List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Caputo]

So what do you think about our !st pick being Mitch Marsh as the media with Phantom Drafts have group think as Pick 21

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

So what do you think about our !st pick being Mitch Marsh as the media with Phantom Drafts have group think as Pick 21

Historically none of those phantom drafts have a clue but i like it his old man was a great talent who got hurt by injuries

 

[Mostyn]

Clubs are moving up the order by doing deals with other rubbish clubs, not ones expected to finish high on the ladder.

Ironic first sentence.

What's ironic? You said something a bit dumb and a whole bunch of posters pointed it out.

FFS, Carlton has been desperate to trade their picks, and the very best offer they got for 11 was 25 and a F2. Multiple sides are trying to trade out of this year, and there's no buyers.

 

[FR0GGY]

What's ironic? You said something a bit dumb and a whole bunch of posters pointed it out.

FFS, Carlton has been desperate to trade their picks, and the very best offer they got for 11 was 25 and a F2. Multiple sides are trying to trade out of this year, and there's no buyers.

You know why they are trading out though surely?

 

[1970crow]

What's ironic? You said something a bit dumb and a whole bunch of posters pointed it out.

FFS, Carlton has been desperate to trade their picks, and the very best offer they got for 11 was 25 and a F2. Multiple sides are trying to trade out of this year, and there's no buyers.

Don’t Carlton have F/S reasons for trading out though? Who else wants to trade out?

 

[Untouchables22]

Don’t Carlton have F/S reasons for trading out though? Who else wants to trade out?

Correct, two lots of F/S reasons really.

1. Making sure Dean doesn't swallow up unnecessary points;
2. Moving points into 2026 draft for Cody Walker next year.

 

[StonesThrow]

So what do you think about our !st pick being Mitch Marsh as the media with Phantom Drafts have group think as Pick 21

This the least I've ever seen our board talk about draft picks. Probably the last interested I've been as well. Didn't watch any u18 games this year

 

[Golumless]

It’s certainly a year when it not only makes sense, but is entirely possible to move up. Carlton x 2, Hawthorn, GC, GWS and Brisbane have all indicated they would like to trade their 1sts out of this year. I’ve never seen a buyers market like this and instead we are apparently actually planning on trading out our second pick this year for a F3.

Buyers markets in drafts happen for a reason, that being, it's a rather nothing crop of prospects.

Historically none of those phantom drafts have a clue but i like it his old man was a great talent who got hurt by injuries

Opposite, really. Thowmey is usually dead on for the first 10 or so picks before the draft becomes too random.

 

[Golumless]

So what do you think about our !st pick being Mitch Marsh as the media with Phantom Drafts have group think as Pick 21

Should it happen? Eh, it's a solid, played with a straight bat kind of pick.

Likely Marsh is a 2027 ETA considering our list at the moment, but we do have to face the post-Tex world eventually and Mitch looks a potential solution there; so there is a need. Otherwise, it's a kid who's 191 cm, good overhead, and an aerobic beast (apparently), so as long as the ball winning is there (if it was, he wouldn't be going 21 in this draft, so it's a watch), he should have the tools to end up somewhere in a best 22.

 

[Hodgy]

Buyers markets in drafts happen for a reason, that being, it's a rather nothing crop

Yes, they do definately happen for a reason. However, while it’s a weak draft, it is a draft that is heavily biased towards SA talent. The question is, does a good SA draft, as well as other clubs wanting to trade out mean we should be taking advantage, or should we be like the other 17 clubs and sit it out?

35 years in business makes me see it as an opportunity, however everyone obviously has their own views. The discussion was more about a poster suggesting that we aren’t doing anything to move up because we don’t have the collateral, which is clearly not true.

 

[Golumless]

Yes, they do definately happen for a reason. However, while it’s a weak draft, it is a draft that is heavily biased towards SA talent. The question is, does a good SA draft, as well as other clubs wanting to trade out mean we should be taking advantage, or should we be like the other 17 clubs and sit it out?

35 years in business makes me see it as an opportunity, however everyone obviously has their own views. The discussion was more about a poster suggesting that we aren’t doing anything to move up because we don’t have the collateral, which is clearly not true.

I don't think players from SA really makes a difference in this discussion. Ultimately to trade up in the first round, you need to have someone in mind which fixes a looming list problem, and all the better if they're South Australian. Later on its just where the cards fall that determine if you're moving.

Whilst I think Sharp probably fits that bill (and considering the smoke has been if we are to trade up, it's for Dyson), I also doubt you'll look back on the decision to trade up to Sharp too fondly. The league has been turning that kind of clearance first brutes who aren't quick/damaging with ball in hand into niche players (and the strike rate for these type of one safe picks has been somewhat underwhelming in recent years).

 

[DJ75]

Yes, they do definately happen for a reason. However, while it’s a weak draft, it is a draft that is heavily biased towards SA talent. The question is, does a good SA draft, as well as other clubs wanting to trade out mean we should be taking advantage, or should we be like the other 17 clubs and sit it out?

