Autopsy 2025 Rd 4 Blues to petition AFL to halve the length of games

[Soapy V]

Yep. Did you catch Adam Simpson's segment on AFL 360? Where he spoke about small bubble / big bubble. That teams start in the small bubble, then burst out when they win the ball to make space and give the ball carrier options.

I looked out for it, and we set up wide so quickly, that by the time the player looks up the ground is already set up defensively and there's no space at all. All we've got is the slow switch (this doesn't work) or the invariable long bomb down the ground.

As I have said all year. A couple of AFL coaches have said we are the easiest team to coach against in the AFL. Sides now pick us a part easily

 

[Faucon Bleu]

Need to make some hard decisions, it hurts me to say this but this club is going nowhere, 30 years of the same shit. Need to trade McKay, Walsh, maybe Cripps as well get some trade capital if we can. We have 6 players who are eating up our salary, we have the same type of midfielders, who have no skill, no speed, nothing zilch.

McGovern needs to go he's playing scared he's not committed to the club, Doc I love you mate you have been a great servant but time to hang up the boots, Young lol, Haynes piss off, Evans piss off, Fantasia go away, Ollie I'm 50/50 on him needs to get more strength.

Williams 800k for what? Some players on our list are stealing their salary's, we are completely down the toilet and no where to go.

It's sad we all know what going to happened every week, this club is no good.

Voss and the MC need to go Voss is the biggest mistake we have made alongside Malthouse, Pagan, Bolton. Voss has no plans, just get the ball out and then what? Voss can't coach I was never happy when we signed Voss but I was ok with the club getting him. But times up we are not going anywhere, we haven't improved teams are flying past us and we are here still talking about a rebuild. Well we need need another rebuild, this is a shit club now, we have become a shit club.

 

[T2B_]

As I have said all year. A couple of AFL coaches have said we are the easiest team to coach against in the AFL. Sides now pick us a part easily

That's absolutely damning really

 

[blues4flag]

One of the worst games I've watched us play. As bad as Richmond was, last night was worse.

Voss was right in the presser. We weren't up to standard. Forget everything else, we did not turn up in the 3rd quarter. As bad a quarter of football as you will ever see.

I understand Voss's reasoning about continuity and keeping the team together. But as the saying goes, the standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

McGovern has mentally checked out. He is horrendously bad. Once a good, if flakey footballer, he just doesn't care any more. He must be dropped. Don't care if there's nobody to bring in, but that standard of play is completely unacceptable from a senior player.

Docherty is finished. You can't question his effort, but he's got nothing left to give physically. Mentally, he's cooked. He's destroying his legacy. If he has any decency, he'll drop himself this week and take it out the coach's hands. Not sure if he retires or goes for an extended stay in the 2s to see if he can squeeze water from a stone.

Not even close to our only problems. Haynes has the turning circle of the Titanic, Kemp goes to ground at every opportunity, Motlop has delusions of adequacy, Hollands is being exposed physically, Young is still Young.

Can't address them all, but need to address something.

 

[Soapy V]

You can put it on the players to some extent...if you just look at ball handling and use as the root cause, blaming it on the players is the easy option.

But when players are confused or have no real clue what the gameplan is, then fumbling and poor execution often follows.

It's much deeper than just a skill issue.

This is my take as well. I find it very hard to rate the playing list (good or bad) when they aren't coached well to start with.

 

[Ezayyak]

I listened to Voss this morning. Same sh1t

Contest, contest, contest. IMO we win the contest and then what?? This is where the problem is and why we are falling a part. We work hard win the contest and then can't score. It wears players down. We have NO answers

We play ugly football and sides pick us a part. Oppositions know if they stay in it with us early we can't kick a big enough score to win

Even at our best with this team, it's still been that player winning a contest and moving it fast that won games, not having a system that means players run and spread and know where teammates will be.

This and this! 100% this. We have zero patterns in moving the ball. The best teams by the end of the year, get to the point they are not even looking at where their teammates are before dishing off the handball or kick. Which means they spend the season perfecting it, where to run to yo be an option etc

OUr lack of system inside 50, exactly the same. Watch the he pies last night, even with us flooding the defence and they are forced to kick to a contest they instinctively know that one player provides the block and pretends to contest the mark to leave the other to go up unimpeded. We never do that.

We are playing primitive footy.

 

[Accidental genius]

You can put it on the players to some extent...if you just look at ball handling and use as the root cause, blaming it on the players is the easy option.

But when players are confused or have no real clue what the gameplan is, then fumbling and poor execution often follows.

It's much deeper than just a skill issue.

Skill execution will always look/be poor when there is a lack of knowing what to do next with the ball in hand.

Some on here are still pointing finger at players and poor skills but these are afl players …they know how to handball kick run etc

Problem is they don’t appear to be drilled well enough in terms of what they need do as a team.

Player X is running thru middle, there is a player running freely 10 m up the ground who has space in front of him …

Instead of hand passing to free player who can run closer to f50 and pin point the next pass he decides to bomb it long which often lands on the chest of an oppo player.

These types of play are not drilled enough into tge players.

