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He will be the only forward option who can go 110+ and is underpriced due to slow start last year fading him is stupid

Agree 100% I'm not sure the logic on this one but would be happy for him to join any cash leagues I'm in. :moustache:
 
Agree 100% I'm not sure the logic on this one but would be happy for him to join my cash league :moustache:
Guy is so far clear as F1 (as long as he doesn't get injured) it's not funny

Like genuinely who would you fade him for? Rankine is suspended R1/Martin out for the year/ Darcy + Thilthorpe KPF won't push much past 100 average at best Pickett role won't get any better then it was last year and he was still 16 PPG off him

Sheezel went 118 in his 2nd year had a "slump" last year and still went 107
 
He will be the only forward option who can go 110+ and is underpriced due to slow start last year fading him is stupid
I’m not saying he is a bad pick or anything close. He is probably one of the more reliable selections at that price in the game but I do not see too much upside. I’m not claiming anyone should not pick him but you can go without too. You can go without almost anyone though so I admit it may be silly to say but unless he goes 120+ you can probably fade him without getting too far behind
 

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I’m not saying he is a bad pick or anything close. He is probably one of the more reliable selections at that price in the game but I do not see too much upside. I’m not claiming anyone should not pick him but you can go without too. You can go without almost anyone though so I admit it may be silly to say but unless he goes 120+ you can probably fade him without getting too far behind
What do you mean you don't see the upside?

Literally no other forward option averaged 100 last year and of the ones not missing early games none were with in 10 points of his average and again that was a down year for him

You would be costing yourself 10-15 points a week minimum to try and save 70-80k on far riskier options

There is pretty much no argument you could make to not start Sheezel
 
What do you mean you don't see the upside?

Literally no other forward option averaged 100 last year and of the ones not missing early games none were with in 10 points of his average and again that was a down year for him

You would be costing yourself 10-15 points a week minimum to try and save 70-80k on far riskier options

There is pretty much no argument you could make to not start Sheezel
Upside meaning I don’t see him scoring much more than ~ 10% above his price point which is what he needs to maintain his price.

I think he could go at 110-115 which means he is a very decent pick but not essential. If you have the money, absolutely pick him. I don’t understand why you think my claim is so far fetched
 
He will be the only forward option who can go 110+ and is underpriced due to slow start last year fading him is stupid
If Flanders is fit he'll go 110+.

Agree in general though, Sheezel is a simple pick. When there are so few good options why fade the best one?
 
Upside meaning I don’t see him scoring much more than ~ 10% above his price point which is what he needs to maintain his price.

I think he could go at 110-115 which means he is a very decent pick but not essential. If you have the money, absolutely pick him. I don’t understand why you think my claim is so far fetched
Your are looking at it purely from an argument of points vs cost in isolation (not necessarily the best use of money for the highest output per dollar), the other is looking at it from a broader squad building perspective comparing to alternatives, weighing up the risk of additional trades, etc.

Neither is right or wrong.
 
If Flanders is fit he'll go 110+.

Agree in general though, Sheezel is a simple pick. When there are so few good options why fade the best one?
I don’t disagree but you can get a 600k mid that may be just as good. It makes sense to get sheezel for many reasons but unless he increases his average by 15+ he is not going to ruin your season. If you want to talk about structure then yes you pick him but you can go a cheap forward line and it may not be a bad idea. We will not know until season starts. If you have the cash - no brainer. If you don’t, fading may be okay
 
I don’t disagree but you can get a 600k mid that may be just as good. It makes sense to get sheezel for many reasons but unless he increases his average by 15+ he is not going to ruin your season. If you want to talk about structure then yes you pick him but you can go a cheap forward line and it may not be a bad idea. We will not know until season starts. If you have the cash - no brainer. If you don’t, fading may be okay
It's not Sheezel vs Gulden it's Jagga/Cumming/Farrow/Sharp ect vs Dovaston/Rosas ect

There are plenty of cheap options in the midfield who will score well forwardline outside of Flanders and Sheezel there is nothing reliable
 
Upside meaning I don’t see him scoring much more than ~ 10% above his price point which is what he needs to maintain his price.

I think he could go at 110-115 which means he is a very decent pick but not essential. If you have the money, absolutely pick him. I don’t understand why you think my claim is so far fetched
Going off this you'll be lucky to start with a single premium then as most of them have no "upside" in terms of money making

You're picking Sheezel as he outside of injury is a lock for at worst F2
 
Going off this you'll be lucky to start with a single premium then as most of them have no "upside" in terms of money making

You're picking Sheezel as he outside of injury is a lock for at worst F2
I’m not saying every pick needs upside but I do argue that sheezel might not have much. Doesn’t mean he is a bad pick.

