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[serial_thrilla]

 

[Puregold]

It will be interesting to see if future picks enhance our trade with this. A lot of “sky is falling” theatrics over reported seals with no paper work lodged yet.

Let’s wait until the end of trade week to fully have our hissy fits

 

[pK75]

No, this is the part that everyone misses. I'm not arguing for a position, I'm arguing against a position. I'm fine with sometimes arguing positions that I don't actually believe in for the sake of testing other people's arguments.

There are no logical flaws in my arguments because I understand the difference between known fact and assumption.

If we state that x has no value, then giving away x for free is meaningless. That doesn't mean x has no value, it is a supposition, an assumption made to bridge gaps in data.

I offer no opinion on the value of the trade. What I am doing is highlighting that there are assumptions that are being made to judge the trade as bad, and there are logical flaws in those assumptions.

You keep focussing on justification. There is no justification happening from me. I'm arguing logic, not defending what has happened.

Sorry mattis117 this is all complete BS because the draft value index literally puts a value on every single pick up to 54
GC are trying to bring in Trac via trade plus up to 6 academy kids in the draft. On the night a team with 33, 44 and 50 could likely trade up to a mid 20’s pick because it will net GC more points to match more bids. They can’t carry all these picks into the start of the draft as they can only take as many as they have list spots available.

 

[A New Hope]

I wonder if you can still get these sausages for your BBQ Snuffaluphagus?

 

[Midnite65]

Well mate I'm sorry but multiple times you are arguing it's ok for Walls to throw away draft capital because of what he must think of the draft. Your arguments are ridiculous and non-sensical. If you think you can get what you need at a cheaper price, you still maximise the savings, you dont piss the savings against the wall(sy).

So just wondering do all of you believe that Walls acts like a sole trader in these deals, Garlick and co would have a sign off on any trade that happens.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So just wondering do all of you believe that Walls acts like a sole trader in these deals, Garlick and co would have a sign off on any trade that happens.

I'm sure it's a partly team effort but there's only so many cooks you can have in a kitchen to negotiate. I'm not sure Garlick is signing off trades. Brierty MAYBE but they'll divert to list manager for almost all trades. Might have some scale for a Freo player that needs higher level sign effort.

End of the day, like any work environment, any blame first lies in the head of department and Walls is going to be the face and in charge of the majority of negotiations and trading.

 

[Docker82]

Feel like we didn't know Richmond's F3 was part of the Bolton deal until it was finalised tbh.

Happy to be corrected on that one though.

 

[pK75]

FWIW the only reason I’m not completely raging is im convinced there has to be a F2 from Brisbane involved, otherwise they have made out like complete bandits if they’ve traded 19 and Stacevich for 16, 22

 

[freo_leo29]

Feel like we didn't know Richmond's F3 was part of the Bolton deal until it was finalised tbh.

Happy to be corrected on that one though.

Nah we knew basically right away

edit: Took 13 mins to reveal the extra deets

Today he took a bit longer to reveal all the deets but they ended up there

 

[Alfonz]

FWIW the only reason I’m not completely raging is im convinced there has to be a F2 from Brisbane involved, otherwise they have made out like complete bandits if they’ve traded 19 and Stacevich for 16, 22

Yep. Surely we are getting something like a F2 from Brisbane. I'd be shocked if that's not the case. It might even be a F2 and F3. It could even be 2027 picks.

Currently on points value, we are short pick 44 in value while starting with the most premium of the picks involved (i.e. we should be the ones with a points surplus). It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and there must be something else coming our way. The melting over this is crazy.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yep. Surely we are getting something like a F2 from Brisbane. I'd be shocked if that's not the case. It might even be a F2 and F3. It could even be 2027 picks.

Currently on points value, we are short pick 44 in value while starting with the most premium of the picks involved (i.e. we should be the ones with a points surplus). It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and there must be something else coming our way. The melting over this is crazy.

Unless there isnt something else coming our way then the melting is fine?

 

[freo_leo29]

Someone run a poll on whether there is something else coming our way or not

I wanna see who is huffing

 

[Alfonz]

Unless there isnt something else coming our way then the melting is fine?

Melt tomorrow by all means if that is how it is finalised. But don't melt now when you don't know the final details and logic suggests there is a missing piece to the puzzle.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Melt tomorrow by all means if that is how it is finalised. But don't melt now when you don't know the final details and logic suggests there is a missing piece to the puzzle.

As chief melter I have made the point of saying "as the trade stands" and "ill direct anger at Twomey if it changes" many times.

Most of melting has actually been for people justifying it "as it stands"

 

[apuchar]

You're not stating any concrete ideas other than we could have waited. Yep, could have, but we moved now because the opportunity with west coast and Brisbane had a timer.