They have been well drilled with the dump/hack kick forward game style

 

[Benaly28]

I hope people don’t think just by changing the coach it fixes things.This is a generational problem that has infested the club as accepting mediocrity for decades.

The complete football department needs to go.

One thing about Graham Wright is that he doesn’t have any bias to Carlton and will make decisions based on what he thinks will make us better.

There will be no emotion in his decisions which is what this football club needs.

 

[Soapy V]

This has been a trend now for nearly a year. It is slowly getting worse as players tire of it.

This season we have gone out with same game plan and started well in every game. We still have trouble scoring. Sides stay with us and eventually take us over as the way we play is hard, inefficient and as players tire we have turnovers and teams score.

We can't kick easy team goals and are predictable. We play a style that is NOT AFL standard and it's ugly

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Don’t see it either, though he did record the top speed on the ground according to afl tracker.

He just doesn’t seem to apply his speed to contests - can’t break away.

I’m not sure what he his?

 

[btdg]

You think Doc had a good game? Wow

He had 27 touches playing off the wing @ 63% efficiency in tough conditions, gained 670+ meters (highest on the ground) and was the third highest ranked player on the ground overall, so yeah, he had a good game.

 

[Soapy V]

I hope people don’t think just by changing the coach it fixes things.This is a generational problem that has infested the club as accepting mediocrity for decades.

The complete football department needs to go.

One thing about Graham Wright is that he doesn’t have any bias to Carlton and will make decisions based on what he thinks will make us better.

There will be no emotion in his decisions which is what this football club needs.

100% agree. Nailed it

Major issue I have is when Voss was appointed they knew he wasn't a tactician and they put very average coaches around him. Who of our coaches is a brilliant tactician or a forward thinker of the game? I can't see any

 

[Opium]

Couple of observations from last night - we had a chance to physically take out Daicos with a legal bump during the 3rd quarter, and failed miserably.
This was line in the sand type of game, and we blew it. Our leaders had a chance to impose and didn't take that initiative. What a bunch of nice players we have. Newman would have run right through Daicos. Boy he is missed.
Ollie - sorry bud I've seen enough. Missed tackles because of having no muscles, missing targets in the corridor, its not cutting it any more.
When does he get sent back to work on his game ? It's sickening to watch.

Doc had a perfect opportunity to send him into next week legally and didn't.
We've become anicee, soft football club.

We got rid of our toughest players in Kennedy and Stocker.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

I hope people don’t think just by changing the coach it fixes things.This is a generational problem that has infested the club as accepting mediocrity for decades.

The complete football department needs to go.

One thing about Graham Wright is that he doesn’t have any bias to Carlton and will make decisions based on what he thinks will make us better.

There will be no emotion in his decisions which is what this football club needs.

That’s exactly what we require right now!
Hopefully wright pulls the correct levers

 

[Soapy V]

He had 27 touches playing off the wing @ 63% efficiency in tough conditions, gained 670+ meters (highest on the ground) and was the third highest ranked player on the ground overall, so yeah, he had a good game.

I thought he tried but he was awful. I am a massive fan of Doc but he is really struggling this season. Shadow of the player he was

 

[Opium]

He had 27 touches playing off the wing @ 63% efficiency in tough conditions, gained 670+ meters (highest on the ground) and was the third highest ranked player on the ground overall, so yeah, he had a good game.

He kept kicking blindly long down the line.
Not sure those stats reflect his performance.

 

[jj1978]

Listening to Voss’s press conferences, we don’t even sound like we’re a football club anymore.

Just listen to Voss sounds like we are trying to turn into a dower robot of structure, game plan and being a good bloke/team mate, with no fun or flair (Hawthorn).

Release the shackles FFS.

This sounds weird, listening to Voss (It feels weird, like we’re not even trying to be a football team anymore, like we’re superior)

Voss said “We don’t focus on winning or losing only on the system we want to play”

Don’t hold your breath with changes.

When asked Voss said “We decided, we want to settle the team. The team haven’t played much football together”

Docherty, McGovern, Haynes, Hollands, Motlop, Fogarty & Williams all have free rein of underperforming.

Problem is he hasn’t figured out that our way (led by coaches philosophy) stinks. He’s deluded and confused atm about which way to go. I suggest won’t hurt if he starts making some statements before worrying about settling the team with a bunch of under performing players.

Also the heat on his coaching panel and self reflection wouldn’t go astray either.

 

[JustaBattler]

AFL R4 | Jacob Weitering post-match

Jacob Weitering speaks to Channel 7 after the loss to Collingwood.

www.carltonfc.com.au

This bloke has a clue and plays like it - listen to what he has had to say.

I listened to Voss this morning. Same sh1t

Contest, contest, contest. IMO we win the contest and then what?? This is where the problem is and why we are falling a part. We work hard win the contest and then can't score. It wears players down. We have NO answers

We play ugly football and sides pick us a part. Oppositions know if they stay in it with us early we can't kick a big enough score to win

Soap- Collingwood midfield slaughtered us in Q3 and Q4 so referencing contest wins in the context of last night is way off the mark.

and

Hard to kick goals when you have no ball / territory or forward line...



