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Fadge · Jun 4, 2025

NetworkNerd said:
No Jamie Elliott?

One stay at home forward (Long).

PLaYeR RaTiNgZ likes 'busy' players, hence three of the chosen forwards do most of their work up the ground. Hitting the scoreboard is secondary.

KissKiss · Jun 4, 2025

Fadge said:
One stay at home forward (Long).

PLaYeR RaTiNgZ likes 'busy' players, hence three of the chosen forwards do most of their work up the ground. Hitting the scoreboard is secondary.

It also hates missing simple shots or turning over the ball.

threenewpadlocks · Jun 4, 2025

Arkangel said:
Thought it might be interesting to see what a team picked solely based on player rating points via Wheelo ratings would look like. Here I've simply selected the top-ranked players in each position, trying to keep my "editorial" decisions fairly limited (e.g., not including any player who has played fewer than 10 games for the year, selecting a mixture of talls and smalls in the forward and backlines, trying to select two genuine wingers). This is what it ended up looking like:

FB: Lachie Ash (GW), Sam Taylor (GW), Bailey Dale (WB)
HB: Jack Sinclair (SK), Callum Wilkie (SK), Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera (SK)
C: Hugh McCluggage (BR), Andrew Brayshaw (FR), Max Holmes (GE)
HF: Ben Long (GC), Jeremy Cameron (GE), Nic Martin (ES)
FF: Izak Rankine (AD), Riley Thilthorpe (AD), Shai Bolton (FR)
FOLL: T. Xerri (NM), E. Richards (WB), Noah Anderson (GC)
INT: Tom Liberatore (WB), Caleb Serong (FR), Connor Rozee (PA), Bailey Humphrey (GC)

For the interchange, rather than picking four mids I went with two, along with one defender and one mid-forward. I don't have a good justification for this beyond it seeming about right.

Some notable omissions:
- Bont, Luke Jackson, Zak Butters, Kosi Pickett, and Josh Rachele all miss out due to playing too few games; though the cutoff of 10 is totally arbitrary. Ideally I'd probably do something like multiply the rating points gained by the number of games played to gauge total impact across the season so far, but I'm too lazy.
- Max Gawn misses out due to being the second-highest rated ruck (after Xerri). Again, choosing just one ruck is an arbitrary decision, but it seems to reflect what most teams are going with these days.
- Touk Miller, Chad Warner, Matt Rowell, Bailey Smith, Tom Green, and Isaac Heeney all miss out due to having relatively lower ratings compared to other midfielders (who dominate the higher tiers of the rating points).

McCluggage is at 73% CBA attendance and Holmes is at 66% for the year.

They're not "genuine wingers" if that's your intention.

Crisp and Dempsey should be the wingers if we're going by the strict definition of who Champion Data consider midfielders, but have attended fewer than half of the centre bounces that they're on the field for (ie on the wings)

KissKiss · Jun 4, 2025

threenewpadlocks said:
McCluggage is at 73% CBA attendance and Holmes is at 66% for the year.

They're not "genuine wingers" if that's your intention.

Crisp and Dempsey should be the wingers if we're going by the strict definition of who Champion Data consider midfielders, but have attended fewer than half of the centre bounces that they're on the field for (ie on the wings)

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Not disagreeing with your logic, or outcome but think you need to add mid-forwards to the positions filter as well. I know for our club 2/3 main wingers are classified as mid-forwards so would be skipped in that analysis including one who is probably there abouts for AA squad in Zac Bailey

Art Vandelay_ · Jun 4, 2025

Hoyney from Champion Data on SEN. Xerri ranked 5th best player in the comp and "long way clear as the best ruck".

eth-dog · Jun 4, 2025

Goals and Assists round 12 (sorry for the late update):

1. Jeremy Cameron 45 (38/7)
2. Jamie Elliott 43 (33/10)
3. Riley Thilthorpe 41 (27/14)
4. Jack Higgins 38 (29/9)
5. Ben King 37 (32/5)
6. Darcy Fogarty 36 (28/8)/Jack Gunston (25/11)
8. Jesse Hogan 34 (30/4)
9. Nick Larkey 31 (24/7)
10. Ben Long 30 (23/7)