I do agree with you though about gun mid v sheezel. There will most likely be more mid rookies so in that case I agree to go sheezel and mid rookies over mid gun and forward rookie.

You could go with rookies on both lines though. It’s funny because I think we are actually on a similar page but my push back is that this game can be played differently and while I rate sheezel I do not see him as a necessity. If you had to pick a gun forward I would pick him 100% of the time but the rules don’t stipulate that.

It’s reasonably likely I do end up starting him but it’s at least worth exploring other options too.
 
At the price I think it’s fair to fade sheezel. Still a good selection and the fact he doesn’t play opening round is great but at that price I don’t see him as essential. Which leads me to say I don’t see any premium forwards as essential.

No doubt spending a bit of money on forwards makes my team look better but structure is relatively insignificant. I might have Draper/Flanders at F1 & F2. Early indications seem to be there are decent cheap options too so a cheap forward line may be the way to go
From memory I think Clarkson messed around with Sheezels role early on which saw a significant drop in price. When the role changed the premo scoring came so if the role holds he may represent a little value.
 

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From memory I think Clarkson messed around with Sheezels role early on which saw a significant drop in price. When the role changed the premo scoring came so if the role holds he may represent a little value.
That is true. No guarantee he doesnt mess with it again and no guarantee he is safe from tags. That said, he could definitely represent value. I wouldnt neccessarily count on it but lets just say i cant see his average going down. He is safe, with some potential upside. Do you absolutely need to start him? No, that is unlikely. Will he be a great pick, in all likelihood, absolutely!
 
I don't think its that ridiculous to start without Sheezel. He was heading for a 100 average season if it wasnt for a very strong last month.
It's a great idea, less competition for the $50k that way :moustache:
 
It's a great idea, less competition for the $50k that way :moustache:
I’m definitely starting him but let’s not act like he wasn’t a shit own at times. He should be fine but I wouldn’t be shocked if he had another weird season.
 
I’m definitely starting him but let’s not act like he wasn’t a shit own at times. He should be fine but I wouldn’t be shocked if he had another weird season.
True but it's the combo of price, bye friendly plus fwd/mid status this year that makes him an absolute no brainer!

You could even throw in some etc's!!

So like you, I'm giving him the smooth jimmy treatment for 2026!
 

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Really struggling with the forward line:

Sheezel — locked
Flanders — locked

Then . . . um . . .

Rankin — I would pick him if he wasn’t suspended for the first game . . . would it be absolutely crazy to pick him anyway? Probably yes.

Darcy — Took him last year and he didn’t really fire when he was in my side — if I’m taking a KPF at the start of the year I feel like you want them to be discounted to make up for score variability — can’t completely rule him out given the lack of other good options I guess.

Petracca — if I knew he’d be available as a forward at this price a year ago I would have been licking my lips, but the fact he’s moving to a team with a pretty strong midfield has been a bit spooked — could he be third in rotations behind only Rowell and Anderson? If I felt confident of that I’d start him.

Draper — have him in my current draft but not feeling happy about it due to injury history — will probably start if he makes it through the preseason unscathed

Treloar — pretty much the same as Draper — currently have him — not at all confident — no idea who I’d replace him with if he goes down in the preseason

Pickett — scoring history does not read well given his price — very unlikely to pick him

De Goey? — I’ve toyed with putting him in but I don’t think there’s really enough upside?

Lalor — training reports sound positive but I don’t think it makes sense to start him at about 300K — gets a mention because I’m struggling to find other options.

The others I do have are rookie priced — JUH, Dev, Phillipou, Sam Butler, Lombard — not sure if they’ll be picked or if they’ll be good enough on field options.

There must be Hawthorne and Melbourne players who are going to benefit from extra midfield minutes I suppose but I’ve got no idea how to work out which specific players it will be — preseason hardly ever really predicts what actually happens in season.

Anyone else got any bright ideas?
 
Really struggling with the forward line:

Sheezel — locked
Flanders — locked

Then . . . um . . .

Rankin — I would pick him if he wasn’t suspended for the first game . . . would it be absolutely crazy to pick him anyway? Probably yes.

Darcy — Took him last year and he didn’t really fire when he was in my side — if I’m taking a KPF at the start of the year I feel like you want them to be discounted to make up for score variability — can’t completely rule him out given the lack of other good options I guess.

Petracca — if I knew he’d be available as a forward at this price a year ago I would have been licking my lips, but the fact he’s moving to a team with a pretty strong midfield has been a bit spooked — could he be third in rotations behind only Rowell and Anderson? If I felt confident of that I’d start him.

