List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Vader]

Seems like a question for Vader but I don't believe so.

Here's what the AFL Rules have to say (taken from Section 6.2):

(d) Number of Draft Selections
(i) At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 8.6, 10.11(a), 13.4(b), 14.4(d) and 15.8(b)); and
(B) no Club may exercise more than 3 Draft selections if the consequence would be that it would exceed the number of Players which it is entitled to include on its Primary List pursuant to these Rules.
(ii) If a Club, prior to the National Draft Selection Meeting, has committed to draft a Player at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting that Player will be deemed to be included on the Club’s Primary List when determining how many Draft selections a Club is entitled to exercise at the National Draft Selection Meeting.

My reading of that is that PSD selections do NOT count towards the minimum 3x ND selections. This seems pretty clear from clause (d)(ii).

 

[1990crow]

Here's what the AFL Rules have to say (taken from Section 6.2):

My reading of that is that PSD selections do NOT count towards the minimum 3x ND selections. This seems pretty clear from clause (d)(ii).

Yes. Means you need 3+1 spots free.

 

[jackster83]

If we delist Burgess does that give us three or four list spots free?

 

[Danger in Texas]

If we delist Burgess does that give us three or four list spots free?

Four, plus two rookie spots

So we’ll need to delist and re-rookie someone like Jones to take the minimum three selections + Ah Chee

 

[jackster83]

Four, plus two rookie spots

So we’ll need to delist and re-rookie someone like Jones to take the minimum three selections + Ah Chee

Thanks.

 

[George CantStandYa]

If we delist Burgess does that give us three or four list spots free?

Kelly said as it stands at the moment we have 4 list spots, but he also went to name a bunch our under 23s as midfielders, most aren’t playing midfield, so there’s that.

 

[Banrock]

Looking at the draft picks that GC (15, 18, 24, 29, 36) and Brisbane (17, 23) and their respective academy players, it likely that all those picks will get used to match bids. Include Carlton (9, 11) with Harry Dean, Sydney with Max King

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(31,32,42) that means that our picks 48 could move up 10 or more spots to 38 ish,55 & 64 could move up even more with a few more club-tied players (see below) to 42 & 50 ish in the open draft which is a lot better. So our 3 later picks might put us in the range for BOB, Byrne, heatherton etc which would be a good haul I would think.

I would like to see the above draftees that have potential taken now and a few others that have had 5-6 years in the system to be delisted etc. I know we might be reducing depth but we do have 4-5 guys that have been in the system for a few years now (edwards, Ryan, Dowling, taylor, pedlar etc) that would be able to cover any injuries and allow these new guys to have a couple of years in the sanfl to build body strength etc.

 

[Big Dub]

Here's what the AFL Rules have to say (taken from Section 6.2):

My reading of that is that PSD selections do NOT count towards the minimum 3x ND selections. This seems pretty clear from clause (d)(ii).

Genuine question: how did we only take Draper and Welsh last year rather than 3 picks?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Genuine question: how did we only take Draper and Welsh last year rather than 3 picks?

By upgrading rookies ....that counts still

 

[AFC979810]

Kelly said as it stands at the moment we have 4 list spots, but he also went to name a bunch our under 23s as midfielders, most aren’t playing midfield, so there’s that.

Lucky for us we have accumulated 8 draft picks.

 

[bigman]

Kelly said as it stands at the moment we have 4 list spots, but he also went to name a bunch our under 23s as midfielders, most aren’t playing midfield, so there’s that.

Look, it’s hard to keep an eye on list spots AND the bee at the same time.

 

[Big Dub]

By upgrading rookies ....that counts still

Yeah, I thought that, but couldn't think who we upgraded.

Think Keane might need to be upgraded this year, but not sure.

 

[DJ75]

Looking at the draft picks that GC (15, 18, 24, 29, 36) and Brisbane (17, 23) and their respective academy players, it likely that all those picks will get used to match bids. Include Carlton (9, 11) with Harry Dean, Sydney with Max King (31,32,42) that means that our picks 48 could move up 10 or more spots to 38 ish,55 & 64 could move up even more with a few more club-tied players (see below) to 42 & 50 ish in the open draft which is a lot better. So our 3 later picks might put us in the range for BOB, Byrne, heatherton etc which would be a good haul I would think.

I would like to see the above draftees that have potential taken now and a few others that have had 5-6 years in the system to be delisted etc. I know we might be reducing depth but we do have 4-5 guys that have been in the system for a few years now (edwards, Ryan, Dowling, taylor, pedlar etc) that would be able to cover any injuries and allow these new guys to have a couple of years in the sanfl to build body strength etc.


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Must be nice getting these academy based top 10 picks every year...

 

[Slim258]

Yeah, I thought that, but couldn't think who we upgraded.

Think Keane might need to be upgraded this year, but not sure.

Pretty sure we upgraded him when we gave him that extension last year?

 

[bigman]

Must be nice getting these academy based top 10 picks every year...

AFL really didn’t realise what creating two vastly different economies would do.

Or maybe they did and they just don’t care.

 

[crows dude]

Here's what the AFL Rules have to say (taken from Section 6.2):

My reading of that is that PSD selections do NOT count towards the minimum 3x ND selections. This seems pretty clear from clause (d)(ii).

ii) If a Club, prior to the National Draft Selection Meeting, has committed to draft a Player at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting that Player will be deemed to be included on the Club’s Primary List when determining how many Draft selections a Club is entitled to exercise at the National Draft Selection Meeting.

My reading is the opposite. It says it will be included. That tells me that we only need to make two selections if we have committed to drafting a third at the pre season draft.

 

[crows dude]

Yeah, I thought that, but couldn't think who we upgraded.

Think Keane might need to be upgraded this year, but not sure.

Hes already on the senior list.

 

[flashcrow]

I think this is a good breakdown of where we are at. (some of you might need to turn subtitles on):

 

[Vader]

Genuine question: how did we only take Draper and Welsh last year rather than 3 picks?

We promoted Keane to the senior list.

Source: https://www.afc.com.au/news/1696063/crows-list-update

 

[Vader]

ii) If a Club, prior to the National Draft Selection Meeting, has committed to draft a Player at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting that Player will be deemed to be included on the Club’s Primary List when determining how many Draft selections a Club is entitled to exercise at the National Draft Selection Meeting.

My reading is the opposite. It says it will be included. That tells me that we only need to make two selections if we have committed to drafting a third at the pre season draft.

No... that's saying that if a club has 5 list vacancies now, but have committed to taking a player in the PSD, then they are only allowed to make 4 selections at the ND.

It doesn't alter the requirement to make 3 selections at the ND, whereas rookie upgrades do count towards this total.

 

[Vader]

Hes already on the senior list.

Confirmed: https://www.afc.com.au/news/1696063/crows-list-update

 

[spenze]

Welsh, Cook, Jones - take your pick.

Honestly, delist Cook or Jones and be done with it, could even do both

 

[Cromulant]

Honestly, delist Cook or Jones and be done with it, could even do both

Of the 3, Welsh looks the least like an AFL footballer.

Thats not great for him.

 

[spenze]

Of the 3, Welsh looks the least like an AFL footballer.

Thats not great for him.

He has scope for improvement; the other two are what they are now. I'd pay out Cook and move on, he'd go missing in a final... which to be fair, our whole squad did this year but I see him as a liability

 

[crow2crow]

I wonder if there is any plan to move someone from the senior list to the rookie list?

Still feels like there’s a lot of dead wood to cut from the list and some roles that need to be addressed, but no room to do it.

i can smell sholl being delisted and rookied at a minimum