Mr Meow · Jun 4, 2025

Arkangel said:
Thought it might be interesting to see what a team picked solely based on player rating points via Wheelo ratings would look like. Here I've simply selected the top-ranked players in each position, trying to keep my "editorial" decisions fairly limited (e.g., not including any player who has played fewer than 10 games for the year, selecting a mixture of talls and smalls in the forward and backlines, trying to select two genuine wingers). This is what it ended up looking like:

FB: Lachie Ash (GW), Sam Taylor (GW), Bailey Dale (WB)
HB: Jack Sinclair (SK), Callum Wilkie (SK), Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera (SK)
C: Hugh McCluggage (BR), Andrew Brayshaw (FR), Max Holmes (GE)
HF: Ben Long (GC), Jeremy Cameron (GE), Nic Martin (ES)
FF: Izak Rankine (AD), Riley Thilthorpe (AD), Shai Bolton (FR)
FOLL: T. Xerri (NM), E. Richards (WB), Noah Anderson (GC)
INT: Tom Liberatore (WB), Caleb Serong (FR), Connor Rozee (PA), Bailey Humphrey (GC)

For the interchange, rather than picking four mids I went with two, along with one defender and one mid-forward. I don't have a good justification for this beyond it seeming about right.

Some notable omissions:
- Bont, Luke Jackson, Zak Butters, Kosi Pickett, and Josh Rachele all miss out due to playing too few games; though the cutoff of 10 is totally arbitrary. Ideally I'd probably do something like multiply the rating points gained by the number of games played to gauge total impact across the season so far, but I'm too lazy.
- Max Gawn misses out due to being the second-highest rated ruck (after Xerri). Again, choosing just one ruck is an arbitrary decision, but it seems to reflect what most teams are going with these days.
- Touk Miller, Chad Warner, Matt Rowell, Bailey Smith, Tom Green, and Isaac Heeney all miss out due to having relatively lower ratings compared to other midfielders (who dominate the higher tiers of the rating points).

Holmes and McCluggage are former wingmen, not current ones. You'd have to either open the floor up to all midfielders for those two spots, or reselect with actual wingmen.

Dtennent94 · Jun 4, 2025

eth-dog said:
Goals and Assists round 12 (sorry for the late update):

1. Jeremy Cameron 45 (38/7)
2. Jamie Elliott 43 (33/10)
3. Riley Thilthorpe 41 (27/14)
4. Jack Higgins 38 (29/9)
5. Ben King 37 (32/5)
6. Darcy Fogarty 36 (28/8)/Jack Gunston (25/11)
8. Jesse Hogan 34 (30/4)
9. Nick Larkey 31 (24/7)
10. Ben Long 30 (23/7)

Genuine question. How is RT getting so many assists?

Do they count spilling a mark into your teammates arms as an assist? Is it because he’s rucking in the forward line and getting HTA? Or just getting heaps of marks outside 50 and setting up teammates?

threenewpadlocks · Jun 4, 2025

eth-dog said:
Goals and Assists round 12 (sorry for the late update):

1. Jeremy Cameron 45 (38/7)
2. Jamie Elliott 43 (33/10)
3. Riley Thilthorpe 41 (27/14)
4. Jack Higgins 38 (29/9)
5. Ben King 37 (32/5)
6. Darcy Fogarty 36 (28/8)/Jack Gunston (25/11)
8. Jesse Hogan 34 (30/4)
9. Nick Larkey 31 (24/7)
10. Ben Long 30 (23/7)

9/10. Ed Richards 31 (10/21)

eth-dog · Jun 4, 2025

Dtennent94 said:
Genuine question. How is RT getting so many assists?

Do they count spilling a mark into your teammates arms as an assist? Is it because he’s rucking in the forward line and getting HTA? Or just getting heaps of marks outside 50 and setting up teammates?

HTA that result in goals count.

threenewpadlocks said:
9/10. Ed Richards 31 (10/21)

Jeez, didn't see that.

RCAB · Jun 4, 2025

Art Vandelay_ said:
Hoyney from Champion Data on SEN. Xerri ranked 5th best player in the comp and "long way clear as the best ruck".

