List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[gouki88]

I thought my point was pretty was a pretty obvious response to SR’s assertion that pace isn’t a pre requisite because Houston and Daicos too.

For those guys to be considered depth for Daicos and Houston’s role they’ll need to develop offensive weapons. Markov has one offensive weapon which is pace and line breaking.

Until those guys develop more offensive weapons I’m backing in Markov as depth for that role over them.

Your point is obvious - everyone just disagrees!

 

[Bianconeri]

But he's still not even remotely in the best 22, even if he's a positionally suitable replacement for a particular missing player, he hasn't been in the best 22 since the 2023 Grand Final.

He was replaced in the Best 22 by John Noble last year, who has now been replaced in the best 22 by Dan Houston.

So we're talking about a replacement-level player at a position where we have a lot of young players (Ryan, Jiath, Parker, DeMattia, Cochran potentially, given his running ability). While it's possible that in 2025, on a given day, he may be the best available option for a particular role, that doesn't mean that we would necessarily need a replacement for him after this year.

If we want to challenge we’ll need depth. Other than Parker those players you listed are yet to show that.

 

[Bianconeri]

Your point is obvious - everyone just disagrees!

If my point was obvious you wouldn’t have thought it was unfair comparison in the first place.

 

[Jen2310]

in all our past experience we have never gone mature experienced with our first pick in MSD. Always best available, then needs after that. Heck, we bypassed teakle for smit.
So I'll be interested to see the way we go for this year. There are lots of overagers performing in the coates league this year, and before the MSD there will be that young guns game that generally is the point that clubs focus on.

 

[manicpie]

If we want to challenge we’ll need depth. Other than Parker those players you listed are yet to show that.

The problem with Markov is that although he has pace, he very rarely breaks lines. Actually, he doesn't get enough of the ball to showcase it.

 

[sr36]

I thought my point was pretty was a pretty obvious response to SR’s assertion that pace isn’t a pre requisite because Houston and Daicos too.

For those guys to be considered depth for Daicos and Houston’s role they’ll need to develop offensive weapons. Markov has one offensive weapon which is pace and line breaking.

Until those guys develop more offensive weapons I’m backing in Markov as depth for that role over them.

I just don't think Markov is a hope in hell of being used like Houston or Daicos - he's just about the last on the list you want to receive it if there's no running escape route - doesn't have the evasive tricks, composure or skills.

 

[Bianconeri]

The problem with Markov is that although he has pace, he very rarely breaks lines. Actually, he doesn't get enough of the ball to showcase it.

I agree, that’s why he’s been a depth player over his career.

 

[manicpie]

I agree, that’s why he’s been a depth player over his career.

I mean, they could say to him, go out there and be as attacking as you can but I don't think they want him being a distributor from defence, his kicking is atrocious.

 

[Bianconeri]

I just don't think Markov is a hope in hell of being used like Houston or Daicos - he's just about the last on the list you want to receive it if there's no running escape route - doesn't have the evasive tricks, composure or skills.

With the way we play he’ll generally only receive when there’s open space to run in.

He won’t push up behind the stoppage like Daicos or Houston but I can still see him playing as an outside high half back like he did in 2023 as depth and adapting around that when he’s in.

 

[legendstatus]

I haven't posted for a year or so for obvious reasons, but I quickly put something up then took it down yesterday ( not sure why ) but I know there will be some major player moves/changes at the end of the year. Rowell just purchased a house in the inner city Melbourne yesterday, now may not mean anything at this stage but interesting nevertheless, Pies are huge into him, also a while back there was a story about a son of a big footy identity who was up on rape charges (Balwyn area), not sure if BF circulated anything but if you want to know the person PM me not posting here.

Lastly it was Sayers wife who sent the D**K pic out of spite for the Bupa chick who was having an affair with him, that's probably known though?

Anyway, enough from me for another while.

Go Pies.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I haven't posted for a year or so for obvious reasons, but I quickly put something up then took it down yesterday ( not sure why ) but I know there will be some major player moves/changes at the end of the year. Rowell just purchased a house in the inner city Melbourne yesterday, now may not mean anything at this stage but interesting nevertheless, Pies are huge into him, also a while back there was a story about a son of a big footy identity who was up on rape charges (Balwyn area), not sure if BF circulated anything but if you want to know the person PM me not posting here.

Lastly it was Sayers wife who sent the D**K pic out of spite for the Bupa chick who was having an affair with him, that's probably known though?

Anyway, enough from me for another while.

Go Pies.

