List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[Mick F]

Bont own the Dogs. Surely they would ask him what he wants and just do it before they let him go.

Agree. Captains don’t leave.

 

[jmac70]

Agree. Captains don’t leave.

They do from the Doggies.

 

[Anzacday]

Agree. Captains don’t leave.

Leigh Colbert says hi

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Agree. Captains don’t leave.

Tom Lynch and Steven May were both co-captains at the Suns and left in the same year!

 

[jmac70]

Was Peter Moore captain when he went to Melbourne?

 

[BillyElliott]

Was Peter Moore captain when he went to Melbourne?

I think he was. Captain from 81-82. Left for Melbourne in 83.

 

[Doc1763]

I think he was. Captain from 81-82. Left for Melbourne in 83.

That is correct

 

[Anzacday]

Tom Lynch and Steven May were both co-captains at the Suns and left in the same year!

Well played, you win!

 

[soreplums]

Mark Williams?

 

[Robroy22]

Didn't North get a few "captains" from other clubs in the 70's under the 10 year rule?

Barry Davis was one, was Rantall another?

 

[DERKADERRR]

Jen2310 you've watched a fair bit of the suns VFL team haven't you? What do you think of Caleb Graham? Not saying we should go after him but I was just thinking about fringe Key Defenders that wouldn't cost much. It's pretty hard to push out Ballard, Collins and Mac Andrew.

 

[Jen2310]

Jen2310 you've watched a fair bit of the suns VFL team haven't you? What do you think of Caleb Graham? Not saying we should go after him but I was just thinking about fringe Key Defenders that wouldn't cost much. It's pretty hard to push out Ballard, Collins and Mac Andrew.

I haven't actually watched too much of their VFL side in a little bit. I'm not sure where he at is atm. Clearly behind a few of their key defenders. Would be very cheap I'd say. He was on the lookout last trade period for another opportunity but nothing arose. He seems like a battler to me. A no fuss defender. He does get a little flack from the fans, especially after they gave him a 4 year deal a number of years ago, yet hasn't seemed to play any games since.

Trying to think, did he play against us a couple years ago? I believe he did. He's 194cm, so the same size as Reef.

 

[DERKADERRR]

I haven't actually watched too much of their VFL side in a little bit. I'm not sure where he at is atm. Clearly behind a few of their key defenders. Would be very cheap I'd say. He was on the lookout last trade period for another opportunity but nothing arose. He seems like a battler to me. A no fuss defender. He does get a little flack from the fans, especially after they gave him a 4 year deal a number of years ago, yet hasn't seemed to play any games since.

Trying to think, did he play against us a couple years ago? I believe he did. He's 194cm, so the same size as Reef.

Yeah that 4 year deal is a bit strange, but they have a history of weird long contracts. I might watch some Gold Coast VFL games this year and have a look at him.

He did play against us, I just had a look at his stats. You may be right about him being a bit of a battler, he seems to get a lot of one percenters.

 

[satanshoof101]

I think the two biggest holes on our list are key defence and midfield.

In a perfect world we get an out of contract SDK for less then he is worth like Geelong did for Bailey Smith, but I don't see that happening.

A couple of other KPD who might not cost a 1st rounder are Jedd Busslinger, James O'Donnell, Josh Worrell

Some not the KPD height Buku Khamis, Blake Howes, and maybe Max Gruzewski (who could probably play in defence)

Leek Aleer is another option but he might get some pretty big offers.

For midfield options I kind of think we might need to temper our expectations with players of Rowells worth.

Maybe we can nab one of the 2022 draft mids like - Bailey Humphrey, Cam Mackenzie, Elijah Tsatas, Jhye Clark (Preferably Humphrey or Mackenzie IMO)

Other random mids that might look for more opportunity - Mitch Knevitt, Charlie Edwards, Josh Goater (defender who has played mid)

 

[sr36]

Yeah that 4 year deal is a bit strange, but they have a history of weird long contracts. I might watch some Gold Coast VFL games this year and have a look at him.

He did play against us, I just had a look at his stats. You may be right about him being a bit of a battler, he seems to get a lot of one percenters.