All the negative comments are predicated on an assumption that 33 is a valuable pick. We don't even know if 23 is a valuable pick. Look at the Chapman draft, nearly every pick was trash.

There was a clear avenue to pick up a known quantity player. We decided to take it instead of waste time trying to pick the bones out of draft points. They are now free to pursue other goals that are unknown to us.

It may be valuable to people we have to compete with

 

[Alfonz]

As chief melter I have made the point of saying "as the trade stands" and "ill direct anger at Twomey if it changes" many times.

Most of melting has actually been for people justifying it "as it stands"

Fair enough. I should also retract my statement of "don't melt now". It is a time honoured tradition of being a Freo supporter and you can double down on melting by melting at Twomey tomorrow!

And if Walls has actually fluffed the pick swapping, then the AFL should be stepping in to fix it. They have to approve all trades and they shouldn't do so when there is such a clear imbalance. Obviously "should" doesn't mean they actually will, especially when their beloved QLD pet is the one who needs to make up the imbalance.

 

[Troy Cooked It]

I’m astounded at the mental gymnastics and those attempting to play devils advocate here.
Let’s get the first bit out the way, McVee is worth 23 for sure, actually very pleased with that, how we got 23 though…

Agree with the sentiment there must be something else to this because whatever the **** this deal currently is, is historically the stupidest agreed pick swap deal ever accepted in AFL history. Never has a club accepted less points to downgrade their highest pick. Dont think I’ve ever melted before as I’m a genuine optimist but a switch has been flicked inside of me. This is atrocious and I don’t care how insulting or absurd it is to suggest, but it genuinely feels like Walls has a getaway planned with the family starting this weekend and is just wrapping things up.

What on gods green earth are we doing giving away objective value for the betterment of 1. Our ****ing rival?!? And 2. The recent back to back bloody premiers? What in the actual norf level of trading is this shit?

It’s insulting everyone’s intelligence on here for anyone suggesting this is even close to a fair trade. McVee could be AA for the next 5 years and it’s still a shit trade, probably even worse then because we could have had him through legitimately 15 other ways.

Wallsy should honestly stick to draft and draft alone if this trade goes through as is. Faaaaaaark meeeee

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m astounded at the mental gymnastics and those attempting to play devils advocate here.
Let’s get the first bit out the way, McVee is worth 23 for sure, actually very pleased with that, how we got 23 though…

Agree with the sentiment there must be something else to this because whatever the **** this deal currently is, is historically the stupidest agreed pick swap deal ever accepted in AFL history. Never has a club accepted less points to downgrade their highest pick. Dont think I’ve ever melted before as I’m a genuine optimist but a switch has been flicked inside of me. This is atrocious and I don’t care how insulting or absurd it is to suggest, but it genuinely feels like Walls has a getaway planned with the family starting this weekend and is just wrapping things up.

What on gods green earth are we doing giving away objective value for the betterment of 1. Our ****ing rival?!? And 2. The recent back to back bloody premiers? What in the actual norf level of trading is this shit?

It’s insulting everyone’s intelligence on here for anyone suggesting this is even close to a fair trade. McVee could be AA for the next 5 years and it’s still a shit trade, probably even worse then because we could have had him through legitimately 15 other ways.

Wallsy should honestly stick to draft and draft alone if this trade goes through as is. Faaaaaaark meeeee

I saw someone on reddit say "looks like we gave away pick 33 but im not going to melt over something so small"

I nearly had a ****ing aneurysm

 

[oldgoat]

No discussion allowed! We must all just like the OP and turn off comments or GTFO.

Now everyones being silly!
Ministry of silly talks.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

You know minds have been lost when people start boldng parts of their posts.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

I saw someone on reddit say "looks like we gave away pick 33 but im not going to melt over something so small"

I nearly had a ****ing aneurysm

Are you trying to make yourself angry?

Why aren't you 16 home-brews deep?

 

[oldgoat]

Imagine there’s 20 sandwiches lined up in front of you.

There’s 5 decent ones. The rest are varying levels of shit.

Would you rather pick 12 of the shit sandwiches or pick 19?

Could i have melted cheese on that shit sandwich please?

 

[Randomizor]

So just wondering do all of you believe that Walls acts like a sole trader in these deals, Garlick and co would have a sign off on any trade that happens.

It doesn’t matter. Ultimately he’s accepted this role to lead the trading. In return he gets extra responsibility, probably extra pay, and has to absorb all the criticism. That’s being a leader.

 

[oldgoat]

You're not a shit-sipper to me Snuff'.

shit-sniffer?

 

[Randomizor]

It’s annoying enough that we are an “any excuse will do” supporter base when it comes to on-field performance. Can we not apply that to the off-field stuff as well? Sheesh.

 

[oldgoat]

Not all heroes wear capes