NFL 2025 NFL Pre-Draft Discussion

[aussiedude]

NFL Draft order

01. Tennessee
02. Cleveland
03. New York Giants
04. New England
05. Jacksonville
06. Las Vegas
07. New York Jets
08. Carolina
09. New Orleans
10. Chicago
11. San Francisco
12. Dallas
13. Miami
14. Indianapolis
15. Atlanta
16. Arizona
17. Cincinnati
18. Seattle
19. Tampa Bay
20. Denver
21. Pittsburgh
22. Los Angeles Chargers
23. Green Bay
24. Minnesota
25. Houston
26. Los Angeles Rams
27. Baltimore
28. Detroit
29. Washington
30. Buffalo
31. Kansas City
32. Philadelphia

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Oh I saw the bears up for Jeanty rumour on twitter and I assumed this video was about that. Sorry

Toad says the Jags are trading back with the Bears and the vid he posts is about them trading up with the Browns.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

So many iNsIdErS saying conflicting things, just can't wait for the day to finally get here.

 

[AJ_2000]

So many iNsIdErS saying conflicting things, just can't wait for the day to finally get here.

Pretty much this. Nobody (including the teams) actually know what they're going to do until.they see how the picks fall.

 

[exe ex machina]

****ing Jags trying to steal Jeanty from the Giants (would win 500-800 dollars)

 

[GreyCrow]

Oh I saw the bears up for Jeanty rumour on twitter and I assumed this video was about that. Sorry

 

[GreyCrow]

****ing Jags trying to steal Jeanty from the Giants (would win 500-800 dollars)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Hadn't heard much at all about what our plans til just now, bit of talk about Walter Nolan being the pick even if we can't trade back from 8. Matches up with the visit tracker.

Notably, markets for pick 8 have shifted significantly in the past 24 hours, Jalon Waker who has been favourite at $2 - $2.50 all along is now $3.40 behind Mason Graham at $2.70. Walter Nolan is $12.50 be the pick at 8 (think I saw him as high as $40 yesterday) and $14 in the first DL/Edge drafted market (Abdul Carter excluded)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Jeanty really come in too for pick 5 ($1.50 after being $2 yesterday), seems Sportsbet think the Bears could be trading up to 5 for him coz they have taken the pick 10 market down.

 

[drd23]

How so. Based on tape only 2-3 were top 30 players with only Daniles worth a top 5 pick. Caleb had an amazing highlight reel, but full game tape the holes in his game showed.

JJ, Penix and Nix were not 1st round on tape but because there were more QB desperate teams they went higher.

And to day 1 year is too early to make that assessment misses the whole point. It's actually 12 months too late to make the assessment. It's based on their college play not what they might become. I'm basing it off what they should be as PBA. But the draft never falls that way, most years more QBs are taken then should or WR or CB. And there might be a RB who is a top 20 talent in the draft but not taken till day 2 because it's a lower rated position in recent years.

The draft will never fall on a best pick available type deal because of team needs and how scouts or GMs over value some metrics or whatever. Like Player A might be the best tackle in the draft, But player B goes before him because him because he can play both sides and play inside if needed.

WTF are you talking about? Of course the NFL draft is about what they might become. Players should be selected based on what teams think those players will do under contract for the team.

By your logic that college play is the only thing draft stock should be based on, the Heisman finalists would be the top draft picks and so Pennix and Nix were 1st rounders. By your logic Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Jordan Love were bad picks, and Baker Mayfield was rightly the 1st pick in 2018. Chase Young was a great pick who really built on his outstanding college play. Kenny Pickett should have been picked higher etc

None of this is to say that college performance isn't part of the puzzle, but to say it is all that matters is crazy

 

[exe ex machina]

Yeah, for example, there are a lot of WRs for instance, with great mesurables and perhaps too top route running, but they played in a run heavy offense and/or poor QB/OL play, and didnt put up big numbers, but NFL scouts will project such players as ones with high upside....and could end up 3rd to 5th round picks, but have great NFL careers. There are a lot of these such WRs who were drafted mid to late rounds and ended up all-prps.

