List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Vader]

Here's what the 2023-2027 AFL & AFLW CBA has to say on Post Season Leave:

(i) An AFL Player will be entitled to Leave between their Club’s Season Conclusion Date and Recommencement Date (Post Season Leave).
(ii) A Club’s Season Conclusion Date will be the Tuesday after the Club’s final Match of the AFL Season, except that:
...
(iii) In each year, the Recommencement Date will be as follows, provided that there is no material change to the end date of the AFL Season:
(B) the Recommencement Date for Clubs that participated in the AFL Finals Series will not be prior to the first Monday in December;
(D) a Club may require AFL Players with four or less years on an AFL List to return for off-field player development activities one week prior to its Recommencement Date where the Club participated in the AFL Finals Series;
(F) each AFL Player will receive a minimum of six weeks Leave prior to the Recommencement Date.

** I have removed clauses which are not relevant to Adelaide's situation, for reasons of brevity.

Adelaide's Season Conclusion Date was Tuesday 16th September. According to the CBA, our senior players are due back at training on Monday 1st December, with the 1-4 year players due on Monday 24th November.

 

[Gtowncrow]

He's on holiday in South America with Keays, Worrell, O'Brien and Michaelanney.

Max looks shredded.

Altitude training.
Good work boys.

 

[StonesThrow]

Is there a draft thread?

I see they've released Hamish pre draft comments, which are basically the same as every year. 'Open minded, select best available at first pick, needs with second, pick swaps make things more complicated etc.'

Saying we're likely to make only two ND selections

 

[Vader]

Is there a draft thread?

I see they've released Hamish pre draft comments, which are basically the same as every year. 'Open minded, select best available at first pick, needs with second, pick swaps make things more complicated etc.'

Saying we're likely to make only two ND selections

Not sure how that works, given that we haven't upgraded any rookies this year.

 

[crows dude]

Not sure how that works, given that we haven't upgraded any rookies this year.

All I have been able to find is that you must have three list spots. Nothing that you have to make three selections.

 

[crows dude]

This is the official quote i the afl draft explainer

Under AFL rules, clubs must have at least three list senior list vacancies in order to take part in the national draft.

 

[1990crow]

This is the official quote i the afl draft explainer

Under AFL rules, clubs must have at least three list senior list vacancies in order to take part in the national draft.

That would mean you can take 2 and have a train on

 

[crows dude]

That would mean you can take 2 and have a train on

Thats how i have read it. We will draft two but keep our options open for a third. Then draft AhChee leaving one open spot for a train on if we dont draft a third. But hey if Vader or anyone can find where it says we must draft 3 players including rookie upgrades please show me.

 

[Vader]

That would mean you can take 2 and have a train on

No.

Here's what Section 6.2 of the AFL Rules (2025) has to say:

(d) Number of Draft Selections
(i) At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 8.6, 10.11(a), 13.4(b), 14.4(d) and 15.8(b)); and
(B) no Club may exercise more than 3 Draft selections if the consequence would be that it would exceed the number of Players which it is entitled to include on its Primary List pursuant to these Rules.
(ii) If a Club, prior to the National Draft Selection Meeting, has committed to draft a Player at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting that Player will be deemed to be included on the Club’s Primary List when determining how many Draft selections a Club is entitled to exercise at the National Draft Selection Meeting.

Those rules which allow clubs to forfeit selections are as follows:
8.6 - Father/Son selection (which takes place during the draft anyway)
10.11(a) - Rookie upgrade
13.4(b) - Inclusion of International Scholarship List player on Primary List
14.4 (d) - Club Academy Players (which takes place during the draft anyway)
15.8(b) - Qualified NGA Players (which takes place during the draft anyway)

None of these are applicable to Adelaide in 2025. Therefore we are obligated to "exercise a minimum of 3 Draft Selections" at the ND. Given that we are (presumably) committed to taking Ah Chee in the PSD, clause (ii) prevents us from making more than 3 ND selections.

 

[UcantCme]

This is the official quote i the afl draft explainer

Under AFL rules, clubs must have at least three list senior list vacancies in order to take part in the national draft.

Which means they can hold a spot open for a SPP selection

Wonder if we have Hollands in mind ?

 

[1990crow]

Which means they can hold a spot open for a SPP selection

Wonder if we have Hollands in mind ?

You'd think we'd find out shortly

 

[Hodgy]

No.

Here's what Section 6.2 of the AFL Rules (2025) has to say:

Those rules which allow clubs to forfeit selections are as follows:
8.6 - Father/Son selection (which takes place during the draft anyway)
10.11(a) - Rookie upgrade
13.4(b) - Inclusion of International Scholarship List player on Primary List
14.4 (d) - Club Academy Players (which takes place during the draft anyway)
15.8(b) - Qualified NGA Players (which takes place during the draft anyway)

None of these are applicable to Adelaide in 2025. Therefore we are obligated to "exercise a minimum of 3 Draft Selections" at the ND. Given that we are (presumably) committed to taking Ah Chee in the PSD, clause (ii) prevents us from making more than 3 ND selections.

Doesn’t taking Ah Chee count? I thought you only had to make 3 draft selections. 2 in ND and 1 in PSD.

Why we are not hitting the best SA draft since 2018 harder is a different question though.

 

[Cromulant]

Doesn’t taking Ah Chee count? I thought you only had to make 3 draft selections. 2 in ND and 1 in PSD.

Why we are not hitting the best SA draft since 2018 harder is a different question though.

Theres a likelihood we'll take an SA kid with our first pick, as for getting higher up..... well other clubs have better hands to play.

 

[Daniel6]

Which means they can hold a spot open for a SPP selection

Wonder if we have Hollands in mind ?

