List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Greenfinger]

So how many list spots do we have ?

 

[Crow-eater]

So how many list spots do we have ?

3 main, 1 rookie.

 

[Crow till I die]

3 main, 1 rookie.

2 after we take Ah Chee. So unless we delist someone else, its going to be a lean draft for us

 

[Crow-eater]

2 after we take Ah Chee. So unless we delist someone else, its going to be a lean draft for us

We have to delist/re-rookie someone to take the mandatory 3 picks in the draft. Whether we also upgrade a rookie to only take 2 picks remains to be seen. Will likely be announced before list lodgement on Oct 31.

 

[Danger in Texas]

2 after we take Ah Chee. So unless we delist someone else, its going to be a lean draft for us

Nah still 3, Ah Chee in PSD doesn’t count towards the 3 mandatory ND selections/rookie upgrades

As Croweater said, we need to delist and re-rookie a senior list player to make it work

 

[Crow till I die]

We have to delist/re-rookie someone to take the mandatory 3 picks in the draft. Whether we also upgrade a rookie to only take 2 picks remains to be seen. Will likely be announced before list lodgement on Oct 31.

I wonder who we delist to re rookie?. Maybe sholl?

 

[1990crow]

I wonder who we delist to re rookie?. Maybe sholl?

Yeh only Sholl really makes sense. Or Jones.

 

[Mutineer]

I see a standard U/18 no pressure ball gatherer. ( I want to see how he handles real pressure)

Outside player , mostly left sided but good on both - good delivery and good awareness

No great knocks but I didnt see any more burst from stoppage than Sid had - and there were times I thought Sid clone

I reckon he ends up a back flanker with good delivery

Nah, we'd have to disagree, Fred has Sid covered skills, composure and footy I.Q wise, just doesn't have Sid's express pace and X factor that's not to say he's slow he's not. Will be a very good AFL player IMO.

He is not an outside player either he is a genuine inside/outside mid with a well developed inside game and runs hard both ways whether in possession or not.

Of the genuine mids that are likely to be available at our 1st pick I see him as definitely one of the better options.

 

[Crow till I die]

Yeh only Sholl really makes sense. Or Jones.

They wouldn't ask tex if he was happy to do it? I guess that causes a risk of a side actually trying to get him in the rookie draft then which the club does not want

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

I wonder who we delist to re rookie?. Maybe sholl?

Why not Tex, just for a chuckle and to point out the stupidity of some AFL rules.

Surely it’s time to ditch the rookie list and just have primary lists of 42 players (plus the cat rookies).

Edit; you Maxwell Smarted me Crows till I die.

 

[crow2crow]

Not even close...

You can see the average list ages here: https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2025

Collingwood had the oldest list, with an average of 26.2 years (at whatever cutoff date the site uses). At the other end of the spectrum, Norf players averaged 23.6 years. That's a difference of 2.6 years between top and bottom. Collingwood are a real outlier - 0.8 years older than the 2nd oldest team (Brisbane).

Adelaide averaged 24.8 years, giving us the 7th oldest list (not the bottom half as you asserted). Decreasing Adelaide's average age would only drop us down below Carlton, into a group of teams (Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Fremantle) all on 24.5 years.

Of course, every team's average age will change next year, depending on the age of their departing players and recruited players. We'll need to wait to see the final lists to see where we stand - though I suspect we'll still be around the middle of the pack.

Yeh but I'm not sure how he got 0.3 down. My calc says its down by 1.375 years per player. 55/40

 

[GreyCrow]

Nah, we'd have to disagree, Fred has Sid covered skills, composure and footy I.Q wise, just doesn't have Sid's express pace and X factor that's not to say he's slow he's not. Will be a very good AFL player IMO.

He is not an outside player either he is a genuine inside/outside mid with a well developed inside game and runs hard both ways whether in possession or not.

Of the genuine mids that are likely to be available at our 1st pick I see him as definitely one of the better options.

Thats fair. We will wait and see

 

[hugecannon]

3 main, 1 rookie.

So if we move someone- like Sholl- to the rookie list, then we miss out on taking anyone else in the rookie draft.

It’s Disappointing given the success we used to have in the rookie draft in the past.

 

[Vader]

Yeh only Sholl really makes sense. Or Jones.

Or Cook.

Those are the 3 most likely, and you'd struggle to find a 4th candidate.