It is very much too about projection based on raw talent/measurables as it also is about blue chip players whose college production was outstanding....eg, Ja'Marr Chase

 

[aussiedude]

WTF are you talking about? Of course the NFL draft is about what they might become. Players should be selected based on what teams think those players will do under contract for the team.

By your logic that college play is the only thing draft stock should be based on, the Heisman finalists would be the top draft picks and so Pennix and Nix were 1st rounders. By your logic Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Jordan Love were bad picks, and Baker Mayfield was rightly the 1st pick in 2018. Chase Young was a great pick who really built on his outstanding college play. Kenny Pickett should have been picked higher etc

None of this is to say that college performance isn't part of the puzzle, but to say it is all that matters is crazy

My whole idea was that it would be nice if the NFL didnt overvalue QB's in the draft, meaning that most years half or more of the 1st round QB's wouldnt of gone so high

But the NFL doesnt exist in a world where they dont overvalue some spots like QB or future potential. Which is why more then 1QB will be taken tomorrow even tho only 1 QB is worth taking.

Draft grades as a thing are dumb because its not a known thing. Player A might be a better talent or have a higher ceiling, but player B might be a better NFL player because he lands in a better system or team.

and team A might have a 1st round grade, but team B has a 3rd round for the same player.

 

[Chris25]

But the NFL doesnt exist in a world where they dont overvalue some spots like QB

I mean, it’s literally the only thing that matters in the sport.

 

[quotemokc]

My whole idea was that it would be nice if the NFL didnt overvalue QB's in the draft, meaning that most years half or more of the 1st round QB's wouldnt of gone so high

But the NFL doesnt exist in a world where they dont overvalue some spots like QB or future potential. Which is why more then 1QB will be taken tomorrow even tho only 1 QB is worth taking.

Draft grades as a thing are dumb because its not a known thing. Player A might be a better talent or have a higher ceiling, but player B might be a better NFL player because he lands in a better system or team.

and team A might have a 1st round grade, but team B has a 3rd round for the same player.

Watch the video I linked earlier.

If teams hit on a 1st round QB there is a huge benefit to their rookie contract.

Jayden Daniels is costing Washington $9m per year and Geno Smith is going to cost 4x that.

Washington should be SB contenders for the next 4 years because they have so much cap space with a legit QB that they are paying pennies for.

 

[aussiedude]

Watch the video I linked earlier.

If teams hit on a 1st round QB there is a huge benefit to their rookie contract.

Jayden Daniels is costing Washington $9m per year and Geno Smith is going to cost 4x that.

Washington should be SB contenders for the next 4 years because they have so much cap space with a legit QB that they are paying pennies for.

I said teams reach for QBs in the 1st because of the attractiveness of the 5th year option.

But Daniles isn't a good example he was clearly the a top pick. It would be more would Denver have been better taking some other need over Nix.

But there is also the otherside where teams like Baltimore took Jackson

 

[aussiedude]

I mean, it’s literally the only thing that matters in the sport.

Which is also why some teams are in a cycle of suck because they keep taking QBs who isn't that good and can't develop them or have nothing for them to work with. And at times are pushed into the starting job so fast they never get a real chance to succeed leading to the team giving up on them and re-enter the QB draft mode.

The best time to get a QB is when you don't need to draft one if you don't have pick 1

 

[aussiedude]

This whole conversation only started because I said I didn't see only 1QB going in the 1st round because teams overvalue QB

 

[Toadvine]

 

[Big Unit 30]

Toad says the Jags are trading back with the Bears and the vid he posts is about them trading up with the Browns.

And I’m pissed in a Thai village trying to get internet coverage to confirm it

 

[AmericanCrow]

 

[Big Unit 30]

‘With pick 2 the Cleveland Browns re select
Johnny Manziel Texas A&M’

 

[GreyCrow]

They will trade for Baker Mayfield

 

[AmericanCrow]

With the second pick of the 2025 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select:

 

[exe ex machina]

Apparently the Jets are open to trading Breece Hall during the draft

 

[Toadvine]

 

[Toadvine]

It's all happening