He certainly is.

PowerfulPies2023 · Jun 4, 2025

Elmer fudd
Elmer Fudds crud
Julian lescott
Michael Braun
Lloyd Braun
Ronaldinho

Forget the rest

UltraEgo · Jun 4, 2025

Arkangel said:
Thought it might be interesting to see what a team picked solely based on player rating points via Wheelo ratings would look like. Here I've simply selected the top-ranked players in each position, trying to keep my "editorial" decisions fairly limited (e.g., not including any player who has played fewer than 10 games for the year, selecting a mixture of talls and smalls in the forward and backlines, trying to select two genuine wingers). This is what it ended up looking like:

FB: Lachie Ash (GW), Sam Taylor (GW), Bailey Dale (WB)
HB: Jack Sinclair (SK), Callum Wilkie (SK), Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera (SK)
C: Hugh McCluggage (BR), Andrew Brayshaw (FR), Max Holmes (GE)
HF: Ben Long (GC), Jeremy Cameron (GE), Nic Martin (ES)
FF: Izak Rankine (AD), Riley Thilthorpe (AD), Shai Bolton (FR)
FOLL: T. Xerri (NM), E. Richards (WB), Noah Anderson (GC)
INT: Tom Liberatore (WB), Caleb Serong (FR), Connor Rozee (PA), Bailey Humphrey (GC)

For the interchange, rather than picking four mids I went with two, along with one defender and one mid-forward. I don't have a good justification for this beyond it seeming about right.

Some notable omissions:
- Bont, Luke Jackson, Zak Butters, Kosi Pickett, and Josh Rachele all miss out due to playing too few games; though the cutoff of 10 is totally arbitrary. Ideally I'd probably do something like multiply the rating points gained by the number of games played to gauge total impact across the season so far, but I'm too lazy.
- Max Gawn misses out due to being the second-highest rated ruck (after Xerri). Again, choosing just one ruck is an arbitrary decision, but it seems to reflect what most teams are going with these days.
- Touk Miller, Chad Warner, Matt Rowell, Bailey Smith, Tom Green, and Isaac Heeney all miss out due to having relatively lower ratings compared to other midfielders (who dominate the higher tiers of the rating points).

rofl spot the Collingwood hater

JHF1870 · Jun 4, 2025

Decided not to keep working on the second team as it's getting crazy. Thilthorpe gets a slot because he's closes to the pin as a key forward.

Tom Green even though he's underappreciated is unfortunate to miss. I had somehow missed Nick Vlastuin in my previous weeks.

My top TEN by votes

	POTY (Round 12)	Sum of Total	Average of Total	AFL Votes
1	Max Gawn	839.5	69.96	40
2	Nick Daicos	762.5	63.54	32
3	Hugh McCluggage	746	62.17	29
4	Tristan Xerri	698	63.45	29
5	Andrew Brayshaw	764.5	63.71	27
6	Caleb Serong	741.5	61.79	27
7	Ed Richards	723	65.73	27
8	Jordan Dawson	745.5	62.13	27
9	Izak Rankine	690.5	57.54	26
10	Noah Anderson	732.5	66.59	25

JHF1870 · Jun 4, 2025

Arkangel said:
Thought it might be interesting to see what a team picked solely based on player rating points via Wheelo ratings would look like. Here I've simply selected the top-ranked players in each position, trying to keep my "editorial" decisions fairly limited (e.g., not including any player who has played fewer than 10 games for the year, selecting a mixture of talls and smalls in the forward and backlines, trying to select two genuine wingers). This is what it ended up looking like:

FB: Lachie Ash (GW), Sam Taylor (GW), Bailey Dale (WB)
HB: Jack Sinclair (SK), Callum Wilkie (SK), Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera (SK)
C: Hugh McCluggage (BR), Andrew Brayshaw (FR), Max Holmes (GE)
HF: Ben Long (GC), Jeremy Cameron (GE), Nic Martin (ES)
FF: Izak Rankine (AD), Riley Thilthorpe (AD), Shai Bolton (FR)
FOLL: T. Xerri (NM), E. Richards (WB), Noah Anderson (GC)
INT: Tom Liberatore (WB), Caleb Serong (FR), Connor Rozee (PA), Bailey Humphrey (GC)

For the interchange, rather than picking four mids I went with two, along with one defender and one mid-forward. I don't have a good justification for this beyond it seeming about right.