How does a team go from hitting targets running teh correct overlap angles and scoring despite not hhaving a fiunctioning forward line - to losing clearances fumbling bumbling and missing tackles in the same game of football - week in wek out- thta is TOTALLY on teh players - weak as pizz too many are ...


Docherty/McGovern/Haynes are all experienced developed players and two of them have been AA - they play like C grade idjots = who replaces them? COwan cam off with a hammy - Wiliiams has to go back and you end up with a forward line of Charlie a clueless Motlop and Kemp reversing last weeks form back into nuffery- kudoes to Smith who showed some ability.

As for SELECTION INTEGRITY - Moir comes and and disappears - blowing hard on teh bench after half a quarter...Lord is a kid too developing - thrown into teh team aas a starting mid now- but gets caught and panics or Ollie gets to a million contests and loses most of them and cant stick a tackle - who replaces them?

List is weak and unbalanced and TDK can go to St Kilda for his 2million bucks - good luck to him and them.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

This is obvious though. Every team has done it to us in the second half this season without fail, even going as far back as last season.

Zone off and stack the middle, force the long down the line kick to our tall forwards or ruck, who are 9 times out of 10 outnumbered and beaten in the air. There is no dare, no risk, no run and no one working for each other after half time. We have seriously big problems that I'm now starting to doubt can be addressed this season.

Yes, it is obviously. Everyone does it.

But in an industry where club people shy away from saying things that might give the opposition ammo for next time, but openly say to a journalist that they not only knew exactly what we'd do, specifically said what they did and how they knew we'd react, and were shocked at how easy we made it for them?
This wasn't a private conversation that got overheard, or inviting a journo into the wrong group chat lol. They said it to a journo knowing it would be on TV 10 minutes later.
They have no fear about giving us ammo, and to actually use the word "easy"? That's a total pack of respect. That's pretty big stuff.

 

[jj1978]

I would very respectfully disagree on the good games by Doc and Acres.

Acres first 3 quarters were pathetic but the 4th saw some good form. As for Doc first I’d be visiting spec savers, then have a sit down with the coaches and his manager for some hard discussions.

 

[blues4flag]

He had 27 touches playing off the wing @ 63% efficiency in tough conditions, gained 670+ meters (highest on the ground) and was the third highest ranked player on the ground overall, so yeah, he had a good game.

The opposition don't go near him. They don't care if he wins the footy.

 

[AB_Blue]

Correct, Hardwick actually changed his game plan after 2016. As tiger mates point out to me, he went from a deliberate stop-start stoppage game that worked ok but not good enough to moving the ball at all costs in the front half to create panic and chaos in the opposition defence.

Yeah he did but he didn’t go in with that methodology…he changed with the group
and evolved it with the trends of the modern game…he also had plenty of help around him to make and execute that gameplan…our coaching panel as a group wouldn’t be able to inspire and execute that


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[RAPPA]

We would just about have the highest number of players whom you’d say you question their decision-making and skill execution. It’s so concerning and problematic.

Weitering and JSOS down back are pillars of stability. Everyone around them gives heart in mouth moments whenever they get the ball. Saad I’ll give a pass - I actually rate him in both departments. But Cowan (I know, injured), Ollie, Gov and Haynes - we carry that many players with questionable foot skills and decision making.

Then we go to centre and forward line - how many players can we seriously identify that you would say are reliable in both disposal and decision making? Cerra the only one is closest to hitting both. Charlie is a great kick but not matched with some of his decision making.

The rest are all either terribly bad in one or both departments, or bad in one or both departments.

onus is on the players and the coaches.

 

[Ezayyak]

Skill execution will always look/be poor when there is a lack of knowing what to do next with the ball in hand.

Some on here are still pointing finger at players and poor skills but these are afl players …they know how to handball kick run etc

Problem is they don’t appear to be drilled well enough in terms of what they need do as a team.

Player X is running thru middle, there is a player running freely 10 m up the ground who has space in front of him …

Instead of hand passing to free player who can run closer to f50 and pin point the next pass he decides to bomb it long which often lands on the chest of an oppo player.

These types of play are not drilled enough into tge players.

They have been well drilled with the dump/hack kick forward game style

Yep, exactly. Players skills are worse when the system is a failure and every option is under pressure and a 50/50. They are disposing of the ball either dump kicking/ under pressure handballs or in the hope that their teammate will win the 50/50- therefore they don't dispose of the ball with absolute surety in their execution.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

You can put it on the players to some extent...if you just look at ball handling and use as the root cause, blaming it on the players is the easy option.

But when players are confused or have no real clue what the gameplan is, then fumbling and poor execution often follows.

It's much deeper than just a skill issue.

The game plan in the first half was there for all to see.

Keep your defensive shape behind the ball to stop rebound goals. Apply pressure to win the contest, run forward to present options. They showed it a few times during the replay.

Something happened after 1/2 time nobody can explain - they went to water, kept trying - but the harder they tried the worst they did.

We’re in no man’s land - a competitive mess.