 

[dogs105]

Maybe ....but we're not drafting players to play year 1 .....we're trying to project 3-4 years down the track, as to who the best "finished" player will be

Personality, and drive to improve, are equally important with kids at this age .....and the hardest to forecast

Good point

 

[Caputo]

We have to delist/re-rookie someone to take the mandatory 3 picks in the draft. Whether we also upgrade a rookie to only take 2 picks remains to be seen. Will likely be announced before list lodgement on Oct 31.

Maybe not required depends if we Father/Son Stevens and is not drafted we can Rookie List automatically. Or an alternative that we pass on 3rd Pick and hope Stevens gets through or not match bid. Otherwise isn't there a List Lodgements done before Rookie & PSD Draft.

From Google AI:

• Primary list: The primary list can have a maximum of 38 players.
  
  
• Rookie list: Each club can have a maximum of six eligible Category A rookies and three eligible Category B rookies.

 

[dogs105]

Yeh but I'm not sure how he got 0.3 down. My calc says its down by 1.375 years per player. 55/40

Plus ~40 as the squad is all 12 months older.

 

[crow2crow]

Plus ~40 as the squad is all 12 months older.

irrelevant as that applies to all teams and we are talking relevative numbers. its 55 years off across 40 players. thats not 0.3 per player no matter how you cut it. this is a major major cleanout. adding walker would have made little more difference.

 

[dogs105]

irrelevant as that applies to all teams and we are talking relevative numbers. its 55 years off across 40 players. thats not 0.3 per player no matter how you cut it. this is a major major cleanout. adding walker would have made little more difference.

You just asked where the 0.3 came from

 

[1990crow]

Or Cook.

Those are the 3 most likely, and you'd struggle to find a 4th candidate.

I think there'd be more of a risk of someone like Port taking Cook than Jones.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Next year’s delisting/retirements seem pretty obvious unless some of these players improve dramatically.

Tex - retire
Sholl - delist
Cook - Delist
Borlase - Delist
Jones - Delist
Welsh - Delist

Amongst our older players, I expect Hinge and Laird to get another contract.

Some of our younger players may be seeking opportunities elsewhere; Dowling, Berry, Pedlar, Edwards, Ryan, Taylor and Butts. I am however hopeful that a couple of these cement a spot in our best 23 next year.

 

[crow2crow]

Next year’s delisting/retirements seem pretty obvious unless some of these players improve dramatically.

Tex - retire
Sholl - delist
Cook - Delist
Borlase - Delist
Jones - Delist
Welsh - Delist

Amongst our older players, I expect Hinge and Laird to get another contract.

Some of our younger players may be seeking opportunities elsewhere; Dowling, Berry, Pedlar, Edwards, Ryan, Taylor and Butts. I am however hopeful that a couple of these cement a spot in our best 23 next year.

They wont delist Jones as they will try to orchestrate a trade to Tassie whether thats next year of year after. Only chance of getting something for him.

Hinge another contract but not Laird. Z Taylor will be gone after his one year contract probably delisted.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

They wont delist Jones as they will try to orchestrate a trade to Tassie whether thats next year of year after. Only chance of getting something for him.

Hinge another contract but not Laird. Z Taylor will be gone after his one year contract probably delisted.

Laird?

Based on Coaches votes, Brownlow votes, AFC B&F votes; how did Laird compare to our other medium/small defenders?

Only in AFC Bigfooty land is Laird a spud.

He will need to drop off a lot if he is to be delisted in a year’s time.

 

[cmndstab]

0.3 per player is massive so not sure what are you talking about. There’s only 1 year ish between top and bottom and we were in the lower half already

Check this year's numbers out for yourself: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1341020...he-oldest-and-youngest-teams-of-2025-revealed

Excluding the clear outlier of Collingwood, there's around 2 years gap from top to bottom. Assuming everyone else stays the same (which they obviously won't) dropping 0.3 would only move us a couple of spots.

 

[cmndstab]

irrelevant as that applies to all teams and we are talking relevative numbers. its 55 years off across 40 players. thats not 0.3 per player no matter how you cut it. this is a major major cleanout. adding walker would have made little more difference.

Every club is about to delist several players and draft a handful of kids. If we disregard the year everyone ages up then every club is about to have a decrease in average age. And most will be drafting in more 18 year olds than us.

Look, I agree that we're about to get younger as a squad. Just not dramatically so.