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Preview 2025 Round 20 – GWS Giants vs Sydney Swans, Friday July 25, 7.50pm, ENGIE Stadium

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Like many others, I felt a bit unsatisfied after Thursday’s win against Essendon. Normally, an eight-goal win in Melbourne would be cause for celebrations, but I thought we’d get a little more percentage. Expectations can change perceptions.

Friday night sees us play the Swans in a match that truly deserves the prime-time slot. It’s the first of three very tough games which will determine our final position, perhaps whether we even play finals at all.

Our record against Sydney since COVID makes for grim reading. A meagre three wins from twelve starts, all by finger nail margins, and two of them while Leon was still in charge. But whoever the coach or whatever changes they’ve tried hasn’t mattered. The Swans have been very good at throttling our attack, overwhelming our defence, or both. Whatever Holy Grail they march behind, they rise to the occasion in ways we rarely match.

After a thrilling one-point victory in his first derby, Kingsley has tried several different line-ups, shuffling the team about like deckchairs on the Titanic for the same result. The ship always sinks.

I’ve scoured past team sheets looking for clues why Sydney have been so dominant, but it’s hard to pinpoint. When we win clearances and stoppages, they out-tackle us. When we have more disposals and handballs, they either rack up more inside 50s, or out-mark us. When they have more turnovers, they win. When we have more turnovers, we lose. Free kicks? They were 9-27 in our favour back in May. An absolute gift we could not take advantage of.

We need a circuit breaker.

We usually focus on the midfield in these previews, which is our perceived weakness. We must be as strong as possible against the Swans, giving their skill at getting the ball forward and our habit of losing the inside 50 count.

Here’s the midfield line-up when we beat them a couple of years ago:

C - Callaghan, Kelly, Angwin
FOL - Flynn, Green, Coniglio

That day, we were flogged in the hit-outs 50-34, lost the clearances 45-37, and really got flogged at the centre clearances by 21-9. Smashed in the inside 50s by 63-48, we won due to efficiency in front of goal (plus a bit of Toby magic at the end). But it was really hard work.

We’ve won tough games this year against the Suns and Cats with Angwin, Bedford, Kelly, Briggs/Madden, Callaghan and Green in the midfield. Would that work against the likes of Gulden, Warner, Heeney, Lloyd, and Grundy? Angwin did play midfield in that win a couple of years ago.

Another challenge is Hayward, who always plays well against us. Their backline of Rampe, Cunningham, Melican, Blakey, Mills and Wicks are very good at shutting us down, especially Hogan. Grundy is playing like he's turned back the clock.

We’re due to get back Taylor, Kelly and Hogan this week, so I’ve omitted Gruzewski and McMullin; I’ve also opted to keep Fonti and dropped Aleer.

Here’s a possible line-up:

FB [39] Connor Idun, [15] Sam Taylor, [37] Joe Fonti
HB [6] Lachie Whitfield, [44] Jack Buckley, [7] Lachie Ash
C [9] Ryan Angwin, [14] Toby Bedford, [22] Josh Kelly
HF [33] Xavier O'Halloran, [5] Aaron Cadman, [2] Darcy Jones
FF [20] Jake Stringer, [23] Jesse Hogan, [4] Toby Greene

FOL [32] Kieren Briggs, [17] Finn Callaghan, [12] Tom Green

IC [27] Harry Himmelberg, [46] Callum Brown, [24] Harry Rowston, [26] Jake Riccardi

The Swans are still a chance of playing finals, so they will definitely show up, as one more loss will probably finish them. You’d hope we’re playing for something more than just making the eight.

A sobering thought. It’s been six long years since we’ve beat the Swans at home. That must change, starting this Friday. It's going to be a massive derby.

Come on Giants. We’re all sick of losing to Sydney.
 
Like many others, I felt a bit unsatisfied after Thursday’s win against Essendon. Normally, an eight-goal win in Melbourne would be cause for celebrations, but I thought we’d get a little more percentage. Expectations can change perceptions.

Friday night sees us play the Swans in a match that truly deserves the prime-time slot. It’s the first of three very tough games which will determine our final position, perhaps whether we even play finals at all.

Our record against Sydney since COVID makes for grim reading. A meagre three wins from twelve starts, all by finger nail margins, and two of them while Leon was still in charge. But whoever the coach or whatever changes they’ve tried hasn’t mattered. The Swans have been very good at throttling our attack, overwhelming our defence, or both. Whatever Holy Grail they march behind, they rise to the occasion in ways we rarely match.

After a thrilling one-point victory in his first derby, Kingsley has tried several different line-ups, shuffling the team about like deckchairs on the Titanic for the same result. The ship always sinks.

