List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[Mollythedolly]

I’ve made the effort to watch his games with particular emphasis on this attribute given the skepticism here previously.
Definitely not one sided - very capable on his left.
HDM is the quintessential one sided player.

Look forward to you posting footage of him kicking on the left in anything but a desperate throw the ball on the boot in congestion scenario.

 

[sr36]

Crawl back into your IPA.

Very kind to wish JMac such a glorious day.

 

[sr36]

Do they? There’s plenty of players who ask the question under contract and are shut down. If they’re coming up to free agency it’s a different story, but I think you’re overplaying how many players are actually allowed to move by their clubs while under contract.

What clubs keep them though? It's Dodo type thinking - loser club mentality in my opinion.

 

[manicpie]

What clubs keep them though? It's Dodo type thinking - loser club mentality in my opinion.

It's more common these days to let them go. We went through a stage where clubs preferred to hold them to their contract but the last 5 to 10 years It's more common to let them go

 

[jmac70]

Crawl back into your IPA.

More big calls…

“I can’t recall a footballer in the 21st century who goes back behind the mark as often,”

 

[sr36]

More big calls…

“I can’t recall a footballer in the 21st century who goes back behind the mark as often,”

Mayney?

 

[Apex36]

What clubs keep them though? It's Dodo type thinking - loser club mentality in my opinion.

First that comes to mind is Sydney with Papley. Even if they’re going to go the next year though value can be extracted. Tim Kelly from Geelong to WC springs to mind. It’s not just the unsuccessful clubs that hold players to their contracts.

What you’re describing is loser mentality imo. Letting required players walk out on agreed contracts without legitimately good reason screams weakness.

 

[jmac70]

Mayney?

You’ll have to ask Molly, he’s the king of the ‘hot take.’

He’s our version of Kano.

 

[jmac70]

First that comes to mind is Sydney with Papley. Even if they’re going to go the next year though value can be extracted. Tim Kelly from Geelong to WC springs to mind. It’s not just the unsuccessful clubs that hold players to their contracts.

What you’re describing is loser mentality imo. Letting required players walk out on agreed contracts without legitimately good reason screams weakness.

Bucks said after the game that he expects Collingwood to keep Cameron on his existing contract in 2026.

 

[Scodog10]

I think that's some of my least nonsensical.stuff. Port knew they weren't getting the full price for Houston. A good player wanting out sucks - but most clubs let them go and wear a loss.

I think you’re right just the wrong player. All of the noise around Cameron (Cummings on SEN, Twomey on Gettable and now Ralph on Fox) is now quite clearly being peddled by Young as a bargaining chip to get Cameron a pay bump in 2026. To me it seems quite clear that the delay is due to how our cap would look in 2026 if we amend his current contract and bring in whoever we’ve got on the hook.

Once the dust settles post trade week I expect there’ll be movement on his 2026 contract and the obvious reason he’s a different kettle of fish to Noble and Houston is the frustration from Young. You can’t guarantee anything, but it seems to me he’s been told I’m staying at the Pies so get me the best deal we can for 2026 and beyond. Young wants to do that while he knows there’s still space and we want to do it afterwards.

 

[sr36]

First that comes to mind is Sydney with Papley. Even if they’re going to go the next year though value can be extracted. Tim Kelly from Geelong to WC springs to mind. It’s not just the unsuccessful clubs that hold players to their contracts.

What you’re describing is loser mentality imo. Letting required players walk out on agreed contracts without legitimately good reason screams weakness.

Papley is a different era in terms of organisational culture in the AFL, but Kelly is a good point. Cats certainly play hard ball, so loser club mentality definitely isn't right. It's risky though, you'd want to be pretty confident in terms of the player and the potential impact. Just as we love love having Oleg Markov for his energy, we'd hate to have a central player pissed off because he feels he's being screwed.

 

[Scodog10]

First that comes to mind is Sydney with Papley. Even if they’re going to go the next year though value can be extracted. Tim Kelly from Geelong to WC springs to mind. It’s not just the unsuccessful clubs that hold players to their contracts.

