List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[George CantStandYa]

On a cheerful note, once Brisbane draft Annable and assuming he lives up to the hype, its entirely possible their primary midfield will contain 4 players that they got via f/s and academy for way under real value that equate to probably 3 top 5 picks (ashcroft brothers and possibly Annable) and another 1st round pick (Fletcher).

How on earth can we expect to compete with that leg up

We can’t

 

[crows dude]

On a cheerful note, once Brisbane draft Annable and assuming he lives up to the hype, its entirely possible their primary midfield will contain 4 players that they got via f/s and academy for way under real value that equate to probably 3 top 5 picks (ashcroft brothers and possibly Annable) and another 1st round pick (Fletcher).

How on earth can we expect to compete with that leg up

Fathers need to have sons who are gun footballers.
McLeod Edwards Jarman. None of their sons have been great footballers yet Marcus Ashcroft has two sons who turn out to be guns. Arghhh

 

[dogs105]

No premierships this century for us, and one for Port.

Need SA academies to promote development in this state.

 

[George CantStandYa]

No matter what we do, our midfield is miles and I mean miles away from the Lions.

Remember that poster named Jeff who carried on because the Lions licked 0-8 against us in the last qtr and we won?

Neale, Ashcroft x 2, McCluggage, Bailey, Dunkley, there is 3 A graders in that lot with 2 B + and a kid who will be an A grader.

 

[Danger in Texas]

No matter what we do, our midfield is miles and I mean miles away from the Lions.

Remember that poster named Jeff who carried on because the Lions licked 0-8 against us in the last qtr and we won?

Neale, Ashcroft x 2, McCluggage, Bailey, Dunkley, there is 3 A graders in that lot with 2 B + and a kid who will be an A grader.

Ehh I'm not super high on Levi but you're right about the others. You could argue some of those guys as A+ grade, too

Someone like Trac is necessary so that we can take pressure off of Soligo/Peatling to perform above their ability, and even then it won't be able to match the Lions midfield

 

[Scorpus]

No matter what we do, our midfield is miles and I mean miles away from the Lions.

Remember that poster named Jeff who carried on because the Lions licked 0-8 against us in the last qtr and we won?

Neale, Ashcroft x 2, McCluggage, Bailey, Dunkley, there is 3 A graders in that lot with 2 B + and a kid who will be an A grader.

They've spent their draft resources exceptionally well.

Yes they got some F/S players in, but they also spent pick 6 on Neale, pick 3 on McCluggage and pick 15 on Bailey during their rebuild phase. Then traded a late first for Dunkley

Built a forward line and defense largely from scraps

Using big draft capital on the midfield is crucial

 

[TRP1996]

Fathers need to have sons who are gun footballers.
McLeod Edwards Jarman. None of their sons have been great footballers yet Marcus Ashcroft has two sons who turn out to be guns. Arghhh

Connor McLeod is busy fighting the other immortals, to be fair. Once that is done he will use his powers to lead us to the premiership.

 

[Crow till I die]

Ehh I'm not super high on Levi but you're right about the others. You could argue some of those guys as A+ grade, too

Someone like Trac is necessary so that we can take pressure off of Soligo/Peatling to perform above their ability, and even then it won't be able to match the Lions midfield

Its why we need to be super aggressive targeting players that will make our midfield markedly better. Surely we could tempt one of the plethora of top end young mids out of Gold Coast..Lombard would be very good. Bailey from Brisbane if there is any chance you throw a huge offer to. Its our achilles heel as our defensive set up is top drawer and we have the forwards. Lets not die wondering while Dawson is still in his prime

 

[pjcrows]

Our problem isn't that we would need to give up two 1sts for Petracca. In principle, it's fine to do so. But he should be an addition to a midfield, not the centrepiece. Brisbane targeted someone like Dunkley, but he wasn't the be all and end all, he's a part of something already being built.

I don't see guys like Rachele and Rankine being midfielders in a deep September run. I see them as Lohmann and Cameron.