Draper — have him in my current draft but not feeling happy about it due to injury history — will probably start if he makes it through the preseason unscathed

Treloar — pretty much the same as Draper — currently have him — not at all confident — no idea who I’d replace him with if he goes down in the preseason

Pickett — scoring history does not read well given his price — very unlikely to pick him

De Goey? — I’ve toyed with putting him in but I don’t think there’s really enough upside?

Lalor — training reports sound positive but I don’t think it makes sense to start him at about 300K — gets a mention because I’m struggling to find other options.

The others I do have are rookie priced — JUH, Dev, Phillipou, Sam Butler, Lombard — not sure if they’ll be picked or if they’ll be good enough on field options.

There must be Hawthorne and Melbourne players who are going to benefit from extra midfield minutes I suppose but I’ve got no idea how to work out which specific players it will be — preseason hardly ever really predicts what actually happens in season.

Anyone else got any bright ideas?
Not crazy to get Rankine at all. Plenty of people are taking premos with byes, so what's the difference?

As for the Hawks

Mackenzie or Butler if either is forward listed are worth watchlisting, but are borderline best 23.

Wiz should get some mid time, but he's too valuable up forward and doesn't have the tank, so won't be enough to be SC relevant.
 
Really struggling with the forward line:

Sheezel — locked
Flanders — locked

Then . . . um . . .

Rankin — I would pick him if he wasn’t suspended for the first game . . . would it be absolutely crazy to pick him anyway? Probably yes.

Darcy — Took him last year and he didn’t really fire when he was in my side — if I’m taking a KPF at the start of the year I feel like you want them to be discounted to make up for score variability — can’t completely rule him out given the lack of other good options I guess.

Petracca — if I knew he’d be available as a forward at this price a year ago I would have been licking my lips, but the fact he’s moving to a team with a pretty strong midfield has been a bit spooked — could he be third in rotations behind only Rowell and Anderson? If I felt confident of that I’d start him.

Draper — have him in my current draft but not feeling happy about it due to injury history — will probably start if he makes it through the preseason unscathed

Treloar — pretty much the same as Draper — currently have him — not at all confident — no idea who I’d replace him with if he goes down in the preseason

Pickett — scoring history does not read well given his price — very unlikely to pick him

De Goey? — I’ve toyed with putting him in but I don’t think there’s really enough upside?

Lalor — training reports sound positive but I don’t think it makes sense to start him at about 300K — gets a mention because I’m struggling to find other options.

The others I do have are rookie priced — JUH, Dev, Phillipou, Sam Butler, Lombard — not sure if they’ll be picked or if they’ll be good enough on field options.

There must be Hawthorne and Melbourne players who are going to benefit from extra midfield minutes I suppose but I’ve got no idea how to work out which specific players it will be — preseason hardly ever really predicts what actually happens in season.

Anyone else got any bright ideas?
I'm feeling the same, it's a shitshow. Realistically setting the bar at 90 for F6 and reckon there'll be quite a few that'll score enough to be keepers but that scoring will be volatile. Maybe the way around is to burn a few trades chasing DVP and difficulty of schedules to take advantage of that volatility? Petracca's draw includes WCE, Tigers, Bye, Melb, Swans & Dons which is pretty juicy and he should score enough to outweigh the loss in the bye round.

Paying up for premos that have the bye is costly because all your getting from a 100 ave player over those first 4 rounds is an ave. of 90, so no real value for paying up at least early on. That points cost does diminish if held over the whole year though, which makes me think that starting Rankine might be a play. It has to be weighed against having the 23rd players score being used though and that could be expensive. If you have 5 rookies on field then that'll be the 5th highest rookie score (theoretically), if you have 9 rookies on field then it'll be the 9th highest.

I'm yet to work out a starting forward line that I'm happy enough with (maybe it won't happen at all) but things might become clearer once I've checked out the strength of schedule and DVP's.
 
I’m thinking Petracca is the go

Has averaged as high as 117 before and while he’s unlike to repeat that he must be a good chance of averaging what he’s currently priced at — and given the other forward options that probably makes him a good pick
 
There would be a stronger case to fade Sheezel if he was DEF/MID. Slight chance of not being a top 10 defender, almost no chance of not being even a top 5 forward if he stays fit.

I've got Kozzie atm, but am waiting to see his role in PS games. I get the concerns surrounding him being tagged, but he's not the first player to be Windhagered, snd honestly I'd be a bit surprised if most teams bother to use a tagger against the Dees. Still think it's unlikely that he's not a top 10 fwd and he has a good bye.
 

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