I’ve scoured past team sheets looking for clues why Sydney have been so dominant, but it’s hard to pinpoint. When we win clearances and stoppages, they out-tackle us. When we have more disposals and handballs, they either rack up more inside 50s, or out-mark us. When they have more turnovers, they win. When we have more turnovers, we lose. Free kicks? They were 9-27 in our favour back in May. An absolute gift we could not take advantage of.

We need a circuit breaker.

We usually focus on the midfield in these previews, which is our perceived weakness. We must be as strong as possible against the Swans, giving their skill at getting the ball forward and our habit of losing the inside 50 count.

Here’s the midfield line-up when we beat them a couple of years ago:

C - Callaghan, Kelly, Angwin
FOL - Flynn, Green, Coniglio

That day, we were flogged in the hit-outs 50-34, lost the clearances 45-37, and really got flogged at the centre clearances by 21-9. Smashed in the inside 50s by 63-48, we won due to efficiency in front of goal (plus a bit of Toby magic at the end). But it was really hard work.

We’ve won tough games this year against the Suns and Cats with Angwin, Bedford, Kelly, Briggs/Madden, Callaghan and Green in the midfield. Would that work against the likes of Gulden, Warner, Heeney, Lloyd, and Grundy? Angwin did play midfield in that win a couple of years ago.

Another challenge is Hayward, who always plays well against us. Their backline of Rampe, Cunningham, Melican, Blakey, Mills and Wicks are very good at shutting us down, especially Hogan. Grundy is playing like he's turned back the clock.

We’re due to get back Taylor, Kelly and Hogan this week, so I’ve omitted Gruzewski and McMullin; I’ve also opted to keep Fonti and dropped Aleer.

Here’s a possible line-up:

FB [39] Connor Idun, [15] Sam Taylor, [37] Joe Fonti
HB [6] Lachie Whitfield, [44] Jack Buckley, [7] Lachie Ash
C [9] Ryan Angwin, [14] Toby Bedford, [22] Josh Kelly
HF [33] Xavier O'Halloran, [5] Aaron Cadman, [2] Darcy Jones
FF [20] Jake Stringer, [23] Jesse Hogan, [4] Toby Greene

FOL [32] Kieren Briggs, [17] Finn Callaghan, [12] Tom Green

IC [27] Harry Himmelberg, [46] Callum Brown, [24] Harry Rowston, [26] Jake Riccardi

The Swans are still a chance of playing finals, so they will definitely show up, as one more loss will probably finish them. You’d hope we’re playing for something more than just making the eight.

A sobering thought. It’s been six long years since we’ve beat the Swans at home. That must change, starting this Friday. It's going to be a massive derby.

Come on Giants. We’re all sick of losing to Sydney.
I’d have cogs retaining his spot but apart from the agree. Good write up.

Game could be won or lost based on Briggs ability to quell Grundy. Half that contest from the opening bounce and we will go alright
 

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Teams that beat Sydney tend to keep their key mids on a leash. I’m not suggestug a tag but certainly some accountability is required.
I’m also think we need to put time into their ball movement off half back. They look 100 times better with the lizard charging freely off half back.
 
I’d have cogs retaining his spot but apart from the agree.
I'd forgotten about Coniglio. He was OK against the Bombers. Rowston arguably had a better game in the seconds.

The hydra-like ability of the Swans was on full display yesterday. Their forwards - Campbell, McLean and McInenery - kicked three goals between them; Rowbottom, Jordon and Hayward kicked none. The damage was done by Heeney, who kicked five, and someone called Jack Buller, who kicked two.

They'll probably recall Francis and Cleary on Friday. They goaled against us last time.
 
I'd forgotten about Coniglio. He was OK against the Bombers. Rowston arguably had a better game in the seconds.

The hydra-like ability of the Swans was on full display yesterday. Their forwards - Campbell, McLean and McInenery - kicked three goals between them; Rowbottom, Jordon and Hayward kicked none. The damage was done by Heeney, who kicked five, and someone called Jack Buller, who kicked two.

They'll probably recall Francis and Cleary on Friday. They goaled against us last time.
As it stands, Rowston is probably playing better footy at the moment. But I think it's in our best interests to get as many games into Cogs as we can before finals. Get him back up to speed.
 
Like many others, I felt a bit unsatisfied after Thursday’s win against Essendon. Normally, an eight-goal win in Melbourne would be cause for celebrations, but I thought we’d get a little more percentage. Expectations can change perceptions.

Friday night sees us play the Swans in a match that truly deserves the prime-time slot. It’s the first of three very tough games which will determine our final position, perhaps whether we even play finals at all.

Our record against Sydney since COVID makes for grim reading. A meagre three wins from twelve starts, all by finger nail margins, and two of them while Leon was still in charge. But whoever the coach or whatever changes they’ve tried hasn’t mattered. The Swans have been very good at throttling our attack, overwhelming our defence, or both. Whatever Holy Grail they march behind, they rise to the occasion in ways we rarely match.