I think I'm out of the loop here. I can't PM you so maybe it's something to do with me.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

in all our past experience we have never gone mature experienced with our first pick in MSD. Always best available, then needs after that. Heck, we bypassed teakle for smit.
So I'll be interested to see the way we go for this year. There are lots of overagers performing in the coates league this year, and before the MSD there will be that young guns game that generally is the point that clubs focus on.

As I mentioned previously though, this season more than most should be needs focused because we're chips in. What's the point of picking a 19 or 20 year old key defender who won't be able to play AFL this season given we're after a flag this year?

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Rowell just purchased a house in the inner city Melbourne yesterday

 

[Jen2310]

As I mentioned previously though, this season more than most should be needs focused because we're chips in. What's the point of picking a 19 or 20 year old key defender who won't be able to play AFL this season given we're after a flag this year?

Aren't clubs after flags every year though? But I assume you mean the general feeling this year is the last year with this squad so its all or nothing.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Aren't clubs after flags every year though? But I assume you mean the general feeling this year is the last year with this squad so its all or nothing.

Correct, and also referencing the general strength of our key defensive stocks. It's reasonably clear that Fly has some scepticism on Frampton and Dean as the key defensive support for Moore and Cochran won't be ready this year.

I'm not incredibly enamoured by the likes of Tomlinson but he's at least an AFL quality, mature bodied KPP. If we make it to the pointy end of the season and we're still sweating about that position, I'd put more faith in Tomlinson being able to do a job than an over-ager.

MSD has its place for list rejuvenation. If we end up with two picks there's no reason we can't take a younger bloke. But if it's just one I hope the club recognises the context the list is in this year in particular and picks accordingly.

 

[Scodog10]

I think most of them would need to be pushed to leave. Pendles and Cox are the two most likely to actually retire, but Pendles might want that games record and I think they'll try to persuade Cox to go around again. He's good depth ruck and forward and we'd need to replace him for that as unlikely that Smit or Steene are ready by then and tbh I doubt they'll both be still on the list.

No idea who might get pushed - none of them really look past it - but there's a lot to play out - if we get really exposed for pace through the midfield they'll need to make some changes and serious injury could see the end for any of them.

There are a few younger ones who will need to shine to keep their spots:

Smit or Steene - I doubt both survive
AJ
Dean
Macrae
Markov
Sullivan

So there might not be a need to push blokes - unless we recruit a fair few.

I’m now erring towards surprise if one of the younger rucks goes and it’ll be a post trade week call on Cox. For context around why I don’t see a future beyond 2025 I expect we’ll address the gap between Cameron and the other two with a Moyle/ Soldo/ Pittonet mid career type* as insurance against Cameron moving. Cameron departing post 2026 and retaining Cox into 2026 is the stuff of nightmares for 2027 unless one of the two in the reserves gets a wriggle on.

At least 2 perhaps 3 of the other 5 you named are rookies so 3 off the senior list (4 if Steene’s included) is still very low turnover especially if we were to add 2 or more pro scouted guys.

 

[jmac70]

Correct, and also referencing the general strength of our key defensive stocks. It's reasonably clear that Fly has some scepticism on Frampton and Dean as the key defensive support for Moore and Cochran won't be ready this year.

I'm not incredibly enamoured by the likes of Tomlinson but he's at least an AFL quality, mature bodied KPP. If we make it to the pointy end of the season and we're still sweating about that position, I'd put more faith in Tomlinson being able to do a job than an over-ager.

MSD has its place for list rejuvenation. If we end up with two picks there's no reason we can't take a younger bloke. But if it's just one I hope the club recognises the context the list is in this year in particular and picks accordingly.

McRae said this about Frampton yesterday,
“Billy Frampton’s in great form and great spirits,” McRae said.

“He’s definitely had a great pre-season and he’s been walking around with his hand up all week.”

Not much scepticism there.

 

[sr36]

I’m now erring towards surprise if one of the younger rucks goes and it’ll be a post trade week call on Cox. For context around why I don’t see a future beyond 2025 I expect we’ll address the gap between Cameron and the other two with a Moyle/ Soldo/ Pittonet mid career type* as insurance against Cameron moving. Cameron departing post 2026 and retaining Cox into 2026 is the stuff of nightmares for 2027 unless one of the two in the reserves gets a wriggle on.

At least 2 perhaps 3 of the other 5 you named are rookies so 3 off the senior list (4 if Steene’s included) is still very low turnover especially if we were to add 2 or more pro scouted guys.

I think 3 draftees + 3 mature recruits seems like what we should be targetting most years. 6 in, 6 out. Most years you can shift players onto the rookie list so it doesn't really matter which list they come off from.

