Autopsy 2025 Rd 1 Most Embarrassing Loss in Years

[Arr0w]

Cannot disagree more.
It's McRae's most important aspect of coaching. I'm not saying he's a great coach, but he won a flag with a pretty average list.

You would be surprised to know that Fly isn't the brains behind the gameplan or tactics, especially in his flag year. While he has great footy knowledge like most coaches, what he actually excels in, is driving positive mindsets, essentially sport above the shoulders

 

[Gavstar]

A 5 metre handball from Doc to Jsos missing by 2 metres? Gov 20 metre switch of play to an open Lucas dropping 2 metres short?

That is different to say instructions on where to set up on a forward as a defender, depending on space between the ball carrier and recipient and knowing where the hurt factor is tyo being beaten

They way you train is the way you play. Do our players train under any semblance of real pressure?

 

[JustaBattler]

You would be surprised to know that Fly isn't the brains behind the gameplan or tactics, especially in his flag year. While he has great footy knowledge like most coaches, what he actually excels in, is driving positive mindsets, essentially sport above the shoulders

Perhaps why our soon to be new CEO chose him ahead of Voss.

 

[blueboy25]

The key to winning football matches is pretty simple.

Win the football, control the football and keep it off our opponents.

We struggled in controlling the football which meant we couldn't keep it of our opponents. We made simple errors and rightfully got punished for them.

If we can clean that up then we will be fine, if we can't we are in for a long year.

 

[17in25]

We made the worst sub last night. Cooper Lord was playing great and combining with Cripps and Walsh often.

Motlop, Evans, Williams all should have been subbed before Lord and MUCH earlier!

 

[kingkingston]

The key to winning football matches is pretty simple.

Win the football, control the football and keep it off our opponents.

We struggled in controlling the football which meant we couldn't keep it of our opponents. We made simple errors and rightfully got punished for them.

If we can clean that up then we will be fine, if we can't we are in for a long year.

Yes it is..................Kick straight at goal when you have the chance. that was last night's story

 

[JustaBattler]

Motlop, Evans, Williams all should have been subbed before Lord and MUCH earlier!

I thought Motlop, Evan and Williams didn't play in the last 3 quarters last night alongside their mate Fogarty.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Still mad

 

[The Bighouse]

Lucky that was just a praccy and the season starts next week, right guys? Guys?

We’ve been bundled out of the pre-season night series…

 

[kingkingston]

Lucas Camporeale was pretty good

 

[Crippa#9]

The title of the thread is accurate.
We have no excuses.
Great facilities
Top line talent
Members to burn
A soft draw
A largely healthy list
What’s missing? Culture, commitment, mongrel, care, effort but most of all a sustainable game plan that can withstand pressure. We sh*t ourselves against a group pimply teenagers, on day one. Well done young tigers!
I have zero faith in our coaching group.
The fish rots from the head and that head is M Voss. This is his team this is year 4.
Faith lost. Trust breached.

We lost to a team with 3 x 18yo debutants & 13 players with under 50 games experience. Our gun, 200cm Coleman Medallist got torched by a guy plucked out of the WAFL last year and playing just his 4th game.

We had All Australians on almost every line (Cripps, Walsh, Saad, Docherty, Weitering, Haynes, McKay)

The optimist in me says we simply had a dirty half of football and if not for basic skill errors and inefficiency going forward we win relatively comfortably.

The realist in me says this club has been preaching 'consistency' & 'defence first' all pre-season and we could not have more inconsistent or easy to move the ball against from the 10 minute mark of the 2nd qtr.

Massive, massive alarm bells. I'm actually a bit heartbroken that it is a very real possibility we've squandered achieving anything with this list.

Dreading next Thursday night.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Okay, this is good approach and starting point

It's difficult to emulate real games at training or practice matches

We saw last week with the Pies, if you pressure is low or can't combat opposition pressure, you won't get a positive outcome

To me, this is the starting point of the modern game, pressure. This also is shared responsibility.

Players with high footy IQ adapt and drive on field standards to drive the collective group. Coaches need to act quicker with messaging to either take the heat out of the game and or make tactical change to increase pressure levels

Not one player was was responsible for our lack of intent, not one coach, it's a collective approach

Ultimately, it rests on the coach to change his mindset and approach, to change player buy in

Interesting point Arrow and I like hearing your opinion.

I went to last nights game without much confidence, reason, their was expectation on us to win and win well. But this was a new season, so I thought I was just being negative, a new season, new ideas. Right?

Voss now has the remainder of the season to work his craft. His game plan - quick ball movement to our talls, and try to hit targets or put it to the top of the goal square. Teams clog our forward line and run it out and get over the back as this young side did on most occasions last night. Hawks game plan - clog the defensive fwd line and run the ball forward and get goals out the back. What has Voss got up his sleeve?

• There is still too much of a difference between our best and worst performances.
• Half way through the 2nd qtr momentum began to swing their way. Okay regroup at half time and attack the game again - wasn't working, we were holding on for a win and became too defensive - no change from the coaches.
• Last qtr, game over, make changes because he had to.

I wasn't upset at the end of the game, because like the Adelaide game last year, you could see it unfolding, to me, this shows we haven't learnt from our past failings.

If our coaches can not get the best out of this group for the remainder of the season, then something has to give because our best are in their prime. Whether that is new coaches around Vossy, if he is their choice, or player trade outs and I'm talking big name players. Or both.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So you believe that game was only based on coaching ?

Where did I say that? I've made many posts about things that went wrong already...

I obv want to focus on the coaching part of it here...

Does need to make some changes to the side, can't accept certain behaviours

Main response I want to see is an acceptable consistent level of pressure, at which point I believe it will give us a better understanding of what is failing and what are our strengths

Yeah but what's "some changes" dropping Evans and Motlop for Fantasia and Charlie?