I watch games like today and just see us as miles off, and not a quick fix away.

 

[Crow till I die]

Our problem isn't that we would need to give up two 1sts for Petracca. In principle, it's fine to do so. But he should be an addition to a midfield, not the centrepiece. Brisbane targeted someone like Dunkley, but he wasn't the be all and end all, he's a part of something already being built.

I don't see guys like Rachele and Rankine being midfielders in a deep September run. I see them as Lohmann and Cameron.

I watch games like today and just see us as miles off, and not a quick fix away.

Its also why its crucial we get Draper, Edwards and Curtin into that primary midfield mix starting day 1 preseason and be prepared for it to take time for these guys to get to the level. Both Draper and Edwards were drafted as 1st round natural midfielders, get them in there. Dan in ny eye has to be given the chance there too with his unique skillset and size. He could be anything.

We just have to back them in as they should have higher ceilings than soligo, peatling and berry

 

[kirky]

Fathers need to have sons who are gun footballers.
McLeod Edwards Jarman. None of their sons have been great footballers yet Marcus Ashcroft has two sons who turn out to be guns. Arghhh

Hopefully we might get some thru Roo.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Our problem isn't that we would need to give up two 1sts for Petracca. In principle, it's fine to do so. But he should be an addition to a midfield, not the centrepiece. Brisbane targeted someone like Dunkley, but he wasn't the be all and end all, he's a part of something already being built.

I don't see guys like Rachele and Rankine being midfielders in a deep September run. I see them as Lohmann and Cameron.

I watch games like today and just see us as miles off, and not a quick fix away.

Rankine's a lot better than both of those guys, Brisbane doesn't really have that kind of player so it's hard to compare

The difference is that all of Neale/McCluggage/Ashcroft are as pure a mids as you can find - Rankine less so, as it stands. They also have additional flexibility to impact forward of centre, but not to the level of Rankine from game-to-game

Point being - Rankine you'd classify as a top-line fwd/mid or mid/fwd, while the others are top line pure mids with very capbable fwd ability. It's better to have the latter when you're competing for a premiership

Rachele is probably more Lohmann, yes

We're missing A or A+ grade pure mids, Dawson is probably our only one at the moment

(EDIT: I forgot about Bailey, Rankine's equivalent is Bailey)

 

[George CantStandYa]

Our problem isn't that we would need to give up two 1sts for Petracca. In principle, it's fine to do so. But he should be an addition to a midfield, not the centrepiece. Brisbane targeted someone like Dunkley, but he wasn't the be all and end all, he's a part of something already being built.

I don't see guys like Rachele and Rankine being midfielders in a deep September run. I see them as Lohmann and Cameron.

I watch games like today and just see us as miles off, and not a quick fix away.

Yep and it’s why after watching today I wouldn’t go after Petracca if it’s costing us 2 firsts. We aren’t beating Lions in finals and it would be a waste of 2 picks given his age.

Our midfield is 3-4 years behind them.

 

[pjcrows]

Rankine's a lot better than both of those guys, Brisbane doesn't really have that kind of player so it's hard to compare

The difference is that all of Neale/McCluggage/Ashcroft are as pure a mids as you can find - Rankine less so, as it stands. They also have additional flexibility to impact forward of centre, but not to the level of Rankine from game-to-game

Point being - Rankine you'd classify as a top-line fwd/mid or mid/fwd, while the others are top line pure mids with very capbable fwd ability. It's better to have the latter when you're competing for a premiership

Rachele is probably more Lohmann, yes

We're missing A or A+ grade pure mids, Dawson is probably our only one at the moment

I absolutely agree- my point is that Crows fans often go "Oh yeah but Rankine and Rachele" when we're talking about our top line players. Yes they are, but they aren't blue chip mids and never will be.

We need to address the midfield properly (we needed to years ago) or we'll have another group of talent pissed away.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Its also why its crucial we get Draper, Edwards and Curtin into that primary midfield mix starting day 1 preseason and be prepared for it to take time for these guys to get to the level. Both Draper and Edwards were drafted as 1st round natural midfielders, get them in there. Dan in ny eye has to be given the chance there too with his unique skillset and size. He could be anything.

