List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[FR0GGY]

I love the idea you put forward but to do this properly...and quickly will involve trading players out.
The bigger the fish we trade out, the bigger the fish we might catch. For example... Jake Soligo for a player like Zac Bailey. (Hypothetical) Or, Josh Rachelle for Harry Sheezel.

I'm not sure how I feel about these sorts of trade just yet, especially with still under developed talent aplenty to spread their wings as footballers.

Would love to know the last side that won a flag that traded out a significant piece.
They all seem to add without losing anything.

 

[George CantStandYa]

We are a couple of players and a good senior coach away.

We are a couple of A grade mids and a good senior coach away and a good ruck

 

[Mostyn]

We've wasted a year not developing one of the only top end pure mids we've recruited

Can't make that mistake again

Why haven't we developed Draper?

He's had the same path that developed Curtin and Worrell. Why is it that most good clubs - Sydney, Geelong, Hawthorn - get congratulated for how they develop players through the VFL, but were doing something wrong?

I'm not sure there's much evidence of success with the North model of rushing high picks in, whether they're ready or not.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We are a couple of A grade mids and a good senior coach away

You forgot a ruck

 

[GreyCrow]

I'm not sure there's much evidence of success with the North model of rushing high picks in, whether they're ready or not.

Yet in the next post you will praise Nicks for Michalanney , Rachele etc

 

[Mostyn]

We're pretty good at pissing talent away.....and not developing them either.

Worrell, Max, Curtin, Soligo, Rachele, Thilthorpe - all young players we've developed, all with different development paths to the seniors.

If Edwards is our only development complaint, maybe it's that they're trying to find a role he can actually succeed in at the top level? He hasn't been a CBA mid much at all in his career - my memory is that he was an outside wingman as a junior.

Look, I also get frustrated but I don't presume they're doing things because they're idiots. They're trying to give the players the best chance to succeed

 

[Danger in Texas]

Worrell, Max, Curtin, Soligo, Rachele, Thilthorpe - all young players we've developed, all with different development paths to the seniors.

If Edwards is our only development complaint, maybe it's that they're trying to find a role he can actually succeed in at the top level? He hasn't been a CBA mid much at all in his career - my memory is that he was an outside wingman as a junior.

Look, I also get frustrated but I don't presume they're doing things because they're idiots. They're trying to give the players the best chance to succeed

I’d be happy if Cheddar ended up on the wing, has the tools to succeed there

 

[Crowked]

Edwards is the one we haven’t developed. He hasn’t played a game. He’s a big bodied mid we drafted surely to play midfield and we’re playing him at HB in SANFL. He should have been tried by now. Even just a sub game or 2. Something. I was hoping we were trying to get a defensive mindset into his game before giving him a full time midfield role, but we haven’t and now we’ve just made him another pretty average HBF. If I was him I’d be looking for a trade. He’s one season from the the scrap heap.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Worrell, Max, Curtin, Soligo, Rachele, Thilthorpe - all young players we've developed, all with different development paths to the seniors.

If Edwards is our only development complaint, maybe it's that they're trying to find a role he can actually succeed in at the top level? He hasn't been a CBA mid much at all in his career - my memory is that he was an outside wingman as a junior.

Look, I also get frustrated but I don't presume they're doing things because they're idiots. They're trying to give the players the best chance to succeed

Pedlar, Taylor, Jones, Edwards, all first round drafted mids who haven’t been developed as midfielders, so there’s that.

And you dont presume the club are ever capable of getting anything wrong, you’ve always got their back, even if means changed your opinion to back theres which is theirs is plenty evidence of.

 

[Mutineer]

I love the idea you put forward but to do this properly...and quickly will involve trading players out.
The bigger the fish we trade out, the bigger the fish we might catch. For example... Jake Soligo for a player like Zac Bailey. (Hypothetical) Or, Josh Rachelle for Harry Sheezel.

I'm not sure how I feel about these sorts of trade just yet, especially with still under developed talent aplenty to spread their wings as footballers.

How often do good/average footballers get traded for top line footballers directly or even indirectly though?

 

[ABAB]

Edwards is the one we haven’t developed. He hasn’t played a game. He’s a big bodied mid we drafted surely to play midfield and we’re playing him at HB in SANFL. He should have been tried by now. Even just a sub game or 2. Something. I was hoping we were trying to get a defensive mindset into his game before giving him a full time midfield role, but we haven’t and now we’ve just made him another pretty average HBF. If I was him I’d be looking for a trade. He’s one season from the the scrap heap.

He played more midfield last year in the SANFL when Murphy was in the AFL side but we need to make a position for Murphy this year in the SANFL who was eventually delisted lol.