Some notable omissions:
- Bont, Luke Jackson, Zak Butters, Kosi Pickett, and Josh Rachele all miss out due to playing too few games; though the cutoff of 10 is totally arbitrary. Ideally I'd probably do something like multiply the rating points gained by the number of games played to gauge total impact across the season so far, but I'm too lazy.
- Max Gawn misses out due to being the second-highest rated ruck (after Xerri). Again, choosing just one ruck is an arbitrary decision, but it seems to reflect what most teams are going with these days.
- Touk Miller, Chad Warner, Matt Rowell, Bailey Smith, Tom Green, and Isaac Heeney all miss out due to having relatively lower ratings compared to other midfielders (who dominate the higher tiers of the rating points).

This is kind of what I'm doing with my own stat rankings but I'm breaking it down by key position stats first. Theres no point up ranking a player over Jack Higgins as a forward if he's scoring points outside the forward 50.

I've tried to select players in groups for their position. For example Sam Taylor is the standout defender, and I've given a lesser scoring Weitering priority to his contested win ratio.

Mr Meow · Jun 4, 2025

UltraEgo said:
rofl spot the Collingwood hater

Wheelo Ratings LOVE Bulldogs midfielders this year.

4 of their midfielders are ranked in the top 18 players in the comp.

Freijah is ranked higher than every Collingwood player (not just mids...all positions besides Nick Daicos and Sidebottom.

I like a lot of Dogs players too. I wonder if the AA selectors will commit to picking 4 of their midfielders though.

JHF1870 · Jun 4, 2025

Mr Meow said:
Wheelo Ratings LOVE Bulldogs midfielders this year.

4 of their midfielders are ranked in the top 18 players in the comp.

Freijah is ranked higher than every Collingwood player (not just mids...all positions besides Nick Daicos and Sidebottom.

I like a lot of Dogs players too. I wonder if the AA selectors will commit to picking 4 of their midfielders though.

This is how mine go

	POTY (Round 13)	Sum of Total	Average of Total
1	Max Gawn	839.5	69.96
2	Noah Anderson	732.5	66.59
3	Ed Richards	723	65.73
4	Tom Liberatore	714.5	64.95
5	Bailey Smith	705	64.09
6	Andrew Brayshaw	764.5	63.71
7	Touk Miller	699.5	63.59
8	Nick Daicos	762.5	63.54
9	Tom Green	698	63.45
10	Tristan Xerri	698	63.45
11	Zak Butters	499.5	62.44
12	Hugh McCluggage	746	62.17
13	Jordan Dawson	745.5	62.13
14	Jack Macrae	619	61.90
15	Caleb Serong	741.5	61.79
16	George Hewett	678.5	61.68
17	Matt Rowell	676	61.45
18	Matthew Kennedy	663	60.27
19	Tom De Koning	588	58.80
20	Patrick Cripps	644	58.55
21	Connor Rozee	643	58.45
22	Finn Callaghan	583.5	58.35
23	Jack Sinclair	700	58.33

Mr Meow · Jun 4, 2025

JHF1870 said:
Decided not to keep working on the second team as it's getting crazy. Thilthorpe gets a slot because he's closes to the pin as a key forward.

Tom Green even though he's underappreciated is unfortunate to miss. I had somehow missed Nick Vlastuin in my previous weeks.

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My top TEN by votes

POTY (Round 12) Sum of Total Average of Total AFL Votes
1
Max Gawn
839.5
69.96
40
2
Nick Daicos
762.5
63.54
32
3
Hugh McCluggage
746
62.17
29
4
Tristan Xerri
698
63.45
29
5
Andrew Brayshaw
764.5
63.71
27
6
Caleb Serong
741.5
61.79
27
7
Ed Richards
723
65.73
27
8
Jordan Dawson
745.5
62.13
27
9
Izak Rankine
690.5
57.54
26
10
Noah Anderson
732.5
66.59
25

4 key forwards! Personally I'm not even a fan of them selecting 3, but accept that it's somewhat inevitable.

