Autopsy 2026 Rd 6 Collapse. Copy. Paste.

[Koutz]

When it seemed things couldn’t get any worse, we find ourselves in an even more disappointing position.

This club needs a significant shift to return to the ruthless, uncompromising standard that once defined Carlton. The culture I grew up watching demanded accountability and excellence at every level (RUTHLESS).

Leaders such as Walls, Parkin, and Kernahan would never have allowed a situation like this to develop. Under that kind of leadership, it’s difficult to imagine someone like Hollands remaining on the list for this long without decisive action.

So what has changed over the past 25 years? Why do we continue to see these issues arise within the club? The reality is that we’ve lost that edge. The leadership appears too lenient.

Football is about winning premierships. I've had enough of hearing about inclusion, diversity and so on...... I want flags, not finals, Flags!

You can say what you like about Jack Elliott, but his singular focus was on success. Anything short of a premiership was considered failure. That level of ruthlessness has been missing for far too long.

(P.S And don't tell we about the salary cap stuff because most clubs were doing the same at the time, its just the AFL wanted him gone and Carlton to be made an example!)

 

[ajb72]

So when it is quarter time, and your forwards get together to go through whats working and what isnt, noone noticed anything? Noone said anything? No leader of the forward line or forward coach, said hey Lij - wtf is going on?

 

[Jimmae]

So when it is quarter time, and your forwards get together to go through whats working and what isnt, noone noticed anything? Noone said anything? No leader of the forward line or forward coach, said hey Lij - wtf is going on?

He was playing on the wing.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Which is unbelievable in itself given it was reported that he was being monitored by the medico's during the week leading up to the game.

So WTF was monitoring his condition pre-game and during the game? AND who actually signed off that he was fit to play in the first place given there were warning signs leading in? And why wasn't it until the 9 minute mark of the final quarter before the giant hook finally appeared?

I honestly want to see Chris Davies' shining head adorning the TV screens this week giving some answers...this bloke needs to start earning his pay, cos right now I have little faith in him running a football department. 6 weeks into the season and it's a ****ing shambles.

The optics of Elijah in the warmup and during the game doesn’t shine a good light on the overall situation, makes it look like it’s been poorly handled by those closely around him…

Im very interested in where it lands from here, I’m saving judgement until once further details are released from the club…

 

[ajb72]

He was playing on the wing.

even worse given our captain is in our mid group.

 

[gbatman]

Like your posts gbatman and know you put a lot of effort in, but can’t agree with this.

Yes the club gave him a second chance, in full knowledge of his mental health which the whole AFL community was aware of it. Club has a legal responsibility for his safety. If that meant EJ needed 24/7 attention, club should’ve factored that in before he was put back in the list.

This falls on the club, hence the AFL is investigating.

As some others suggested, maybe he could’ve played VFL for a year to see how he goes. Or we could be prepared for him to only play a limited number of games, apparently he’s been struggling for a couple of weeks now and we still selected him to play against Collingwood in front of 78000

The club trusted the player, they believed the player was able to refrain and got that wrong. How do we not know the club has done all they can? The 24/7 monitoring was a joke, you can't do that. The player has greatly deceived and betrayed the club. The club also holds responsibility for fielding him in that state, despite the fact it may have been hard to notice. There will be more to this.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

It was noticeable to me on the ground level Sector 7, noticed it maybe 4 or 5 times.
The first time I noticed it was Harry’s first goal I think in the second quarter near the boundary, he was well on his own near the goal square..H is a forward though so at this point I was just pissed but he did kick the goal and I moved on.
In the third quarter was the most damning, and where I completely lost it. Kemp took an intercept mark on half back, Elijah had no one within 40 metres of him on the wing and yet Kemp definitely looked that way then decided to kick laterally to near the boundary line.
Maybe he thought the kick was too far to be safe, would have been minimum 50 metres probably more but EH was so open distance shouldn’t have been an issue

 

[Rambis]

So when it is quarter time, and your forwards get together to go through whats working and what isnt, noone noticed anything? Noone said anything? No leader of the forward line or forward coach, said hey Lij - wtf is going on?

What is unbelievable is that we were in front for 70% of the game, leading by 3 goals at 3qtr time and lost by a shot after the siren missing by 1m. All that done with a player who was apparently running around like a headless chook. Playing with a man down like that would be a massive disadvantage and would be used by the opposition to dominate the game. Did the pies play through his wing/man? Did he confuse the opposition? Did Voss and the line coaches think that whatever he was doing out was working from team point of view?

...Or was he really not that bad and he just locked up with anxiety after not finding the ball early in the game? Can happen.

 

[jj1978]

When it seemed things couldn’t get any worse, we find ourselves in an even more disappointing position.

This club needs a significant shift to return to the ruthless, uncompromising standard that once defined Carlton. The culture I grew up watching demanded accountability and excellence at every level (RUTHLESS).

Leaders such as Walls, Parkin, and Kernahan would never have allowed a situation like this to develop. Under that kind of leadership, it’s difficult to imagine someone like Hollands remaining on the list for this long without decisive action.

So what has changed over the past 25 years? Why do we continue to see these issues arise within the club? The reality is that we’ve lost that edge. The leadership appears too lenient.

Football is about winning premierships. I've had enough of hearing about inclusion, diversity and so on...... I want flags, not finals, Flags!

You can say what you like about Jack Elliott, but his singular focus was on success. Anything short of a premiership was considered failure. That level of ruthlessness has been missing for far too long.

(P.S And don't tell we about the salary cap stuff because most clubs were doing the same at the time, its just the AFL wanted him gone and Carlton to be made an example!)

Every club even the best of them in recent years have had player issues, but never one that's been visible on-field and broadcast. I'd say since Angwin and to an extent Fev we've been very tame in this regard.

 

[The Great Ian]

So when it is quarter time, and your forwards get together to go through whats working and what isnt, noone noticed anything? Noone said anything? No leader of the forward line or forward coach, said hey Lij - wtf is going on?

Selfishness. Looking after no.1. Bereft of genuine leadership.

 

[jj1978]

One thing I've been wondering - did the club do this on purpose, letting him run out so we have cause to delist him?

Entirely unprofessional if so, but it would certainly be a statement...

If I was a player and discovered that was the reason I'd be disgusted, unethical and AFLPA and AFL would de-register anyone involved.

 

[Stamos]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Nick Daicos (COLL)
6 - Oliver Florent

14

Oliver Florent

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

350.0

5star

D

18.3

4star

K

11.7

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

350.0

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

(CARL)
4 - Jamie Elliott (COLL)
3 - Patrick Lipinski (COLL)
3 - Harry Perryman (COLL)
2 - Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

(CARL)
2 - Darcy Cameron (COLL)

 

[Gointocarlton]

People need to just calm the farm

 

[Broadside]

on a bright note new guys Ollie Florent, Ainsworth and Hayward all made good contributions

 

[AndyLucimitis]

People need to just calm the farm

Agree - yeh love all these assumptions that his fellow players and on-field leadership said nothing, that the club and coaches did nothing (but of course Collingwood players did).

Let's just wait and let them go through the process - honestly some of the faux outrage and reactions on here and other forums are frankly embarrassing.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Agree - yeh love all these assumptions that his fellow players and on-field leadership said nothing, that the club and coaches did nothing (but of course Collingwood players did).

Let's just wait and let them go through the process - honestly some of the faux outrage and reactions on here and other forums are frankly embarrassing.

Collingwood players, commentators, supporters and media could all see it. That is what they are telling the AFL.

 

[SurreyBlue]

on a bright note new guys Ollie Florent, Ainsworth and Hayward all made good contributions

The bright side would have been Elijah taking out Naicos with a fair hip and shoulder of course.

 

[Chief]

Every club even the best of them in recent years have had player issues, but never one that's been visible on-field and broadcast. I'd say since Angwin and to an extent Fev we've been very tame in this regard.

How recent are we talking?

 

[agro]

It was noticeable to me on the ground level Sector 7, noticed it maybe 4 or 5 times.
The first time I noticed it was Harry’s first goal I think in the second quarter near the boundary, he was well on his own near the goal square..H is a forward though so at this point I was just pissed but he did kick the goal and I moved on.
In the third quarter was the most damning, and where I completely lost it. Kemp took an intercept mark on half back, Elijah had no one within 40 metres of him on the wing and yet Kemp definitely looked that way then decided to kick laterally to near the boundary line.
Maybe he thought the kick was too far to be safe, would have been minimum 50 metres probably more but EH was so open distance shouldn’t have been an issue

It was noticeable on the TV Coverage when they showed the down the ground camera angle - I thought there we go again bomb it long down the line as is our way . Only after the game when shit hit the fan did I realize why he didn't want to go to the player 40 metres in the clear.

 

[Gointocarlton]

10 umpires, 23 Collingwood players, 22 Carlton players, 10 coaches, countless physios, medical staff, a runner and trainers and they all said/did nothing? Close to, if not more than, 100 players and officials from both sides said/did nothing? Please!!! Just wait for the ALL facts.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Collingwood players, commentators, supporters and media could all see it. That is what they are telling the AFL.

Agree - but what I'm saying is there is this assumption that NO ONE from Carlton saw it which I doubt is true.

The subtext to this is then - Voss or leaders saw it but then said "Bugger his mental health - we need to win this game or I'm going to get the sack - put him back out there !!!!."


I'll say one other thing - the footage of him running backwards in a 'funny' way on his own and waving his arms - which people reckon showed how 'cooked' he was - showed nothing to me . I've watched Elijah a lot and I reckon he does run and move in this unusual, sort of fidgety manner.

 

[ESKIE]

I just don't know what the point of the blame game is. Lij's career is pretty much done at this point and Carlton will go through the motions of reviewing what went on... and might end up with a fine or something but really it was a pretty extraordinary set of circumstances so who benefits from the carry on?

If Elijah goes on to have a happy and healthy life from this point that's about all that matters. The disaster that could come from all this is obvious and should terrify everyone.

Reporting beat-ups based on amateur lip reading videos is embarrassing for all involved.

AFL media these days is at an all time low

The Collingwood lip reading is just plain stupid can't believe people buy into this stuff

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Agree - but what I'm saying is there is this assumption that NO ONE from Carlton saw it which I doubt is true.

The subtext to this is then - Voss or leaders saw it but then said "Bugger his mental health - we need to win this game or I'm going to get the sack - put him back out there !!!!."


I'll say one other thing - the footage of him running backwards in a 'funny' way on his own and waving his arms - which people reckon showed how 'cooked' he was - showed nothing to me . I've watched Elijah a lot and I reckon he does run and move in this unusual, sort of fidgety manner.

I agree, he’s always had funny mannerisms that don’t appear normal to most people.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Agree - but what I'm saying is there is this assumption that NO ONE from Carlton saw it which I doubt is true.

The subtext to this is then - Voss or leaders saw it but then said "Bugger his mental health - we need to win this game or I'm going to get the sack - put him back out there !!!!."


I'll say one other thing - the footage of him running backwards in a 'funny' way on his own and waving his arms - which people reckon showed how 'cooked' he was - showed nothing to me . I've watched Elijah a lot and I reckon he does run and move in this unusual, sort of fidgety manner.

Absolutely.

Also, him running behind the filth defence to create an option and trying to get attention is typical of nothing footage. The fact everyone is highlighting this is nonsense and Collingwood players and people in general should be ashamed. They are just throwing mud and if only my club had some b@11$.

 

[GoBlues!]

We gave someone an opportunity and another chance. Not a kid. He has let us down and betrayed the club. Unless you have someone who is going to mind him 24/7 there is nothing the club can do to stop him. IMO he's done.

We all wondered why the club terminated his contract a year early and then gave him a train on opportunity over the preseason.

Most on this board wanted to see Elijah given another chance. It was probably a bit naive or optimistic to think a 3 month training block would be enough to show that he was on top of his issues and was right to go - no matter how much we wanted it to be.