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This is blatantly false though, we all heard the radio call.
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Wtf, Karun going on about Oscar being behind pace all weekend, not understanding that all that matters is where you're at for the last laps. What a dickhead! Then he had to relinquish the spot because poor Lando had some bad luck in a pitstop. It's official we are all being gaslit and it's driving me insane.
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I’m mean it’s not even plausible. Lando wants Charles in front of Oscar.
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But Charles wasn't gaining FFS
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Another thought, if the point was to protect Oscar from Leclerc, why did Norris have no trouble holding him off, once he fell behind Oscar?
Utter woke nonsense. Oscar had a 32-second gap on Charles when he pitted, and a Monza stop costs about 27 seconds. Pitting one lap earlier than his teammate made absolutely no difference in defending against Charles.
And your claim that Lando deserved it because he had more race pace is flat-out wrong. Before the stops, Oscar closed the gap from 5.6 seconds on lap 40 to 3.2 seconds by lap 45. A slow pit stop is part of racing.
If the exact same scenario had played out with Lando stopping first and Oscar second, Oscar still would’ve had track position. The pit order had zero impact on the outcome.
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PIA LEC Lap 40 1.22.296 1.22.298 41 1.22.619 1.22.272 42 1.22.419 1.22.035 43 1.22.369 1.21.818 44 1.22.404 1.21.738
As Norris started lap 40, Oscar was 30 seconds clear of Leclerc.
For comparison,
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1.22.621 (down 0.3 sec)
1.23.449 (down 1 sec)
1.22.590 (down 0.2 sec)
1.22.904 (down 0.5 sec)
1.22.388 (fractionally ahead)
So he had lost 2 seconds in laps 40-44 to Oscar.
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Sorry but this is why we needed Max close to the MCL for the championship as this shit wouldn't of happened... No way even if MCL was stupid enough to ask Oscar to give the place if Max is within striking distance points wise does he listen.
Even Max was laughing at them biggest joke of a team ever.
Even Max was laughing at them biggest joke of a team ever.
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2am and 4am I just.go to bed early and wake up early, watch the race and go to work, which is where I am now.
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It wasn't really about strategy though was it? Their strategy, which we heard on the radio and which was actually suggested by Lando was for Oscar to come in first and to not undercut Lando, which we heard the team agree wasn't going to happen. No dramas with that, Lando had earnt that for the race.
That they stuffed up his pit stop is bad luck for him. That's the sort of stuff you stay up for to see happen live. You watch races which are snoozefests and then the pay off is something like this when the unexpected happens.
As Eddie Everywhere tells us all the time, live sport is the best reality tv on the planet.
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Lando actually told them to, "pit the other car first as long he doesn't undercut me, or else I'll come in first".
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Bit by bit Lando will eat into Oscars lead until we get to the end when suddenly Oscar will have a DNF.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
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Don't forget they pitted Oscar early to avoid the undercut from Charles who was 3-4 secs behind Oscar, after the pit wall told Oscar that a one stopper wasn't possible. Lando then proceeded to one stop and win.
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The constructors is wrapped up, let them race honestly.
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So that WDC just kinda shows that McLaren has NFI what they are doing.
It's a race, you have P2 and P3, and you're having chats "I'll box, no wait box the other one if no undercut" cause you CBF thinking about a slow pit instance, have it cause front left screw stuck again and you look at the WDC and racing incident of a slow stop and go "yeah we said no undercut to only one driver, Oscar can you slow down so Lando can go past, thanks".
We reaching around for fun times cause you can't manage a race?
It's 6 points sure but the can of worms that is just there cause Papaya really want to be Barney and friends that they're screwing the WDC into a joke.
Did a bit lol in Quali that Oscar gave a tow so Lando could get an easier Q3 instance and positional things in quali as an engineered solution. I'm Webber, I'm throwing a chair out a window in disgust about this race.
Also, hows Pirelli, mediums coulda done a one stop work if there was no forced alt tyre instance. Like, what the hell.
It's a race, you have P2 and P3, and you're having chats "I'll box, no wait box the other one if no undercut" cause you CBF thinking about a slow pit instance, have it cause front left screw stuck again and you look at the WDC and racing incident of a slow stop and go "yeah we said no undercut to only one driver, Oscar can you slow down so Lando can go past, thanks".
We reaching around for fun times cause you can't manage a race?
It's 6 points sure but the can of worms that is just there cause Papaya really want to be Barney and friends that they're screwing the WDC into a joke.