We just have to back them in as they should have higher ceilings than soligo, peatling and berry

Nicks won’t do that, he’s not prepared to get sacked and the club doesn’t want to potentially go backwards

 

[George CantStandYa]

I absolutely agree- my point is that Crows fans often go "Oh yeah but Rankine and Rachele" when we're talking about our top line players. Yes they are, but they aren't blue chip mids and never will be.

We need to address the midfield properly (we needed to years ago) or we'll have another group of talent pissed away.

Crows fans or Thrillthorpe7?

 

[texanmike]

We also actually need a decent ruck, lets talk about how good darcy fort

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Darcy Fort

Age

32

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

CL

3.6

4star

HO

21.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

15.6

5star

is. The bloke grabs the ball out of the ruck and kicks it forward how many times a game, hes just smashed 2 GF's in a row, severely underrated. Yet we persist with a hack ROB who could only dream of doing what fort has in back to back grand finals.

 

[Redline]

Thinking about trading, I'd be keen to trade our future first for Carlton's first this year;

Carlton are looking to off load their pick 8 (De Koning compensation) for a future first.

If you're lower or around Carlton in position you wouldn't do it, so we are a likely target given its a fair bet we drop down in a less academy affected draft.

So our future pick 12-14 for pick 8, which will be 10.

We will then have 8 and 14 to target Essendon 4, with a second coming back (Ess 22), or Ricmond 3 and a future 2nd to get Sharp.

If that doesn't work, we are in the range of Marsh or Cumming for our first, then Barker/ Nairn/ LeRay, or Curtin with our second.

We could still do this if we target Oliver, but if Petracca we could offer a 2027 first (Tassie draft and 2025 first), leaving the trade with Carlton open to pick up Cumming.

No chance. How confident are you we back up this year again? If Reid does that trade and we end up giving away a top 10 pick in a better draft to get in this year he would be the laughing stock of the comp.

Its always an awkward conversarion as the list manager is the only guy who cant just assume each year will be better than the last.

Thats before you consider any potential trading possibilities next year.

Realistically there would be a bidding war if we put our future first on the table.

 

[pjcrows]

Fort can mark, read the play and not kick the ball off his shin.

 

[Scorpus]

I absolutely agree- my point is that Crows fans often go "Oh yeah but Rankine and Rachele" when we're talking about our top line players. Yes they are, but they aren't blue chip mids and never will be.

We need to address the midfield properly (we needed to years ago) or we'll have another group of talent pissed away.

We've wasted a year not developing one of the only top end pure mids we've recruited

Can't make that mistake again

 

[Crow till I die]

We've wasted a year not developing one two of the only top end pure mids we've recruited

Can't make that mistake again

FTFY..Edwards is there as a 1st round mid we drafted and refused to develop in the middle too

 

[NTRabbit]

Geelong going well every year with recruits up the ying yang every season there surely must be some decent prospects getting squeezed out

Exactly what we should be targeting

This is where I disagree - Geelong goes after those recruits because they don't have any decent prospects, these players aren't getting squeezed out so much as shown the door because they haven't made it and aren't going to make it.

 

[kirky]

Can't make that mistake again

You want to make a bet.

 

[1990crow]

I absolutely agree- my point is that Crows fans often go "Oh yeah but Rankine and Rachele" when we're talking about our top line players. Yes they are, but they aren't blue chip mids and never will be.

We need to address the midfield properly (we needed to years ago) or we'll have another group of talent pissed away.

Counter argument on Rachele - how would anyone know? He's not been played in the midfield.

And on the rare occasion hes had CBAs his clearance numbers are very good.

 

[kirky]

FTFY..Edwards is there as a 1st round mid we drafted and refused to develop in the middle too

Instead numbnuts puts Murphy in the midfield in the SANFL. Genius stuff.