What you’re describing is loser mentality imo. Letting required players walk out on agreed contracts without legitimately good reason screams weakness.

O’Halloran and Derkson just last year. There’d be a bunch that might want to move every year, but because they know there’s no chance the club they’re contracted to will say yes they don’t formally request a trade otherwise known as a Petracca.

 

[ZEV]

Papley is a different era in terms of organisational culture in the AFL, but Kelly is a good point. Cats certainly play hard ball, so loser club mentality definitely isn't right. It's risky though, you'd want to be pretty confident in terms of the player and the potential impact. Just as we love love having Oleg Markov for his energy, we'd hate to have a central player pissed off because he feels he's being screwed.

Bobby Hill with Essendon was a tough one that really paid off for us though. Like a reverse Ryan O keefe

 

[Harry O]

exactly right, any Collingwood supporter who panics is exactly what Cameron's manager wants Leppa and the club to do.
He is signed until the end of 2026.

Let's hope the club doesn't panic.

Let’s hope Leppa’s arrogance doesn’t get in the way of offering DC 4 years at $800k

 

[sr36]

I think you’re right just the wrong player. All of the noise around Cameron (Cummings on SEN, Twomey on Gettable and now Ralph on Fox) is now quite clearly being peddled by Young as a bargaining chip to get Cameron a pay bump in 2026. To me it seems quite clear that the delay is due to how our cap would look in 2026 if we amend his current contract and bring in whoever we’ve got on the hook.

Once the dust settles post trade week I expect there’ll be movement on his 2026 contract and the obvious reason he’s a different kettle of fish to Noble and Houston is the frustration from Young. You can’t guarantee anything, but it seems to me he’s been told I’m staying at the Pies so get me the best deal we can for 2026 and beyond. Young wants to do that while he knows there’s still space and we want to do it afterwards.

I think you're probably right about the bolded - but it'd be the same tactic whether he was willing to leave or not, wouldn't it? I think Checkers and Cameron would probably hate to leave Collingwood, but at the same time they're blokes who'd have to consider it as they won't have made enough from footy to be particularly well set up compared to their AFL peers and they'll get paid a fair bit more elsewhere.

 

[Scodog10]

I think you're probably right about the bolded - but it'd be the same tactic whether he was willing to leave or not, wouldn't it? I think Checkers and Cameron would probably hate to leave Collingwood, but at the same time they're blokes who'd have to consider it as they won't have made enough from footy to be particularly well set up compared to their AFL peers and they'll get paid a fair bit more elsewhere.

If he were willing to leave why would you bother? You just go and get the best deal from a different club, present it to Collingwood and say he’s out unless you can do XYZ.

Big difference between Cameron and Checkers though is their 2026 contract status. What the discussion boils down to is Collingwood will hold Cameron to his 2026 contract regardless and Young knows this so he won’t go the whole 9 yards and agitate to get Cameron out. We then have Cameron the individual who’s much more the ROK/ Papley personality than Petracca making waves type, IMO.

Mihocek though as a FA is simply a case of choosing out of what’s in front of him and all we can do is present our best offer in the hope his love of club sways him to stay. The offers that come to him will be bigger for longer and I think it’s Carlton that’s scariest with the Wright connection and the likely trade of McKay.

 

[jmac70]

If he were willing to leave why would you bother? You just go and get the best deal from a different club, present it to Collingwood and say he’s out unless you can do XYZ.

Big difference between Cameron and Checkers though is their 2026 contract status. What the discussion boils down to is Collingwood will hold Cameron to his 2026 contract regardless and Young knows this so he won’t go the whole 9 yards and agitate to get Cameron out. We then have Cameron the individual who’s much more the ROK/ Papley personality than Petracca making waves type, IMO.

Mihocek though as a FA is simply a case of choosing out of what’s in front of him and all we can do is present our best offer in the hope his love of club sways him to stay. The offers that come to him will be bigger for longer and I think it’s Carlton that’s scariest with the Wright connection and the likely trade of McKay.