 

[119others]

On a cheerful note, once Brisbane draft Annable and assuming he lives up to the hype, its entirely possible their primary midfield will contain 4 players that they got via f/s and academy for way under real value that equate to probably 3 top 5 picks (ashcroft brothers and possibly Annable) and another 1st round pick (Fletcher).

How on earth can we expect to compete with that leg up

No team can compete with their extraordinarily talented 6-8 mids. I’ve been a Lions member for a few years and seeing the elite youngsters coming thru. It’s scary and can’t be replicated. That’s both Ashcrofts and Fletcher who Zorko rates as their most important player. Even Marshall is going to be very good. Annable top 5. McC, Bailey (if he stays) and Rayner with plenty of years left. Neale, Dunkley…

Truly scary and why the dynasty talk is heating up as it’s actually hard to see them not winning 2 or 3 more flags with this group. The only team with a comparably quality squad going into 2026 IMO - Suns. All QLD GFs coming up.

Reidy needs to start creating salary inflation with W Ashcroft 9 years @ 1.5m+ for starters.

Get M Davis to help poach - identify best targets and help seal the deal - of a Lions player per year. Ah Chee is a good start

 

[Cromulant]

We are a couple of A grade mids and a good senior coach away and a good ruck

I dont even think we need a good ruck, one that can hit the ball with his foot would do.

 

[Fud#3]

Pedlar, Taylor, Jones, Edwards, all first round drafted mids who haven’t been developed as midfielders, so there’s that.

And you dont presume the club are ever capable of getting anything wrong, you’ve always got their back, even if means changed your opinion to back theres which is theirs is plenty evidence of.

Taylor was pick 44...not a first rounder

Jones was played wing for a lot of his 90 odd games...but agree, he hasn't developed

 

[Syd Crow]

Worrell, Max, Curtin, Soligo, Rachele, Thilthorpe - all young players we've developed, all with different development paths to the seniors.

If Edwards is our only development complaint, maybe it's that they're trying to find a role he can actually succeed in at the top level? He hasn't been a CBA mid much at all in his career - my memory is that he was an outside wingman as a junior.

Look, I also get frustrated but I don't presume they're doing things because they're idiots. They're trying to give the players the best chance to succeed

True, the club has been really excellent over the last 25 years hasn't it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Edwards is the one we haven’t developed. He hasn’t played a game. He’s a big bodied mid we drafted surely to play midfield and we’re playing him at HB in SANFL. He should have been tried by now. Even just a sub game or 2. Something. I was hoping we were trying to get a defensive mindset into his game before giving him a full time midfield role, but we haven’t and now we’ve just made him another pretty average HBF. If I was him I’d be looking for a trade. He’s one season from the the scrap heap.

2025 is only Edwards 2nd season .....not every player comes on early, particularly midfielders

Most people admit we can't have players, like Crouch, who are one position players .....so teaching players like Edwards secondary roles, like HBF, and IIRC he's also played WING, is a good thing early in his career ....until his body matures

Lastly, he didn't exactly bang the door down in the SANFL .....and the comment "he should have been tried by now" is simply supporters wanting to see the new toy ....as if magically they'll be the next big thing ....then sink the boots in when they're not

 

[spenze]

We also actually need a decent ruck, lets talk about how good darcy fort is. The bloke grabs the ball out of the ruck and kicks it forward how many times a game, hes just smashed 2 GF's in a row, severely underrated. Yet we persist with a hack ROB who could only dream of doing what fort has in back to back grand finals.

Watching him hit his mifielders with his taps, not use his head in a ruck contest and when in doubt, punch it forward was depressing when you see our ruckman: especially after that finals series effort

 

[Syd Crow]

Edwards is the one we haven’t developed. He hasn’t played a game. He’s a big bodied mid we drafted surely to play midfield and we’re playing him at HB in SANFL. He should have been tried by now. Even just a sub game or 2. Something. I was hoping we were trying to get a defensive mindset into his game before giving him a full time midfield role, but we haven’t and now we’ve just made him another pretty average HBF. If I was him I’d be looking for a trade. He’s one season from the the scrap heap.

Great that we put so many games into Murphy and Boyle in our SANFL midfield. We sure know how to develop players....

 

[kirky]

2025 is only Edwards 2nd season .....not every player comes on early, particularly midfielders

Most people admit we can't have players, like Crouch, who are one position players .....so teaching players like Edwards secondary roles, like HBF, and IIRC he's also played WING, is a good thing early in his career ....until his body matures

Lastly, he didn't exactly bang the door down in the SANFL .....and the comment "he should have been tried by now" is simply supporters wanting to see the new toy ....as if magically they'll be the next big thing ....then sink the boots in when they're not

So you reckon it is better to put midfield games into spuds like Murphy and topup players rather than actually developing midfielders, which is our biggest need.