Where does Ah Chee land in that scenario?

 

[Cromulant]

Where does Ah Chee land in that scenario?

Pre season draft

 

[Daniel6]

Pre season draft

So that does leave a list spot for both Ah Chee and Holland or a SSP?

 

[Cromulant]

So that does leave a list spot for both Ah Chee and Holland or a SSP?

If we dont take 3 picks in the ND then yes.

 

[Daniel6]

If we dont take 3 picks in the ND then yes.

Thanks mate.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

No.

Here's what Section 6.2 of the AFL Rules (2025) has to say:

Those rules which allow clubs to forfeit selections are as follows:
8.6 - Father/Son selection (which takes place during the draft anyway)
10.11(a) - Rookie upgrade
13.4(b) - Inclusion of International Scholarship List player on Primary List
14.4 (d) - Club Academy Players (which takes place during the draft anyway)
15.8(b) - Qualified NGA Players (which takes place during the draft anyway)

None of these are applicable to Adelaide in 2025. Therefore we are obligated to "exercise a minimum of 3 Draft Selections" at the ND. Given that we are (presumably) committed to taking Ah Chee in the PSD, clause (ii) prevents us from making more than 3 ND selections.

I agree that it looks like we are obliged to take 3 picks at the draft, but I assume Hamish/Reid know the rules so I am trying to think of ways that we could fit into one of those five categories of forfeited selections.

- For rookie upgrade - has the window close to do this? Could we do it after the draft? If so it would make sense to keep our options open at this stage. Plan to take 2 and upgrade a rookie later, but if someone we like slides, we can take 3.

- For rookie upgrade - could we have done it but not publicised it? Seems unlikely.

- International Scholarship List - could that be Indy Cotton? Could we be putting him on our primary list instead of our Cat B rookie list? Seems unlikely and would leave us with no room on our rookie list one we re-draft Welsh, which is inconsistent with what Hamish said about leaving open the opportunity for SSP.

 

[1970crow]

I agree that it looks like we are obliged to take 3 picks at the draft, but I assume Hamish/Reid know the rules so I am trying to think of ways that we could fit into one of those five categories of forfeited selections.

- For rookie upgrade - has the window close to do this? Could we do it after the draft? If so it would make sense to keep our options open at this stage. Plan to take 2 and upgrade a rookie later, but if someone we like slides, we can take 3.

- For rookie upgrade - could we have done it but not publicised it? Seems unlikely.

- International Scholarship List - could that be Indy Cotton? Could we be putting him on our primary list instead of our Cat B rookie list? Seems unlikely and would leave us with no room on our rookie list one we re-draft Welsh, which is inconsistent with what Hamish said about leaving open the opportunity for SSP.

Surely it’s as simple as upgrading a rookie and taking 2 in the draft. That’s the main list filled following Ah Chee and a spare spot on the rookie list after taking Welsh.

 

[crows dude]

Surely it’s as simple as upgrading a rookie and taking 2 in the draft. That’s the main list filled following Ah Chee and a spare spot on the rookie list after taking Welsh.

Who though
Mcandrew or Borlase

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Surely it’s as simple as upgrading a rookie and taking 2 in the draft. That’s the main list filled following Ah Chee and a spare spot on the rookie list after taking Welsh.

Yeh. I mean, I get how the maths works.

But we haven't upgraded a rookie. At least not that has been announced. So what I'm wondering is...

Have we done it but not announced it yet?

Or have we not done it yet and if we haven't, how late can we do it? If we haven't done it, are we allowed to do it after the draft? If that's an option, then we would have the flexibility to take 3 picks if someone we like is still there later on.

Ultimately - are we going into the draft knowing that it is two picks and two picks only? Or are we going into the draft planning to take two picks, with the option to change that plan if we want to and use a third pick.

 

[Crow-eater]

Yeh. I mean, I get how the maths works.

But we haven't upgraded a rookie. At least not that has been announced. So what I'm wondering is...

Have we done it but not announced it yet?

Or have we not done it yet and if we haven't, how late can we do it? If we haven't done it, are we allowed to do it after the draft? If that's an option, then we would have the flexibility to take 3 picks if someone we like is still there later on.

Ultimately - are we going into the draft knowing that it is two picks and two picks only? Or are we going into the draft planning to take two picks, with the option to change that plan if we want to and use a third pick.

Okay so according to Cal, we can upgrade someone after the draft. Looks like we're keeping options open.

Scenario 1: Take all 3 live picks
Scenario 2: Take 2 live picks and upgrade someone (Likely McAndrew) after the draft. We then have 2 rookie spots, 1 for Welsh and either a live rookie pick or SSP selection.

 

[Vader]

Doesn’t taking Ah Chee count? I thought you only had to make 3 draft selections. 2 in ND and 1 in PSD.

Why we are not hitting the best SA draft since 2018 harder is a different question though.

No, the PSD doesn't count. Section 6 of the AFL Rules document specifies the rules for the National Draft. The rules governing the Pre-Season Draft are specified in Section 7.

The rule states that "each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections", which means 3 players need to be selected in the ND.

Clause (ii) of that rule basically means that while our senior list currently has 4 vacancies, we're only allowed to make a maximum of 3 selections in the ND as we need to leave space for selecting Ah Chee in the PSD.

 

[Vader]

So that does leave a list spot for both Ah Chee and Holland or a SSP?

We will be making 3x live picks in the ND and selecting Ah Chee in the PSD. We don't currently have any vacancies for signing players in the SSP.

It's possible someone may come down with a season ending injury between now and the end of pre-season training, allowing us to put them on the Inactive List and select a replacement via the SSP. We don't have any such injuries at present, and I sincerely hope that we won't suffer any over the pre-season either.