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Suggest you also post the info from that article about Nick's deal and the situation with the Daicos family as it's relevant to trade/free agency.
Full text of the article has been posted here:Suggest you also post the info from that article about Nick's deal and the situation with the Daicos family as it's relevant to trade/free agency.
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Agree. Playing some youngsters at the right times, improving current players and adjusting to rule/game plan changes will go a long way. If 4 new players are established this year would be great. The few games and the lack of elite traits in our youngsters hurt at the moment. Improvement this year and end of year list changes are crucial.Tbh,
If we can get to the end of the year, and all of West, Steel, Harrison, Hill and maybe one or two of the others are in the team and playing good footy, then it alleviates some of the speed/transition and age demographic concerns we have and gives us more options going forward.
It means we can approach the off season in a more methodical way (not scattergun) and only deal on a free agent or trade if it is a good deal for us.
Blah - that sucksRowell is eligible for UFA status in 2029.
Unless you think Hawthorn can realistically pursue all 3 of Bailey, Humphrey & King, then we’re not really in a bad spotFeels like we are trailing in the race for all 4 of those players:
- Butters (behind Geelong and Bulldogs)
- King (bedding Gold Coast and Hawthorn)
- Humphrey (behind Hawthorn and Melbourne)
- Bailey Humphrey (behind Hawthorn)
Despite being a massive club since the turn of the century, we have always struggled to get the a-grade recruits we have really wanted, despite having significant needs (see Lynch, Cameron ect).
Let’s hope this is the year that changes.
Getting 1 or 2 of any of these 4 players completely changes the trajectory/outlook for the club (i.e. hushes the old list list), particularly if we can get 1 of them without being matched.
cal says dogs for butters. We are 3rd or 4th in line
Best we forget about him
You keep posting this same thing over and over about our trading. Outside of missing a couple of big names we’ve traded very well for the most part.Said this last year on the forum after speaking to a very close family member of his.
At that stage, he only had serious approaches from western bulldogs and Geelong.
We had not even made an approach.
Unfortunately, like Lynch and Cameron, we are again late to the party.
- Considering we are the biggest club in the league, and have one of the biggest player managers in the country taking care of our affairs, seems like we are again all over the shop with our approach.
Annoying.
Trying to think of the last big name we missed out on to another team.You keep posting this same thing over and over about our trading. Outside of missing a couple of big names we’ve traded very well for the most part.
Butters cost in both $ and trade will be ridiculous and far to much anyway for one player regardless how good he is.
You keep posting this same thing over and over about our trading. Outside of missing a couple of big names we’ve traded very well for the most part.
Butters cost in both $ and trade will be ridiculous and far to much anyway for one player regardless how good he is.
Unless you think Hawthorn can realistically pursue all 3 of Bailey, Humphrey & King, then we’re not really in a bad spot
BeauWhich best 23 player(s) would we consider trading to Port if it had to be part of a deal for Butters?
Sounds like you are looking for clouds in a silver lining.Geelong, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Sydney and even Adelaide have added good players consistantly over the last 10-15 years.
As an example, next year, 3 of Adelaide's top 4 players (Rankine, Dawson, and potentially Bailey) could be players they have acquired via trad from other clubs in the last 3-4 years.
We missed out on Lynch and Cameron, despite having the worst key forwards in the league as an example.
The best clubs consistantly attract the best players (and usually at a cheaper price than the poorer-run clubs do).
I think we have been good at attracting good B+/A- level players (Treloar, Houston, Schultz), but I think a lot of holes in our team have been masked by the fact that older gunds (pendlebury, sidebottom, howe) have player to a higher level for longer than we anticipated.
Every team needs a player like McStay.Which best 23 player(s) would we consider trading to Port if it had to be part of a deal for Butters?
Sounds like you are looking for clouds in a silver lining.
"We don't seem to put ground work into players 12-24 months ahead"TBH sometimes I ramble on abit about list management and it might sound more negative then I intend it to be.
Overall, I think we are not in as bad a place as the media paints us (although I do think we have some holes).
If we can get to the end of the year and all of West, Harrison, Steel and Hill are back in the team (and maybe 1 or 2 of the other younger guys) and playing good footy, then I think it alleviates some of the speed/transition and age demographic concerns we have, and will leave us well positioned considering the core of our best players are still between 27-31.
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From a strategy/higher level point of view, my critisisms of the list management side of the club over recent years are that:
- We don't seem to put ground work into players 12-24 months ahead of time and its meant we have missed out on some of the very top tier players (e.g. Richmond were putting work into Lynch 2 years out). Our strategy seems to be be to wait until the back end of each season and see what opportunities there are (Cal Twomey even said this on Gettable last year). Both Houston and Schultz trades came this way.
- Also wish we leveraged the fact that were are the biggest team with the biggest crowd better. In any other sport (even those with salary caps), the best players in the league gravitate towards the biggest clubs. We play in front of 70,000+ most weeks at the MCG, however, this has rarely translated to us attracting the best players.
Adelaide? Have I missed something? Feels like we are just as in it for Humphrey and Bailey as anyone.Sorry typo:
- King (favoured to stay at GC)
- Butters (WB)
- Humphrey (Hawthorn)
- Bailey (Adelaide the frontrunners)
The way the system is structured UFA’s are rarely as desirable as RFA’s so I don’t share your opinion.Blah - that sucks
Great cap space - we need UFAs