They get so shocked when someone doesn't want to leave that they double the length of contract.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Collingwood went all in on Dan Houston despite some of its recruiting team holding deep reservations about trading away a 2025 first round pick which could cost them a crack at Matt Rowell.

It comes as the Pies are now in talks with the AFL on whether they are allowed to instead trade their 2026 first-rounder for an established star like Rowell under league rules.

Dual All Australian Houston has trained the house down this year and shapes as an instant success, given his blend of intercept marking and tight-checking defence.

But in an off-season when McRae said, “I don’t want (draft picks), I want players”, it is understood there was robust discussion about what recruiting Houston would cost them in future years.

Collingwood’s only first-round pick from 2023-2025 will end up being pick 19 Ed Allan, with the AFL requiring clubs to take two first-round picks in every four-year cycle.

While coach McRae and list boss Justin Leppitsch were keen to secure Houston, there was much debate about whether the club was mortgaging its future for the present.

Rowell met with clubs in the off-season but even if he decided he wanted to move to Collingwood, it has little to no draft capital to make a deal.

The Pies have already traded their 2024 and 2025 first-round picks so, under the strictest interpretation of AFL rules, would have to draft a player with their 2026 first-rounder.

They have had discussions with the AFL about whether they can trade that first-round selection and have cautious optimism it is allowed, but have not yet received a definitive ruling.

The Power were given an exemption to trade a first-rounder for Jason Horne-Francis, despite those draft rules because he was only one year removed as the No.1 pick in the national draft – so the AFL felt Port was taking early elite talent.

If the Pies landed Rowell, he would also be a No.1 pick like Horne-Francis but would be six years into his career, so it would be a stretch on AFL rules.

Collingwood has aggressively remodelled its list management team, with long-time recruiter Derek Hine moved on and Adam Shephard declining a promotion to instead move to West Coast.

Leppitsch told the club’s pre-season documentary The Grind the club had sky-high ambitions to remain in contention while also looking to the future.

“The goal for us as a footy club is to remain competitive every year,” he said.

“To give our fans a chance to celebrate every game and a chance to know this year could be it.

“We think we can still compete for the now but also compete for the future

“It takes a lot of planning, thought and consideration but going to the bottom is not an option for us. We want to make sure we give our fans the best possible experience every game and every year, to give them hope that this year is the one.”

In the trade for Houston, the Pies gave up John Noble (Gold Coast), Joe Richards (Port Adelaide), pick 36 and their 2025 first-rounder and also got back pick 58.

Collingwood reasoned that the 2025 selection might easily drift into the 20s, where, on average, players picked only play around 70 games compared to top five selections.

They also secured GWS free agent Harry Perryman on a deal of up to $900,000 a season and St Kilda free agent Tim Membrey.

All three acquisitions look set to play a key role in the premiership tilt, with Leppitsch adamant the club had to compete for a flag every year.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Collingwood went all in on Dan Houston despite some of its recruiting team holding deep reservations about trading away a 2025 first round pick which could cost them a crack at Matt Rowell.

It comes as the Pies are now in talks with the AFL on whether they are allowed to instead trade their 2026 first-rounder for an established star like Rowell under league rules.

Dual All Australian Houston has trained the house down this year and shapes as an instant success, given his blend of intercept marking and tight-checking defence.

But in an off-season when McRae said, “I don’t want (draft picks), I want players”, it is understood there was robust discussion about what recruiting Houston would cost them in future years.

Collingwood’s only first-round pick from 2023-2025 will end up being pick 19 Ed Allan, with the AFL requiring clubs to take two first-round picks in every four-year cycle.

While coach McRae and list boss Justin Leppitsch were keen to secure Houston, there was much debate about whether the club was mortgaging its future for the present.

Rowell met with clubs in the off-season but even if he decided he wanted to move to Collingwood, it has little to no draft capital to make a deal.

The Pies have already traded their 2024 and 2025 first-round picks so, under the strictest interpretation of AFL rules, would have to draft a player with their 2026 first-rounder.