Did a bit lol in Quali that Oscar gave a tow so Lando could get an easier Q3 instance and positional things in quali as an engineered solution. I'm Webber, I'm throwing a chair out a window in disgust about this race.
Also, hows Pirelli, mediums coulda done a one stop work if there was no forced alt tyre instance. Like, what the hell.
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The thing that gets to me for people saying the bias isn’t clear. Name one instance this season in which a decision by McLaren has favored Oscar. Just name one time where it hasn’t come down to pace or luck that Oscar has been given any advantage over Lando.
You won’t be able to, because it hasn’t happened. Happened plenty of times the other way though.
You won’t be able to, because it hasn’t happened. Happened plenty of times the other way though.
Yep the tyres!!!!
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Had the team asked if he could pit second to sure up P3 and he agreed only if his position was safe, then switching back would have been justified.
In reality the team said he was first, he replied with how about Oscar first and the team agreed. Should have ended there but Norris added that he would only go through with HIS plan if he was safe from it going wrong.
**** off, you want to make the decision, you live with the consequences
In reality the team said he was first, he replied with how about Oscar first and the team agreed. Should have ended there but Norris added that he would only go through with HIS plan if he was safe from it going wrong.
**** off, you want to make the decision, you live with the consequences
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On reflection after a good night's sleep...
Should Lando have asked for the swap and/or McLaren requested it? No, slow pit stops are a part of racing. Difficult to imagine the request even being considered if the gap in the WDC was closer.
Yes, Lando did nothing wrong himself. But neither did Oscar. Of course, Lando finishing P2 ahead of Oscar would have been zero issue if the front left wheel gun did not malfunction for Lando's pit stop - and there would be no such request for a swap.
But Oscar is playing the long game. For the sake of a 6 point turnaround (far smaller than the 14 point difference between P1 and P2), he demonstrates he is a team player. Of course, plenty to play for and losing the WDC by a smaller margin than 6 points is a possibility, but Oscar knows he has the pace to win and he could very well need Lando's help in the future. He is undoubtedly not the favoured driver in McLaren, ignoring their request here would lead possibly even less favourable outcomes when they are battling for P1 in a race.
He has at least proven he wouldn't do a Lando in Hungary last year and sulk about it for a few laps before eventually yielding, so that already is a a major plus. Behind closed doors, I have little doubt Oscar is voicing his displeasure, but in public you have to be supportive of the decision - you win the WDC with team support, not in spite of it.
We move onto Baku with Oscar still having a 31 point lead and the majority of the F1 community on his side. Given the events of Saturday I think all of us here on BigFooty would have taken it, just that it has come about in a different way rather than a boring procession on Sunday.
Should Lando have asked for the swap and/or McLaren requested it? No, slow pit stops are a part of racing. Difficult to imagine the request even being considered if the gap in the WDC was closer.
Yes, Lando did nothing wrong himself. But neither did Oscar. Of course, Lando finishing P2 ahead of Oscar would have been zero issue if the front left wheel gun did not malfunction for Lando's pit stop - and there would be no such request for a swap.
But Oscar is playing the long game. For the sake of a 6 point turnaround (far smaller than the 14 point difference between P1 and P2), he demonstrates he is a team player. Of course, plenty to play for and losing the WDC by a smaller margin than 6 points is a possibility, but Oscar knows he has the pace to win and he could very well need Lando's help in the future. He is undoubtedly not the favoured driver in McLaren, ignoring their request here would lead possibly even less favourable outcomes when they are battling for P1 in a race.
He has at least proven he wouldn't do a Lando in Hungary last year and sulk about it for a few laps before eventually yielding, so that already is a a major plus. Behind closed doors, I have little doubt Oscar is voicing his displeasure, but in public you have to be supportive of the decision - you win the WDC with team support, not in spite of it.
We move onto Baku with Oscar still having a 31 point lead and the majority of the F1 community on his side. Given the events of Saturday I think all of us here on BigFooty would have taken it, just that it has come about in a different way rather than a boring procession on Sunday.
It's a 6-point turnaround in the WDC which isn't insignificant. Not sure Lando would've done the same based on his 15 laps of whinging in Budapest in what was a genuine undercut and he wasn't even leading the championship.
Sky F1 Commentary Team got one thing right. They said the Tifosi are the most knowledgeable racing fans in the world. Their "cheering" of Lando on the podium tells me this is true.
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He was definitely slow on that final Q2 lap when he had to help his faster teammate who was sitting in 11th out.
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Now I was half asleep last night, but I’ve seen people saying Oscar was allowed to come in first as Norris allowed it, but it seemed like Lando wanted to see what Oscar’s side did first?
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