35 years in business makes me see it as an opportunity, however everyone obviously has their own views. The discussion was more about a poster suggesting that we aren’t doing anything to move up because we don’t have the collateral, which is clearly not true.

You don't move up just for the sake of it.

I think as a club we have done the right thing. We spoke to Carlton and looked at moving up, but I suspect we backed off once we realised our targets (Sharp or Cumming) would be gone by then. We decided then to hold our pick in the 2026 draft as there is talent there we want to target (or a trade perhaps).

 

[StonesThrow]

I think it's a bit of a myth that elite clearance players don't have the same value anymore. Maybe if they have suspect disposal.

From what I saw of sharp last year and his highlights this year, I think he's got decent skill by hand and foot and makes good decisions. Looks to have pretty good composure. He's definitely no Jackson Hately

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Jackson Hately

Age

25

Ht

191cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.4

3star

D

17.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

.

Not sure why he's being talked down.

 

[Hodgy]

I don't think players from SA really makes a difference in this discussion. Ultimately to trade up in the first round, you need to have someone in mind which fixes a looming list problem, and all the better if they're South Australian. Later on its just where the cards fall that determine if you're moving.

Whilst I think Sharp probably fits that bill (and considering the smoke has been if we are to trade up, it's for Dyson), I also doubt you'll look back on the decision to trade up to Sharp too fondly. The league has been turning that kind of clearance first brutes who aren't quick/damaging with ball in hand into niche players (and the strike rate for these type of one safe picks has been somewhat underwhelming in recent years).

I usually tend to agree about targeting local talent, however the other side of this is that so much media attention originates from Victoria that I’ve come to believe that our kids get overly discounted because of it. For example, if this years SA under 18 side was Vic Metro, and had gone undefeated, then I absolutely believe that this draft would receive more hype.

Guys like Blake Oudshorn-Bennier, Matt Leray and Jed Dahlitz all have A grade disposal and have had great years, but simply don’t get mentioned.

Latrelle Pickett seems absolutely perfect for us btw, and someone we could clearly get if we wanted. He would allow, Rankine, Rachelle and even Pedlar to spend more time in the midfield, he gives us raw pace that we lack, and he provides defensive pressure from our forward line which was so lacking this year. He is also 20 and on a steep trajectory which means we don’t know how good he can be once in a professional system, but also means he should be able to contribute next year.

 

[Cromulant]

I usually tend to agree about targeting local talent, however the other side of this is that so much media attention originates from Victoria that I’ve come to believe that our kids get overly discounted because of it. For example, if this years SA under 18 side was Vic Metro, and had gone undefeated, then I absolutely believe that this draft would receive more hype.

Guys like Blake Oudshorn-Bennier, Matt Leray and Jed Dahlitz all have A grade disposal and have had great years, but simply don’t get mentioned.

Latrelle Pickett seems absolutely perfect for us btw, and someone we could clearly get if we wanted. He would allow, Rankine, Rachelle and even Pedlar to spend more time in the midfield, he gives us raw pace that we lack, and he provides defensive pressure from our forward line which was so lacking this year. He is also 20 and on a steep trajectory which means we don’t know how good he can be once in a professional system, but also means he should be able to contribute next year.

Dont get the Pickett hype myself.

He might turn out fantastic, but he's a 20yo SANFL Reserves footballer.

 

[Hodgy]

Dont get the Pickett hype myself.

He might turn out fantastic, but he's a 20yo SANFL Reserves footballer.

Because 12 months earlier he was mucking around in Lincoln playing footy occasionally and went to kicking 4 goals on league debut for Glenelg. His agility is off the charts and he clearly has innate goal sense, but his acceleration is also very dynamic. He would immediately be the fastest player in our side. He also has never done any professional pre seasons except half of 1 this year with the Bays, so who really knows what he can be.

Definitely boom or bust, but I feel with our current list, those gambles are worth taking. I also feel that we are currently over reliant on Rankine and Rachelle, and having them both out last year hurt both our midfield AND our goal scoring ability. Two things that will not be helped in the slightest if we take Mitch Marsh.

 

[GreyCrow]

Because 12 months earlier he was mucking around in Lincoln playing footy occasionally and went to kicking 4 goals on league debut for Glenelg. His agility is off the charts and he clearly has innate goal sense, but his acceleration is also very dynamic. He would immediately be the fastest player in our side. He also has never done any professional pre seasons except half of 1 this year with the Bays, so who really knows what he can be.

Definitely boom or bust, but I feel with our current list, those gambles are worth taking. I also feel that we are currently over reliant on Rankine and Rachelle, and having them both out last year hurt both our midfield AND our goal scoring ability. Two things that will not be helped in the slightest if we take Mitch Marsh.

Will he respond to structure because we are system focused

What pick are you using?

 

[Hodgy]

Will he respond to structure because we are system focused

What pick are you using?

Doesn’t look like he will be there at 16 so would need to trade up with GWS I would imagine. As for systems. Look I personally think we are too system based sometimes, and players like Rankine and Rachelle could be even better with a touch more freedom, however I would say that if they can buy in, then anyone could.