They have had discussions with the AFL about whether they can trade that first-round selection and have cautious optimism it is allowed, but have not yet received a definitive ruling.

The Power were given an exemption to trade a first-rounder for Jason Horne-Francis, despite those draft rules because he was only one year removed as the No.1 pick in the national draft – so the AFL felt Port was taking early elite talent.

If the Pies landed Rowell, he would also be a No.1 pick like Horne-Francis but would be six years into his career, so it would be a stretch on AFL rules.

Collingwood has aggressively remodelled its list management team, with long-time recruiter Derek Hine moved on and Adam Shephard declining a promotion to instead move to West Coast.

Leppitsch told the club’s pre-season documentary The Grind the club had sky-high ambitions to remain in contention while also looking to the future.

“The goal for us as a footy club is to remain competitive every year,” he said.

“To give our fans a chance to celebrate every game and a chance to know this year could be it.

“We think we can still compete for the now but also compete for the future

“It takes a lot of planning, thought and consideration but going to the bottom is not an option for us. We want to make sure we give our fans the best possible experience every game and every year, to give them hope that this year is the one.”

In the trade for Houston, the Pies gave up John Noble (Gold Coast), Joe Richards (Port Adelaide), pick 36 and their 2025 first-rounder and also got back pick 58.

Collingwood reasoned that the 2025 selection might easily drift into the 20s, where, on average, players picked only play around 70 games compared to top five selections.

They also secured GWS free agent Harry Perryman on a deal of up to $900,000 a season and St Kilda free agent Tim Membrey.

All three acquisitions look set to play a key role in the premiership tilt, with Leppitsch adamant the club had to compete for a flag every year.

“Collingwood has little to no draft capital to make a deal”.

I’m having flashbacks to the lead up to last years trade period…

 

[TradeDraft]

Collingwood went all in on Dan Houston despite some of its recruiting team holding deep reservations about trading away a 2025 first round pick which could cost them a crack at Matt Rowell.

It comes as the Pies are now in talks with the AFL on whether they are allowed to instead trade their 2026 first-rounder for an established star like Rowell under league rules.

Dual All Australian Houston has trained the house down this year and shapes as an instant success, given his blend of intercept marking and tight-checking defence.

But in an off-season when McRae said, “I don’t want (draft picks), I want players”, it is understood there was robust discussion about what recruiting Houston would cost them in future years.

Collingwood’s only first-round pick from 2023-2025 will end up being pick 19 Ed Allan, with the AFL requiring clubs to take two first-round picks in every four-year cycle.

While coach McRae and list boss Justin Leppitsch were keen to secure Houston, there was much debate about whether the club was mortgaging its future for the present.

Rowell met with clubs in the off-season but even if he decided he wanted to move to Collingwood, it has little to no draft capital to make a deal.

The Pies have already traded their 2024 and 2025 first-round picks so, under the strictest interpretation of AFL rules, would have to draft a player with their 2026 first-rounder.

They have had discussions with the AFL about whether they can trade that first-round selection and have cautious optimism it is allowed, but have not yet received a definitive ruling.

The Power were given an exemption to trade a first-rounder for Jason Horne-Francis, despite those draft rules because he was only one year removed as the No.1 pick in the national draft – so the AFL felt Port was taking early elite talent.

If the Pies landed Rowell, he would also be a No.1 pick like Horne-Francis but would be six years into his career, so it would be a stretch on AFL rules.

Collingwood has aggressively remodelled its list management team, with long-time recruiter Derek Hine moved on and Adam Shephard declining a promotion to instead move to West Coast.

Leppitsch told the club’s pre-season documentary The Grind the club had sky-high ambitions to remain in contention while also looking to the future.

“The goal for us as a footy club is to remain competitive every year,” he said.

“To give our fans a chance to celebrate every game and a chance to know this year could be it.

“We think we can still compete for the now but also compete for the future

“It takes a lot of planning, thought and consideration but going to the bottom is not an option for us. We want to make sure we give our fans the best possible experience every game and every year, to give them hope that this year is the one.”

In the trade for Houston, the Pies gave up John Noble (Gold Coast), Joe Richards (Port Adelaide), pick 36 and their 2025 first-rounder and also got back pick 58.