Checkers might also have the chance of winning a third flag if he stays.

 

[sr36]

If he were willing to leave why would you bother? You just go and get the best deal from a different club, present it to Collingwood and say he’s out unless you can do XYZ.

I don't know how it works, but "best deal" can rise when it's not quite enough. I would want my manager to go back and forth to try to bid up each offer -before making a decision.

 

[Scodog10]

Checkers might also have the chance of winning a third flag if he stays.

I reckon he gets 3 years if he leaves which is a shot at a 3rd for all but a few teams. Personally I’d just like that one ticked off early so he can fully focus on his second.

FWIW Carlton remain within 3 years of a premiership if they approach this off-season well just as we were exiting 2021.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Mayney?

He’d be close.

 

[jmac70]

I reckon he gets 3 years if he leaves which is a shot at a 3rd for all but a few teams. Personally I’d just like that one ticked off early so he can fully focus on his second.

FWIW Carlton remain within 3 years of a premiership if they approach this off-season well just as we were exiting 2021.

I think if we win the flag this year, Checkers will sign late for another year.

Carlton have too many cultural obstacles to get near a flag in three years. I really think Wright has taken on more than he can handle.

 

[sr36]

FWIW Carlton remain within 3 years of a premiership if they approach this off-season well just as we were exiting 2021.

I think even sooner if they had've had the salary cap to have added Houston.

Add Houston and Newman into that team. Turn the salary saving and pick from TDK into a quality small forward and find a couple more cheap competent outside runners and that list would be a chance if they were well coached.

But think their cap is going to be too tight to do much.

 

[granniewolf]

If he were willing to leave why would you bother? You just go and get the best deal from a different club, present it to Collingwood and say he’s out unless you can do XYZ.

Big difference between Cameron and Checkers though is their 2026 contract status. What the discussion boils down to is Collingwood will hold Cameron to his 2026 contract regardless and Young knows this so he won’t go the whole 9 yards and agitate to get Cameron out. We then have Cameron the individual who’s much more the ROK/ Papley personality than Petracca making waves type, IMO.

Mihocek though as a FA is simply a case of choosing out of what’s in front of him and all we can do is present our best offer in the hope his love of club sways him to stay. The offers that come to him will be bigger for longer and I think it’s Carlton that’s scariest with the Wright connection and the likely trade of McKay.

It sounds to me like players are expected to be loyal to the club but the club doesn't have to pay them what they deserve.
I've seen so many posts celebrating the fact that we have/had really good players on unders. Might be good for the salary cap but not so good for the player's retirement fund.
If a player on a longish contract improves a lot during that contract, they should at least get some sort of bonus.
I don't want DC to go anywhere, he's so much more than just a ruckman and deserves to be paid as such.
I don't want Checkers to go anywhere and I don't think it's unreasonable for the club to offer him 2 years.
How many years was he the club's leading goal kicker.
Truth is, I'd rather lose Leppa than either of these players.

 

[sr36]

It sounds to me like players are expected to be loyal to the club but the club doesn't have to pay them what they deserve.
I've seen so many posts celebrating the fact that we have/had really good players on unders. Might be good for the salary cap but not so good for the player's retirement fund.
If a player on a longish contract improves a lot during that contract, they should at least get some sort of bonus.
I don't want DC to go anywhere, he's so much more than just a ruckman and deserves to be paid as such.
I don't want Checkers to go anywhere and I don't think it's unreasonable for the club to offer him 2 years.
How many years was he the club's leading goal kicker.
Truth is, I'd rather lose Leppa than either of these players.

The other side of the coin with the DC situation is that the club still have to pay the player the full whack if the player's performance doesn't live up to the contract size. Yet players try to re-negotiate if the player's performance exceeds the contract.

 

[granniewolf]

The other side of the coin with the DC situation is that the club still have to pay the player the full whack if the player's performance doesn't live up to the contract size. Yet players try to re-negotiate if the player's performance exceeds the contract.

Yes I realize that but sometimes there are exceptional circumstances and I think DC is just that.