JHF1870 · Jun 4, 2025

Mr Meow said:
4 key forwards! Personally I'm not even a fan of them selecting 3, but accept that it's somewhat inevitable.

Thilthorpe because he's the unluckiest not to make the 18 out of all players. The other three are midfielders. I could have also added Lachie Ash instead of Touk Miller for example.

I'm not sure on the wings as Kennedy probably deserves a spot.

Fadge · Jun 4, 2025

UltraEgo said:
rofl spot the Collingwood hater

Good pick up.

34 players mentioned, and not one from the club that sits atop the ladder at 10 and 2.

He must have filtered out Collingwood players, it's the only explanation.

Stax on the mill · Jun 4, 2025

Fadge said:
Good pick up.

34 players mentioned, and not one from the club that sits atop the ladder at 10 and 2.

He must have filtered out Collingwood players, it's the only explanation.

Impossible to take seriously anyone who is so blatantly and spitefully biased as to deliberately not mention any Pies players at all.

His supposed team has zero credibility. Makes himself look stupid into the bargain.

Kane McGoodwin · Jun 4, 2025

Dtennent94 said:
Genuine question. How is RT getting so many assists?

Do they count spilling a mark into your teammates arms as an assist? Is it because he’s rucking in the forward line and getting HTA? Or just getting heaps of marks outside 50 and setting up teammates?

He's a beautiful field kick & has handed off to players running into open goal.

Danger in Texas · Jun 4, 2025

Dtennent94 said:
Genuine question. How is RT getting so many assists?

Do they count spilling a mark into your teammates arms as an assist? Is it because he’s rucking in the forward line and getting HTA? Or just getting heaps of marks outside 50 and setting up teammates?

Kane McGoodwin said:
He's a beautiful field kick & has handed off to players running into open goal.

This plus he has great capacity to work up the ground, even at his size

Arkangel · Jun 5, 2025

threenewpadlocks said:
McCluggage is at 73% CBA attendance and Holmes is at 66% for the year.

They're not "genuine wingers" if that's your intention.

Crisp and Dempsey should be the wingers if we're going by the strict definition of who Champion Data consider midfielders, but have attended fewer than half of the centre bounces that they're on the field for (ie on the wings)

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Yeah, this is also laziness on my part: Because there is no specified "wing" position I just picked the highest-rated players who I knew had played there in the past. I didn't look into CBA attendance or anything like that; but given that information, I think those selections make more sense.

Arkangel · Jun 5, 2025

Stax on the mill said:
Impossible to take seriously anyone who is so blatantly and spitefully biased as to deliberately not mention any Pies players at all.

His supposed team has zero credibility. Makes himself look stupid into the bargain.

I thought I was pretty clear in explaining where the side came from: It's not my preferences or personal view, it's purely based on the Wheelo ratings. They don't have any Collingwood players listed in the top 40 players, so I didn't list any Collingwood players. It's not rocket science, nor some sort of bitter anti-Collingwood conspiracy.

As far as why there are no Collingwood players at the top end of these ratings, that's a good question. My totally non-expert, subjective expectation was that Nick Daicos in particular should have been fairly high, because he gets a lot of the ball and tends to use it well. These seem like factors that a system of this sort would ordinarily value, so I find it kind of perplexing that he doesn't have a higher rating. To me, this is one of the interesting features of an exercise like this: It can help to clarify and make explicit what we value in players' contributions, and to highlight what ratings systems like this lack (which would ideally lead to their improvement). Jamie Elliott is another interesting one: He's second in the Coleman and headed for a 60+ goal season, yet rated lower than a number of other small forwards who've been less prolific in front of goal. To me, that suggests that something missing from a rating system like this might be "forward craft" (for want of a better term): The ability to get into a position where a shot on goal results from actions taken before the ball enters the forward line, rather than from winning contested ball itself. (By contrast, the higher-rated forwards all have at least 10% higher contested possession proportions than Elliott; with the exception of Nic Martin, who just gets a lot of the ball in general and is probably rated highly for that reason.)

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