Collingwood reasoned that the 2025 selection might easily drift into the 20s, where, on average, players picked only play around 70 games compared to top five selections.

They also secured GWS free agent Harry Perryman on a deal of up to $900,000 a season and St Kilda free agent Tim Membrey.

All three acquisitions look set to play a key role in the premiership tilt, with Leppitsch adamant the club had to compete for a flag every year.

Who Wrote That?

 

[soreplums]

Collingwood went all in on Dan Houston despite some of its recruiting team holding deep reservations about trading away a 2025 first round pick which could cost them a crack at Matt Rowell.

It comes as the Pies are now in talks with the AFL on whether they are allowed to instead trade their 2026 first-rounder for an established star like Rowell under league rules.

Dual All Australian Houston has trained the house down this year and shapes as an instant success, given his blend of intercept marking and tight-checking defence.

But in an off-season when McRae said, “I don’t want (draft picks), I want players”, it is understood there was robust discussion about what recruiting Houston would cost them in future years.

Collingwood’s only first-round pick from 2023-2025 will end up being pick 19 Ed Allan, with the AFL requiring clubs to take two first-round picks in every four-year cycle.

While coach McRae and list boss Justin Leppitsch were keen to secure Houston, there was much debate about whether the club was mortgaging its future for the present.

Rowell met with clubs in the off-season but even if he decided he wanted to move to Collingwood, it has little to no draft capital to make a deal.

The Pies have already traded their 2024 and 2025 first-round picks so, under the strictest interpretation of AFL rules, would have to draft a player with their 2026 first-rounder.

They have had discussions with the AFL about whether they can trade that first-round selection and have cautious optimism it is allowed, but have not yet received a definitive ruling.

The Power were given an exemption to trade a first-rounder for Jason Horne-Francis, despite those draft rules because he was only one year removed as the No.1 pick in the national draft – so the AFL felt Port was taking early elite talent.

If the Pies landed Rowell, he would also be a No.1 pick like Horne-Francis but would be six years into his career, so it would be a stretch on AFL rules.

Collingwood has aggressively remodelled its list management team, with long-time recruiter Derek Hine moved on and Adam Shephard declining a promotion to instead move to West Coast.

Leppitsch told the club’s pre-season documentary The Grind the club had sky-high ambitions to remain in contention while also looking to the future.

“The goal for us as a footy club is to remain competitive every year,” he said.

“To give our fans a chance to celebrate every game and a chance to know this year could be it.

“We think we can still compete for the now but also compete for the future

“It takes a lot of planning, thought and consideration but going to the bottom is not an option for us. We want to make sure we give our fans the best possible experience every game and every year, to give them hope that this year is the one.”

In the trade for Houston, the Pies gave up John Noble (Gold Coast), Joe Richards (Port Adelaide), pick 36 and their 2025 first-rounder and also got back pick 58.

Collingwood reasoned that the 2025 selection might easily drift into the 20s, where, on average, players picked only play around 70 games compared to top five selections.

They also secured GWS free agent Harry Perryman on a deal of up to $900,000 a season and St Kilda free agent Tim Membrey.

All three acquisitions look set to play a key role in the premiership tilt, with Leppitsch adamant the club had to compete for a flag every year.

We took first rounders in 2021- Nick Daicos
2022- Ed Allen
2023- Harry Demattia

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Collingwood went all in on Dan Houston despite some of its recruiting team holding deep reservations about trading away a 2025 first round pick which could cost them a crack at Matt Rowell.

It comes as the Pies are now in talks with the AFL on whether they are allowed to instead trade their 2026 first-rounder for an established star like Rowell under league rules.

Dual All Australian Houston has trained the house down this year and shapes as an instant success, given his blend of intercept marking and tight-checking defence.

But in an off-season when McRae said, “I don’t want (draft picks), I want players”, it is understood there was robust discussion about what recruiting Houston would cost them in future years.

Collingwood’s only first-round pick from 2023-2025 will end up being pick 19 Ed Allan, with the AFL requiring clubs to take two first-round picks in every four-year cycle.