The SANFL for the Crows is all about developing players, not trying to win flags etc. If we play finals and win flags all the better but it is all about development.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Dyson Sharp or Sam Cumming is who we need to draft for our midfield.

If we were to get Oliver what would that cost pick wise roughly?

 

[Crowked]

2025 is only Edwards 2nd season .....not every player comes on early, particularly midfielders

Most people admit we can't have players, like Crouch, who are one position players .....so teaching players like Edwards secondary roles, like HBF, and IIRC he's also played WING, is a good thing early in his career ....until his body matures

Lastly, he didn't exactly bang the door down in the SANFL .....and the comment "he should have been tried by now" is simply supporters wanting to see the new toy ....as if magically they'll be the next big thing ....then sink the boots in when they're not

And some young players suit the cleaner, quicker ball movement at AFL level. I agree about adding strings to his bow. Just give him a look. We had heaps of opportunities to have that look and took none of them. Playing players we were delisting in the midfield ahead of him was just plain stupid. We’re 2 years in and don’t know if he’s any good. We knew Murphy wasn’t 2 years ago.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And some young players suit the cleaner, quicker ball movement at AFL level. I agree about adding strings to his bow. Just give him a look. We had heaps of opportunities to have that look and took none of them. Playing players we were delisting in the midfield ahead of him was just plain stupid. We’re 2 years in and don’t know if he’s any good. We knew Murphy wasn’t 2 years ago.

Selection authenticity is critical in team sports .....I like Edwards, like how he's developing ....but he has to earn the opportunity .....and then it's dependent on a role opening up

Murphy only played this year, because there wasn't another player in a 50/50 call warranting the role .....players are weeded out of team lists only when a replacement is available

We also don't know if Ryan is any good after two years .....the raps are good, and he looks good to the eye .....however his performances also didn't warrant a lookey see

Nankervis you'd think is next man up for 2026 .....he has those multiple strings to his bow now, and 2026 has to be Cook's year .....he's making positive advancements in his game & is a natural FWD

 

[spenze]

Selection authenticity is critical in team sports .....I like Edwards, like how he's developing ....but he has to earn the opportunity .....and then it's dependent on a role opening up

Murphy only played this year, because there wasn't another player in a 50/50 call warranting the role .....players are weeded out of team lists only when a replacement is available

We also don't know if Ryan is any good after two years .....the raps are good, and he looks good to the eye .....however his performances also didn't warrant a lookey see

Nankervis you'd think is next man up for 2026 .....he has those multiple strings to his bow now, and 2026 has to be Cook's year .....he's making positive advancements in his game & is a natural FWD

Seriously?

This is why we are a rung below, "players in the SANFL have to earn a spot with repeated BOGs and then need a role opening up."

Good teams get them in, see how they go at a tier above because that is the defining reason they should be continuing. We all saw Murphy is a tier below AFL, got to see it over 100 times and even though we were going to delist him...and Nicks is on that committee, we played Murphy.

I'd go as far as to say Cooks effort against Hawthorn when he was the invisible man, on the back of a dozen games the year before should have him at the back of the line.

Good teams get their youngsters in on the back of a decent game and give them a few games to see how they go. We don't and even worse, we play our number 4 draft pick as a sub for 2 months and then banish him. The difference between Draper in the first trial match to the last game is an indictment on the midfield coach and the club that spends soft cap dollars employing him.

 

[Crow till I die]

Seriously?

This is why we are a rung below, "players in the SANFL have to earn a spot with repeated BOGs and then need a role opening up."

Good teams get them in, see how they go at a tier above because that is the defining reason they should be continuing. We all saw Murphy is a tier below AFL, got to see it over 100 times and even though we were going to delist him...and Nicks is on that committee, we played Murphy.

I'd go as far as to say Cooks effort against Hawthorn when he was the invisible man, on the back of a dozen games the year before should have him at the back of the line.

Good teams get their youngsters in on the back of a decent game and give them a few games to see how they go. We don't and even worse, we play our number 4 draft pick as a sub for 2 months and then banish him. The difference between Draper in the first trial match to the last game is an indictment on the midfield coach and the club that spends soft cap dollars employing him.

For starters, the SANFL coach just has to be told that no matter what, we are going to blood our younger players in their preferred positions and stop trying to fit round pegs into square holes. No more top up players taking time from the young mids in the guts...so when they get a call up, they would be used to playing as centre square mids.

 

[kirky]

For starters, the SANFL coach just has to be told that no matter what, we are going to blood our younger players in their preferred positions and stop trying to fit round pegs into square holes. No more top up players taking time from the young mids in the guts...so when they get a call up, they would be used to playing as centre square mids.

Football isn’t rocket science. If a youngster is recruited as a midfielder play him in the midfield in the SANFL not some spud who is going to get delisted.