I wouldn't bother getting the journey man back up ruck until you need one, especially when Cox can fill that for another year - when if you've kept both Smit and Steene - surely you're expecting at least one to be relevant by 2027.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

McRae said this about Frampton yesterday,
“Billy Frampton’s in great form and great spirits,” McRae said.

“He’s definitely had a great pre-season and he’s been walking around with his hand up all week.”

Not much scepticism there.

Noted, but I'll place the following as evidence up against his comments yesterday:

1. Putting on the public record prior to trade period last year that he wanted another key defender.

2. Playing Reef ahead of him in the pre-season matches and early season, despite Reef having only spent one pre-season down there.

3. Fly telling Damian Barrett and Hamish McLachlan in two separate interviews that that position will be a moving feast over the year as they attempt to find the best mix.

All of those combined with a necessary pump-up at a presser indicate that he's not particularly thrilled with the circumstances we find ourselves in with our key defensive stocks.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I’m now erring towards surprise if one of the younger rucks goes and it’ll be a post trade week call on Cox. For context around why I don’t see a future beyond 2025 I expect we’ll address the gap between Cameron and the other two with a Moyle/ Soldo/ Pittonet mid career type* as insurance against Cameron moving. Cameron departing post 2026 and retaining Cox into 2026 is the stuff of nightmares for 2027 unless one of the two in the reserves gets a wriggle on.

At least 2 perhaps 3 of the other 5 you named are rookies so 3 off the senior list (4 if Steene’s included) is still very low turnover especially if we were to add 2 or more pro scouted guys.

AJ, Dean, Markov and Sullivan are the rookies in that list sr put together.

With the new rookie rules, if Dean plays less than two AFL games this year he can be extended for an additional (final) year on the rookie list. Otherwise he'd require promotion if he is to stay.

 

[jmac70]

Noted, but I'll place the following as evidence up against his comments yesterday:

1. Putting on the public record prior to trade period last year that he wanted another key defender.

2. Playing Reef ahead of him in the pre-season matches and early season, despite Reef having only spent one pre-season down there.

3. Fly telling Damian Barrett and Hamish McLachlan in two separate interviews that that position will be a moving feast over the year as they attempt to find the best mix.

All of those combined with a necessary pump-up at a presser indicate that he's not particularly thrilled with the circumstances we find ourselves in with our key defensive stocks.

I think you’ll find that Frampton has the full confidence of his coach and will perform well.

 

[Scodog10]

I think 3 draftees + 3 mature recruits seems like what we should be targetting most years. 6 in, 6 out. Most years you can shift players onto the rookie list so it doesn't really matter which list they come off from.

You can, but we haven’t for a while and I can’t immediately see a candidate?

You’d think Dean’s replacement will be added in the MSD and I think we’d still plan on your 3+3 at year end so I can see your list as:

Cox
AJ
Dean
Macrae
Markov
Sullivan
Veteran

I wouldn’t be tossing Markov just yet given the way the game is changing and I included him more on the basis of him being on your list. I do acknowledge that if the season goes to plan we’re unlikely to force any hands. I’m feeling vibes the problem is right now I’m seeing a bunch of teams clearly better than us (GWS, Hawthorn, GC, Brisbane and Adelaide are playing 2025 footy, IMO).

 

[sr36]

You can, but we haven’t for a while and I can’t immediately see a candidate?

You’d think Dean’s replacement will be added in the MSD and I think we’d still plan on your 3+3 at year end so I can see your list as:

Cox
AJ
Dean
Macrae
Markov
Sullivan
Veteran

I wouldn’t be tossing Markov just yet given the way the game is changing and I included him more on the basis of him being on your list. I do acknowledge that if the season goes to plan we’re unlikely to force any hands. I’m feeling vibes the problem is right now I’m seeing a bunch of teams clearly better than us (GWS, Hawthorn, GC, Brisbane and Adelaide are playing 2025 footy, IMO).

My gut feeling is that Pendles will retire, and he and Mitchell are the two I think most likely to get a nudge.

And yeah a lot to play out before they have to make any decisions - if we get smashed in running as the year plays out - we'll have to make changes.

 

[Bianconeri]

McRae said this about Frampton yesterday,
“Billy Frampton’s in great form and great spirits,” McRae said.

“He’s definitely had a great pre-season and he’s been walking around with his hand up all week.”

Not much scepticism there.

I thought “We may not have a solution for the next 20-odd games” was pretty telling.

 

[jmac70]

I thought “We may not have a solution for the next 20-odd games” was pretty telling.

Here it is: