Autopsy 2026 Rd 6 Collapse. Copy. Paste.

[JimmyRabbit49]

b) is the question the AFL are investigating, I guess.

Whether it was alcohol or something else. We simply don't know. How did it happen & go unnoticed for so long?

As for Bruz. He said he'd have said something to our club if he had noticed.

Isn't this the crux of it & why AFL are investigating what happened & why?

Nope - that is not the question at all.

"Whether it was alcohol or something else. We simply don't know." We do know - it just doesn't make a good story.

"As for Bruz. He said he'd have said something to our club if he had noticed." Weighing in at all to me is unhelpful, also seems odd that he would alert someone if it was one f his team mates but not if it is an opponent?

Also in a professional arena if your were playing against a drunk person who could possibly injure one of your team mates with his "erratic behaviour" wouldn't you say something?

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

He said he didn't notice Elijah's behaviour, but if he had (whether it be a team mate or opponent) he would have told someone in Collingwood's hierarchy.

not exactly -

""I wasn't aware of what was going on, but I think there was a bit of chatter happening and I didn't pay much attention to it at all and if I did, I definitely would have said something,"
""To be honest if I saw one of my teammates acting in such a way that Elijah was, then I would definitely say something and mention it to the hierarchy,

 

[BillyElliott]

Nope - that is not the question at all.

"Whether it was alcohol or something else. We simply don't know." We do know - it just doesn't make a good story.

"As for Bruz. He said he'd have said something to our club if he had noticed." Weighing in at all to me is unhelpful, also seems odd that he would alert someone if it was one f his team mates but not if it is an opponent?

Also in a professional arena if your were playing against a drunk person who could possibly injure one of your team mates with his "erratic behaviour" wouldn't you say something?

I must have missed the findings of the AFL investigation, because I don't know.

We don't know that he was drunk. The smell of alcohol, if there was any, doesn't mean he was drunk.

Do we know that Pies players didn't tell anyone? That would be part of the AFL investigation.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I get that .. could go either way but I prefer those ones to remain no frees and play on .. plowman also could see the player .. pies player was going back in the flight … AFL is amateur hour at the best of times but to be honest so o would be suprised if someone gets rubbed out this week for the same thing

Plenty of times someone going back with the flight gets pinged for front on contact.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I must have missed the findings of the AFL investigation, because I don't know.

We don't know that he was drunk. The smell of alcohol, if there was any, doesn't mean he was drunk.

Do we know that Pies players didn't tell anyone? That would be part of the AFL investigation.

We do know.

 

[BillyElliott]

not exactly -

""I wasn't aware of what was going on, but I think there was a bit of chatter happening and I didn't pay much attention to it at all and if I did, I definitely would have said something,"
""To be honest if I saw one of my teammates acting in such a way that Elijah was, then I would definitely say something and mention it to the hierarchy,

..."I definitely would have said something "

 

[BillyElliott]

We do know.

Okay. I've missed the AFL statement then.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

..."I definitely would have said something "

"if I same one of my TEAMMATES"

And he heard chatter but didn't suggest any of his team mates who did see something mention it?

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Okay. I've missed the AFL statement then.

Yep - because that is the only possible way you could know the truth.

 

[BillyElliott]

Yep - because that is the only possible way you could know the truth.

Well I don't know Elijah personally. That's the only real way.

 

[carlton_99]

Plenty of times someone going back with the flight gets pinged for front on contact.

Not if they make contact with the ball for a spoil.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Not if they make contact with the ball for a spoil.

Even if they make contact with the ball

 

[Moon]

18.5.3 Permitted Contact: Incidental contact in a Marking contest will be permitted if the Player’s sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark."

That is a strange rule..

It shouldn't matter if they only had eyes for the ball .. if they make high contact to the head it should be a free kick.
The 'intentional' aspect should only come into play if it is considered a reportable incident.
The opponent has a duty of care not to make contact to the head.
Besides, how would an Umpire know for sure whether it was accidental or deliberate..?

Sniper Hodge would have everyone believe all his elbows to the head/jaw were 'accidental' .. yeah sure mate

 

[carlton_99]

Even if they make contact with the ball

That would be an incorrect call. If you spoil the ball you should never have a free kick against you for front-on contact.

 

[carlton_99]

That is a strange rule..

It shouldn't matter if they only had eyes for the ball .. if they make high contact to the head it should be a free kick.
The 'intentional' aspect should only come into play if it is considered a reportable incident.
The opponent has a duty of care not to make contact to the head.
Besides, how would an Umpire know for sure whether it was accidental or deliberate..?

Sniper Hodge would have everyone believe all his elbows to the head/jaw were 'accidental' .. yeah sure mate

It's not just about the player having eyes for the ball but if their sole intention is to spoil. Perryman legally spoils the ball. It is not his responsibility then to quickly pull his hand away after doing so to avoid the possibility of then making contact with someone. If he spoiled and then in a second motion hit Harry then it would be a free kick but this was just the follow through on the spoil.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

That would be an incorrect call. If you spoil the ball you should never have a free kick against you for front-on contact.

Never is far too absolute.

 

[carlton_99]

Never is far too absolute.

"Should never" per the rule. If you are making a legitimate attempt to spoil the ball and you succeed front-on contact from that point on isn't illegal. Umpire incompetence is why I said "should" never.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

It's not about the player having eyes for the ball but if their sole intention is to spoil. Perryman legally spoils the ball. It is not his responsibility then to quickly pull his hand away after doing so to avoid the possibility of then making contact with someone. If he spoiled and then in a second motion hit Harry then it would be a free kick but this was just the follow through on the spoil.

"It is not his responsibility then to quickly pull his hand away after doing so to avoid the possibility of then making contact with someone." It is his responsibility not to make forceful contact with someones head.

If you take your position to its extreme I can punch my opponent as hard as I can in the face as long as I time it so I make contact with the ball first

 

[carlton_99]

"It is not his responsibility then to quickly pull his hand away after doing so to avoid the possibility of then making contact with someone." It is his responsibility not to make forceful contact with someones head.

If you take your position to its extreme I can punch my opponent as hard as I can in the face as long as I time it so I make contact with the ball first

No that's not a reasonable extension of what I said. He spoiled the ball legally and in his natural follow through caught a player high.

Also incidental contact is named incidental for a reason. You can't purposely punch someone in the head.

 

[Monty1978]

Plenty of times someone going back with the flight gets pinged for front on contact.

Like I said AFL is amateur hour .. that’s daicos it’s a free kick every day of the week .. it’s Carlton and McKay it’s not .. by the letter of the rules I’m correct your not

 

[thechamps2025]

What has got me all fired up, is the reporting the AFL have reached out to Collingwood players and that filthy club for their thoughts. Seriously, flowering irresponsible if true and typical AFL admin. I was under the impression they were waiting for Carlton's report and more importantly were getting all the updates required for now.

Think you will find the AFL is ticking all the work cover bases, this will include umpires AFL natch day officials Collingwoid staff and players. Not surprising at all .

 

[bourbons]

I mean... he was always up against it with our 'development'. Who is he more likely to turn into, Nick Watson or Jesse Motlop?

He's a good left foot kick on exposed form, yet everyone knew he was still going to miss (same as Gov 2 years ago). Coz Carlton, its just what we do lol. Hopefully he's able to put it behind him and develop, but its just another mental hurdle for the kid to overcome (in addition to whatever is in the water down there at Princes Park) rather than him nailing the kick and his confidence actually growing due to that. He'll probably get dropped next week just to really ram the point home lol

Be nice if someone was able to finally stand up and go "nah **** this, I'm just gonna go through my routine and kick this fairly regulation goal" (not just after the siren, at important stages where its required through the game, as we also saw last night). But we just never seem to be able to capitalise and grow from opportunities like that, it always setbacks never progress.

Most mentally fragile team in the comp and have been for a long, long time. Seems to pervade the entire place no matter the personnel.

Interesting last night, same situation against the same team with the shot from a similar spot. Never even looked like missing, straight through the middle.

Every single player on our list would have missed it I reckon. Maybe back Jagga in to kick it but that would be about it.

The gulf in mental fortitude, confidence and ability to execute under pressure is just so palpable when you compare us to other clubs

 

[Bluebag13]

Interesting last night, same situation against the same team with the shot from a similar spot. Never even looked like missing, straight through the middle.

Every single player on our list would have missed it I reckon. Maybe back Jagga in to kick it but that would be about it.

The gulf in mental fortitude, confidence and ability to execute under pressure is just so palpable when you compare us to other clubs

I was going through in my head the players that i would be confident in and funnily a lot of them are recruits from other teams. McG, Hayward, ainsworth, evans, newman, williams were the first to come to mind.

The first carlton draftee that popped in was Carroll and i was disappointed i didnt think of him first.