HBG guys a bit annoying this week. They haven’t much of a clue about trade values I don’t think. Rhino slags Nick a lot too but I actually reckon Nick knows more about footy than he does. Ellis then was grossly overvaluing Cam McKenzie who can’t even get a game at hawthorn.

**** me when did all of our b22 players become worth half a player. And wtf is everyone’s obsession of getting kickers off half back. Our transition scoring was fine, and add in Simpson next year it probably gets better.

Seriously even if you want someone off half back you can find them for cheap. Never should be paying that much for a half back. I don’t think anyone would agree that we win more games this year with Whitfield instead of Darcy, let alone Darcy and Johnson/Ras.

 

[Superkoops]

Hard ball gets podcast had another freo related trade hypothetical:

Lachie Whitfield to Freo for Sean Darcy plus an extra player such as Erasmus or Johnson?
Ryan suggested Darcy & Cooper Simpson for Whitfield but Ellis rubbished it as not being enough to satisfy GWS, said Erasmus or Johnson would need to be a part of the deal.

Whitfield would definitely add some AA level class off half back but he’s 31 already, drafted in 2012, four years before Sean Darcy. Think it’s balanced against freo if anything.
31 year olds aren’t worth more than a second round pick in my opinion.

Found the HBG guys a bit annoying this week. They haven’t much of a clue about trade values I don’t think. Rhino slags Nick a lot too but I actually reckon Nick knows more about footy than he does. Ellis then was grossly overvaluing Cam McKenzie who can’t even get a game at hawthorn.

These guys sound like they spitballing absolute dribble. Darcy being a ruckman would be higher value than Ellis is making out - albeit AA in the past. Adding a late draft pick to the trade (as a sweetener) would be sufficient for someone in the twilight of their career. Darcy is too similar to Briggs so is a stupid suggestion.

 

[Taylor]

The club still needs to work out where the competition sees Whan in the draft to determine their strategy around pick swaps.

The most important thing really is whether it's coming before our second rounder. I don't think that's going to be much in front of pick 40 tbh. It'll probably be roughly where it is post trade period (ie after free agency compensation picks) if slightly later.

If Whan will 100% after pick 40, the obvious strategy is to use whatever picks to get the first two picks as high as possible. If there's a chance Whan goes before our second rounder and/or pick 40 it becomes more difficult.

Can make an argument that we upgrade the second pick with our 3rds as much as possible anyway and grab two players ahead of Whan and let the chips fall as they may. As they say in Bedazzled.

 

[Sturty2Hurty]

These guys sound like they spitballing absolute dribble. Darcy being a ruckman would be higher value than Ellis is making out - albeit AA in the past. Adding a late draft pick to the trade (as a sweetener) would be sufficient for someone in the twilight of their career. Darcy is too similar to Briggs so is a stupid suggestion.

Some of the trades they all agreed were good were hilariously bad. The Adam Cerra one to Adelaide was genuinely terrible. Even Jay Clark’s trades are better.

 

[guidodp15]

Hard ball gets podcast had another freo related trade hypothetical:

Lachie Whitfield to Freo for Sean Darcy plus an extra player such as Erasmus or Johnson?
Ryan suggested Darcy & Cooper Simpson for Whitfield but Ellis rubbished it as not being enough to satisfy GWS, said Erasmus or Johnson would need to be a part of the deal.

Whitfield would definitely add some AA level class off half back but he’s 31 already, drafted in 2012, four years before Sean Darcy. Think it’s balanced against freo if anything.
31 year olds aren’t worth more than a second round pick in my opinion.

Found the HBG guys a bit annoying this week. They haven’t much of a clue about trade values I don’t think. Rhino slags Nick a lot too but I actually reckon Nick knows more about footy than he does. Ellis then was grossly overvaluing Cam McKenzie who can’t even get a game at hawthorn.

Worse hypotheticals that you see on this thread

 

[Docker82]

Can make an argument that we upgrade the second pick with our 3rds as much as possible anyway and grab two players ahead of Whan and let the chips fall as they may. As they say in Bedazzled.

Yep. It'll be about upgrading the second rounder. Don't think the third rounders really move the needle enough for our first rounder.

Might be better if it's draft night trade or at least late/post trade period. Quite possible the second round pre draft is dominated by Gold Coast, Brisbane, Carlton, Sydney etc - Those picks just disappear on draft night. No point upgrading our second rounder four spots if all picks will disappear in bids for example.

 

[Taylor]

Yep. It'll be about upgrading the second rounder. Don't think the third rounders really move the needle enough for our first rounder.

Might be better if it's draft night trade or at least late/post trade period. Quite possible the second round pre draft is dominated by Gold Coast, Brisbane, Carlton, Sydney etc - Those picks just disappear on draft night. No point upgrading our second rounder four spots if all picks will disappear in bids for example.

It could be worth it if it buys us a first round pick, even if it's right at the end.

Gold Coast matching all those bids is going to eat all of #6, #13 and #17 - so perhaps we can buy that last pick off them for a spread of picks as soon as the draft starts. It will still push back but it's qualification as a first round pick will mean we all get to watch one night of draft and then sit around half watching night two.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Hard ball gets podcast had another freo related trade hypothetical:

Lachie Whitfield to Freo for Sean Darcy plus an extra player such as Erasmus or Johnson?
Ryan suggested Darcy & Cooper Simpson for Whitfield but Ellis rubbished it as not being enough to satisfy GWS, said Erasmus or Johnson would need to be a part of the deal.

Whitfield would definitely add some AA level class off half back but he’s 31 already, drafted in 2012, four years before Sean Darcy. Think it’s balanced against freo if anything.
31 year olds aren’t worth more than a second round pick in my opinion.

Found the HBG guys a bit annoying this week. They haven’t much of a clue about trade values I don’t think. Rhino slags Nick a lot too but I actually reckon Nick knows more about footy than he does. Ellis then was grossly overvaluing Cam McKenzie who can’t even get a game at hawthorn.

So Ellis said Darcy, Simpson and Erasmus/Johnson for Whitfield?

Genuinely want to send that pod a question and ask whether the bloke has any integrity considering he keeps shouting tent tent tent at Ryan Daniels.

 

[PrancingPony]

Hard Ball Gets really went down the drain didn't it? That's to say they were ever up to begin with.