After a thrilling one-point victory in his first derby, Kingsley has tried several different line-ups, shuffling the team about like deckchairs on the Titanic for the same result. The ship always sinks.

I’ve scoured past team sheets looking for clues why Sydney have been so dominant, but it’s hard to pinpoint. When we win clearances and stoppages, they out-tackle us. When we have more disposals and handballs, they either rack up more inside 50s, or out-mark us. When they have more turnovers, they win. When we have more turnovers, we lose. Free kicks? They were 9-27 in our favour back in May. An absolute gift we could not take advantage of.

We need a circuit breaker.

We usually focus on the midfield in these previews, which is our perceived weakness. We must be as strong as possible against the Swans, giving their skill at getting the ball forward and our habit of losing the inside 50 count.

Here’s the midfield line-up when we beat them a couple of years ago:

C - Callaghan, Kelly, Angwin
FOL - Flynn, Green, Coniglio

That day, we were flogged in the hit-outs 50-34, lost the clearances 45-37, and really got flogged at the centre clearances by 21-9. Smashed in the inside 50s by 63-48, we won due to efficiency in front of goal (plus a bit of Toby magic at the end). But it was really hard work.

We’ve won tough games this year against the Suns and Cats with Angwin, Bedford, Kelly, Briggs/Madden, Callaghan and Green in the midfield. Would that work against the likes of Gulden, Warner, Heeney, Lloyd, and Grundy? Angwin did play midfield in that win a couple of years ago.

Another challenge is Hayward, who always plays well against us. Their backline of Rampe, Cunningham, Melican, Blakey, Mills and Wicks are very good at shutting us down, especially Hogan. Grundy is playing like he's turned back the clock.

We’re due to get back Taylor, Kelly and Hogan this week, so I’ve omitted Gruzewski and McMullin; I’ve also opted to keep Fonti and dropped Aleer.

Here’s a possible line-up:

FB [39] Connor Idun, [15] Sam Taylor, [37] Joe Fonti
HB [6] Lachie Whitfield, [44] Jack Buckley, [7] Lachie Ash
C [9] Ryan Angwin, [14] Toby Bedford, [22] Josh Kelly
HF [33] Xavier O'Halloran, [5] Aaron Cadman, [2] Darcy Jones
FF [20] Jake Stringer, [23] Jesse Hogan, [4] Toby Greene

FOL [32] Kieren Briggs, [17] Finn Callaghan, [12] Tom Green

IC [27] Harry Himmelberg, [46] Callum Brown, [24] Harry Rowston, [26] Jake Riccardi

The Swans are still a chance of playing finals, so they will definitely show up, as one more loss will probably finish them. You’d hope we’re playing for something more than just making the eight.

A sobering thought. It’s been six long years since we’ve beat the Swans at home. That must change, starting this Friday. It's going to be a massive derby.

Come on Giants. We’re all sick of losing to Sydney.
I saw swans game yesterday with my son at the SCG, I think they clearly are better with Gulden back ( i wore my giants cap with pride, got some well wishes for the finals from North supporters). Bring correct attitude, pick the right team we win. If either of first 2 doesn't happen, we could well lose.
I know the selectors are capable of picking a better team than I could, so don't really have suggestions.
I think we really need to emphasise picking fully fit players, and avoid back half turnovers from Ash.
Whether we tag heeney or Warner or neither, I don't know.
Luke Parker was tagging Heeney in forward 50 stoppages in last qtr, it didn't really work.
 
Although the market has us as favourites, we will have to defy history to beat the Sydney Swans. We have lost our last 5 matches against them, and they seem to have developed a psychological advantage over us.

Our overall record against Sydney is also very dismal. Of the 30 games we have played against them, we have only won 10 (33% win rate). This is the equal worst win % against any AFL opponent - we have a similar 33% win record against the Bulldogs (who we play after Sydney).

Our home record against Sydney at Giants Stadium is only slightly better with 3 wins from the 8 games played (37.5% win rate).

Going to be a very hard game, and will be a good test of our team. Hoping for a win but we will need to be at our best to do that.
 
Although the market has us as favourites, we will have to defy history to beat the Sydney Swans. We have lost our last 5 matches against them, and they seem to have developed a psychological advantage over us.

Our overall record against Sydney is also very dismal. Of the 30 games we have played against them, we have only won 10 (33% win rate). This is the equal worst win % against any AFL opponent - we have a similar 33% win record against the Bulldogs (who we play after Sydney).

Our home record against Sydney at Giants Stadium is only slightly better with 3 wins from the 8 games played (37.5% win rate).

Going to be a very hard game, and will be a good test of our team. Hoping for a win but we will need to be at our best to do that.
Also it is better for the finals race and makes for less dead rubbers each week if Swans win.
So I don't expect umpires favours this week ( we might have got some previous weeks, but not this week is my guess).
 