While coach McRae and list boss Justin Leppitsch were keen to secure Houston, there was much debate about whether the club was mortgaging its future for the present.

Rowell met with clubs in the off-season but even if he decided he wanted to move to Collingwood, it has little to no draft capital to make a deal.

The Pies have already traded their 2024 and 2025 first-round picks so, under the strictest interpretation of AFL rules, would have to draft a player with their 2026 first-rounder.

They have had discussions with the AFL about whether they can trade that first-round selection and have cautious optimism it is allowed, but have not yet received a definitive ruling.

The Power were given an exemption to trade a first-rounder for Jason Horne-Francis, despite those draft rules because he was only one year removed as the No.1 pick in the national draft – so the AFL felt Port was taking early elite talent.

If the Pies landed Rowell, he would also be a No.1 pick like Horne-Francis but would be six years into his career, so it would be a stretch on AFL rules.

Collingwood has aggressively remodelled its list management team, with long-time recruiter Derek Hine moved on and Adam Shephard declining a promotion to instead move to West Coast.

Leppitsch told the club’s pre-season documentary The Grind the club had sky-high ambitions to remain in contention while also looking to the future.

“The goal for us as a footy club is to remain competitive every year,” he said.

“To give our fans a chance to celebrate every game and a chance to know this year could be it.

“We think we can still compete for the now but also compete for the future

“It takes a lot of planning, thought and consideration but going to the bottom is not an option for us. We want to make sure we give our fans the best possible experience every game and every year, to give them hope that this year is the one.”

In the trade for Houston, the Pies gave up John Noble (Gold Coast), Joe Richards (Port Adelaide), pick 36 and their 2025 first-rounder and also got back pick 58.

Collingwood reasoned that the 2025 selection might easily drift into the 20s, where, on average, players picked only play around 70 games compared to top five selections.

They also secured GWS free agent Harry Perryman on a deal of up to $900,000 a season and St Kilda free agent Tim Membrey.

All three acquisitions look set to play a key role in the premiership tilt, with Leppitsch adamant the club had to compete for a flag every year.

The whole article is based on a falsehood. We took a first round selection in both 2022 (Allan) and 2023 (Demattia). We might even use one in 2025 to cover McGuane if he is selected in the 1st round. I don't see why we can't trade out our 2026 1st if we want to and we might even be able to swap out our 2027 1st if McGuane is selected in the 1st round.

 

[soreplums]

The whole article is based on a falsehood. We took a first round selection in both 2022 (Allan) and 2023 (Demattia). We might even use one in 2025 to cover McGuane if he is selected in the 1st round. I don't see why we can't trade out our 2026 1st if we want to and we might even be able to swap out our 2027 1st if McGuane is selected in the 1st round.

We also took three first rounders in 2020-
He that shalt not be named, McRae and Reef

 

[sr36]

The whole article is based on a falsehood. We took a first round selection in both 2022 (Allan) and 2023 (Demattia). We might even use one in 2025 to cover McGuane if he is selected in the 1st round. I don't see why we can't trade out our 2026 1st if we want to and we might even be able to swap out our 2027 1st if McGuane is selected in the 1st round.

They're talking about the stretch from 2023 -2026 or 2024-2027. Didn't take one in 2024. Traded out in 2025. Might not allow us to trade 2026/2027. If McGaune gets matched in the first round it changes things though.

 

[unplugged]

Surely the "must take x amount of first round selections in y amount of years" is solely built around stopping an mediocre side from itself. Not a club like ours which only won a flag 2 years ago.

 

[soreplums]

They're talking about the stretch from 2023 -2026 or 2024-2027. Didn't take one in 2024. Traded out in 2025. Might not allow us to trade 2026/2027. If McGaune gets matched in the first round it changes things though.

Except the draft is after trade week.

 

[Mick F]

Surely the "must take x amount of first round selections in y amount of years" is solely built around stopping an mediocre side from itself. Not a club like ours which only won a flag 2 years ago.

Not white sure we should be boasting about our recruiting/trading, and salary cap budgeting, over the past decade.