 

[Stamos]

You would be surprised to know that Fly isn't the brains behind the gameplan or tactics, especially in his flag year. While he has great footy knowledge like most coaches, what he actually excels in, is driving positive mindsets, essentially sport above the shoulders

Not surprised (and I'm not saying he's a great coach), but my point was his coaching priorities, and the head coach sets the tone for the club.
Footy fundamentals is his top priority, and the Filth do the fundamentals very well for their talent level. That list had no business winning a flag, but they got there.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Watching from ground level last night - the umpiring - WTF AFL

Totally different to what they were pushing last season, no protection for the man playing the ball, 2 holding the ball decisions that I could recall that were actually paid? (146 Tackles)

I'm talking both ways, I don't feel it favoured either side, just a complete flip on what they were pushing last season.

Twice in the first qtr, Kemp was nearly KO'd with front on spoils, he was very lucky with the second one. The first should a have been a 50 as it was late and this would have prevented the 2nd from the same player.

But I'm sure this professional organisation know what they are doing?

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Bad kicking is bad football. Richmond kicked straight and we didn't. That is the story. We missed some easy shots on goal.

That’s the story?

It’s a page in story the size of War & Peace.

Our kicking for goal was not the reason we lost.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

For mine the players make the silly/basic errors because they have no faith in what they are supposed to be doing. Constantly second-guessing themselves and bottling it under pressure, because the 'game plan' simply does not stand up to pressure.

That's on the coach.

 

[manang magoos]

We play an outdated game style, we don't pressure and contest, we have no structure...we are closer to a rebuild than finals. The golden 2015 crop is getting on...

All this after just one game who about we show some faith and back the team
If you can’t take the bad don’t go and watch

 

[Stamos]

Watching from ground level last night - the umpiring - WTF AFL

Totally different to what they were pushing last season, no protection for the man playing the ball, 2 holding the ball decisions that I could recall that were actually paid? (146 Tackles)

I'm talking both ways, I don't feel it favoured either side, just a complete flip on what they were pushing last season.

Twice in the first qtr, Kemp was nearly KO'd with front on spoils, he was very lucky with the second one. The first should a have been a 50 as it was late and this would have prevented the 2nd from the same player.

But I'm sure this professional organisation know what they are doing?

I thought they were actually pretty even, but the non-50 to Kemp was totally inexplicable.
And who knows how the game would have ended up if he was kicking from the goal-line where he should have been?

 

[ferrisb]

I watched a clip of Sam Mitchell talking to his other coaches, where the entire focus was around training with extreme pressure & aggression to instill confidence in the players. I can't say for sure, but watching both teams play - Hawthorn look like they've trained to perform under extreme pressure, and Carlton look like they've trained to perform in perfect conditions under no pressure.

The uncontested kick-mark style played in the first quarter and a half was perfect for taking the heat out of the game but they could never get back to that. Even that needs work because for all the careful buildup we still ended up bombing it long inside 50 each time.

After Q1, the Tiges put constant pressure on the ball carrier.

We simply couldn't handle or out-maneuverer it.

 

[17in25]

Can someone explain why we routinely get smashed exiting d50 and turn it over?
At the same time we gift opposition an easy outlet kick to 50 and then kind of corral - rather than truly pressure and HOPE to get it back on the wing?
This can’t be the strategy surely?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Maybe Voss is better at boundary level where he can talk straight to the players when they come off

I think Jeff fell asleep during one of Voss's inspiring speeches.

 

[katmanblue]

Can we talk about last night? I did not consent to that.

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[Blue Pulse]

Harsh here, Nank is the ne of the most underrated players in the game, he is a great player and is a lot stronger than Tom

So why try and out muscle him? Either a dumb player or dumb coaching or both? Nankervis was BOG

 

[gbatman]

It's evident we work very hard to score. This is our main issue. Exhausting game play, working very hard for very little score really opens us up.

Lack of quality forwards is the main reason. Fogarty, Cottrell, Motlop are not getting games in the real top sides. Williams is borderline.

The main issue is the lack of forwards with an overhead game. Our small blokes offer noting overhead. Guys like Elliott at Collingwood and Eddie Betts would be magic in our forward line because they aren't just ground level players.

Our guys are pure ground level and aren't that good at it because none of them have elite pace.

A journey man or two is fine but two big key forward stars and 4 or 5 makeshift journeymen does not make for a very good forward line.

How often play has to stop because no one is forward and in good position because they aren't good enough or natural forward thinkers is so very frustrating.

On the other side of the coin I thought our disposal was below par. Especially going forward, we kicked to position which is extremely predictable. This shit might work in match sim but real games against other AFL sides eat you up.

We need to go to greater efforts to kick the ball to space, and not to the corridore every single time.

I have been saying this persistently for a number of years now. We have quantity of forward and bugger all quality. There has to be a big clean out at the end of the season and a big recruiting spree of forwards to come into this side. Genuine pace, skill and players who are elite with their thinking.

It was a massive kick in the guts having Smith go down and then Fantasia and Curnow because the cupboard is bare. Also a shame Moir has not come on.

Losing Owies has not helped either. He was a regular goalkicker but he has a forward brain where the others do not. He knows where to run and how to time leads. No one has really stood up to be that replacement. Hoping it's Kemp but again Kemp gets thrown under the bus playing as a key position player which he is not.

Our midfield it too slow. That's not the main issue here. I thought our defence was sloppy but was ok. Expect that round one from all sides.

I've been very critical of our coaching and remain so. I'm seeing nothing from our coaching that inspires me and suggests we're looking at modern game tactics.

Years end we need to bring in some serious tactical nouse and some genuine forwards.