I think the only changes should be for any players coming back - Jesse, Josh Kelly and maybe even Sam Taylor if he’s fit. We have now won 5 consecutive games, and a win against Sydney this weekend will mean that we are just 1 additional win from equaling our historic record of 7 consecutive wins. The team are currently displaying great resilience, self belief and finding ways to win.
 

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Presuming that we get Hogan & Taylor back, for me it's a fairly simple swap: Hogan for Gru & Taylor for Aleer. I'd like to have Rowsten playing, given how Sydney's mids normally run over us and he's been playing well. Which would swap he and McMullen in the sub role. Sorry to Muff's supporters - just how I see it.
Hey, a little Muff is better than no Muff ... just syain
 
Sydney has a formula that upsets our game plan the same way that we're a bad match-up for Geelong and Collingwood. That said, we were the better team for 80% of that semi-final last year and it was really just some late brilliance from Heeney and Warner that got them over the line. We were ferocious at the contest that day and need to bring that same mindset this Friday night. For all the talk of the 'tsunami' and pretty ball movement, our best ever wins have always been built on relentless pressure and brutality in defence.

Breaking even in the midfield battle is key, as we have the superior KPFs and KPDs. I don't think McMullin did enough on Thursday to keep his spot with Kelly returning, which probably means Rowston starts as sub once again. Everyone in the media is talking up Aleer and he's been good at times, but surplus to requirements if Taylor is fit (and Himmelberg playing back again).

In: Hogan, Kelly, Taylor (all pending fitness)
Out: Gruzewski, McMullin, Aleer
 

The AFL’s Sydney derby has been around long enough now for a pattern to the week’s build-up to have become established.

Typically, someone launches a verbal grenade from the Giants’ Homebush HQ towards Moore Park on the Monday; a teammate of the grenade launcher backs away from said grenade on the Tuesday and says it’s not actually representative of how the Giants feel; somebody in a Swans polo shirt (player, coach or administrator) then provides a churlish non-response about how they’ll do their talking on the field by the time the teams are named on Thursday evening; and, come the final siren, the Swans have the last laugh and everyone goes home happy they’ve done their bit for the code-building mission.

Mindful of how consequential Friday night’s clash at Engie Stadium will be to their finals fate, perhaps the Giants have learned from prior experience that it isn’t always wise to poke the bear. Last year, Toby Greene was cracking social media gags at Isaac Heeney’s expense, prompting a talking down from outgoing Swans chief executive Tom Harley in the manner of a disappointed school principal.

On Monday, his press conference was a sledge-free zone. “That’s more the media team – that’s their expertise, I’ll leave that to them,” Greene grinned. “But on field, I’m sure it’s always a good contest, and I think it’s just a good rivalry. They’re good games to play, and they’ve got a bit of feeling in them, and the intensity’s always really high, and I don’t think Friday’s going to be any different.”

Does Greene relish the chance to end Sydney’s season?

“I relish the idea of us trying to make top four, so I just want to worry about that,” he said. “If we beat them, their season’s probably done, and we’re a chance for top four. It’s a huge game, and we know the importance of the next two or three games as well.”

All jokes aside – not that there were any – this has all the makings of another classic.
 
Presuming that we get Hogan & Taylor back, for me it's a fairly simple swap: Hogan for Gru & Taylor for Aleer. I'd like to have Rowsten playing, given how Sydney's mids normally run over us and he's been playing well. Which would swap he and McMullen in the sub role. Sorry to Muff's supporters - just how I see it.
I feel you are talking directly to me here :)
 
Nick Blakey needs a tag this week
 

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Also it is better for the finals race and makes for less dead rubbers each week if Swans win.
So I don't expect umpires favours this week ( we might have got some previous weeks, but not this week is my guess).
I agree with the logic on umpiring, a Swan's win would keep the finals race open, it would help keep the Bulldogs alive making the GWS v Dogs game bigger. Yous won't get any umpiring favours but should be too good for Swan's.

I actually think you are a dangerous side that can do some damage in finals. Travel doesn't seem to bother you and had both last year's grand final teams on toast before a couple of last quarter fades.
 
Wonder if we can use Bedford as a forward tagger.
I'm surprised Bedford doesn't kick more goals to be honest, I know he's been used as the tagger in most games he's played, but has been released from that job in recent weeks. Never has kicked a bag in his career, and only 2 a few times. Does seem to get ignored a lot when open though.
 
I'm surprised Bedford doesn't kick more goals to be honest, I know he's been used as the tagger in most games he's played, but has been released from that job in recent weeks. Never has kicked a bag in his career, and only 2 a few times. Does seem to get ignored a lot when open though.
He isn't a very accurate shot at goal.
Tagging is his best role, but it seems we have done better without him in midfield. Perhaps this week he can be a defensive forward on Blakey.
 
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