 

[Cromulant]

Doesn’t look like he will be there at 16 so would need to trade up with GWS I would imagine. As for systems. Look I personally think we are too system based sometimes, and players like Rankine and Rachelle could be even better with a touch more freedom, however I would say that if they can buy in, then anyone could.

And who says GWS want to do that.

Its all well and good to say "We aren't going hard enough for SA kids" when youve got little idea as to whether we tried or not.

 

[GreyCrow]

Doesn’t look like he will be there at 16 so would need to trade up with GWS I would imagine. As for systems. Look I personally think we are too system based sometimes, and players like Rankine and Rachelle could be even better with a touch more freedom, however I would say that if they can buy in, then anyone could.

I agree on your point about systems

I'm not sure I'm spending pick 16 on him

Good luck to him if he proves me wrong

 

[Mutineer]

Latrelle Pickett competed at the State Combines in the 20m and Agility tests and didn't make the top 5 in either.

In fact Mitch Stevens was the 2nd quickest player all up behind Oskar Taylor across both Combines

Noah Roberts-Thompson was SA's best clearly in both the speed and agility tests across both combines

Latrelle Pickett played 19 games in 2024
15 for Tumby Bay and 4 games for Great Flinders in the Mortlock Shield

20m (s)
Mitch Stevens (VIC) - Gippsland Power: 2.885
Marcus Krasnadamskis (VIC) - Eastern Ranges: 2.887
Ryda Luke (WA) - South Fremantle: 2.889
Rod Ali (VIC) - Eastern Ranges: 2.896
Thomas McGuane (VIC) - Western Jets: 2.938

Agility
Dale Sutherland (WA) - Perth: 7.883
Rod Ali (VIC) - Eastern Ranges: 7.958
Charlie Banfield (WA) - Claremont: 8.031
Harry Scott (VIC) - Richmond VFL: 8.076
Ryda Luke (WA) - South Fremantle: 8.081

For reference the AFL National Draft Combine top 10's

20m sprint

Name	State	Clubs	Time (sec)
Oskar Taylor	VIC M	Eastern Ranges/South Belgrave	2.823
Tylah Williams	WA	Swan Districts/Redcliffe	2.892
Hunter Holmes	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers/Old Melburnians	2.895
Avery Thomas	TAS	Tasmania Devils/Launceston	2.898
Thomas Burton	VIC M	Western Jets/Point Cook	2.915
Noah Roberts-Thomson	SA	Sturt/Unley	2.916
Blake Thredgold	SA	Sturt/Payneham Norwood Union	2.918
Cooper Duff-Tytler	VIC M	Calder Cannons/Woodend-Hesket	2.922
Sam Grlj	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers/Old Camberwell	2.926
Max King	NSW	Sydney Swans Academy/Cardiff	2.929

Agility

Name	State	Clubs	Time (sec)
Lachlan Dovaston	VIC M	Eastern Ranges/Blackburn	7.794
Oskar Taylor	VIC M	Eastern Ranges/South Belgrave	7.840
Xavier Taylor	VIC M	Eastern Ranges/East Ringwood	7.869
Tylah Williams	WA	Swan Districts/Redcliffe	7.878
Avery Thomas	TAS	Tasmania Devils/Launceston	7.887
Noah Roberts-Thomson	SA	Sturt/Unley	8.024
Jacob Farrow	WA	West Perth/Joondalup Kinross	8.034
Jevan Phillipou	SA	Woodville-West Torrens/PHOS Camden	8.089
Zeke Uwland	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy/Burleigh	8.108
Harry Kyle	NSW	Sydney Swans Academy/UNSW-ES Bulldogs	8.116

 

[Redline]

Doesn’t look like he will be there at 16 so would need to trade up with GWS I would imagine. As for systems. Look I personally think we are too system based sometimes, and players like Rankine and Rachelle could be even better with a touch more freedom, however I would say that if they can buy in, then anyone could.

All AFL clubs are system based though. Maybe a bit more obvious with us but you have to be. You get killed on turnover against the good teams.

 

[crows dude]

Useful graphic JAD made

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Need this updated as Welsh not on list. So four open spots

 

[Hodgy]

And who says GWS want to do that.

Its all well and good to say "We aren't going hard enough for SA kids" when youve got little idea as to whether we tried or not.

Because Cal Twomey and many others have stated on multiple occasions that GWS and Hawthorn are looking to move back or even into next year. That means that picks 9, 10, 11 and 12 (as well as GC & Bris at 15 & 18) have been, or are still, available. That’s not me wishing, that’s been reported multiple times by multiple sources.

As I’ve said previously, it’s fine to have the opinion that the price is too high, it’s just not correct to say that the opportunity is not there.

 

[Hodgy]

All AFL clubs are system based though. Maybe a bit more obvious with us but you have to be. You get killed on turnover against the good teams.

Agreed, however there is different levels of system based. I’m perfectly happy with our game plan, however decisions like starting Rachelle as sub in the last game, because that’s how we always bring back injured players, is taking it way too far. And all great sides have their Rankines, Dusty’s or Stevie J’s who create havoc by going off script. Trying to totally coach that out of them will not help the side in the long term. There has to be a balance.