20th AFL Team

[GenericUsername202]

Both major parties have publicly declared their support for the project, it’s in the box seat to go through.

I swear, people use locked in so loosely these days. Even if both sides of the parties favour it, they need the votes to get it through, which requires independants to vote yes as well. Likewise, there's a tasmanian election coming up and this new stadium is deeply unpopular there right now. To call it locked in is anything but the truth. And it's not in the box seat as well, because if there's no stadium, there's no team.

Tasmania premier says AFL dream will be 'over' if stadium vote fails

Tasmania's aspirations of a team will be over if a parliamentary vote doesn't give the green light to a controversial waterfront stadium, its premier says

www.afl.com.au

3 days ago the premier said it will be all over if the stadium deal falls through. So tell me again how it's locked in or in the box seat? Of course it could still happen, but they have a lot of hurdles right now and if the AFL are publishing this, it means they're concerned too.

 

[Run n Spread]

Unbelievable game between 2 contenders and another on Thursday.
Far better than the crap served up today.
A Northern Australian team is a must. Based in Darwin

 

[wormy]

Not if the stadium deal doesn't go through, which is hugely unpopular in Tasmania right now.

"Hugely unpopular" is incorrect. I'm from there and it's super polarised. With the people opposed to it just generally people who hate football and sports. But the majority support it as was proven at the last state election where both parties basically ran on either side of the stadium issue. The yes team yes stadium side won and Labor backtracked to support the stadium as well.

The vocal minority who are against it include jacquie lambie, the greens, the anti stadium lobby including a powerful lawyer, an author and an architect who wants the land given to him so he can profit off putting million dollar townhouses on it) and interstate blow ins Wilkie and the Mayor.

All these randoms have enough political influence to create a media shitshow to sink the current government, which is fine for them because they themselves will never be in power. For the two parties who could be, liberal and Labor, they know it would be political suicide to kill the team now. For the others, they know they won't be in power, so they never have that risk and just oppose everything.

All the old rich people who retired to Tasmania from Sydney, Melbourne, etc don't care and just want to keep the state being a retirement home, so they oppose anything and eat up the negativity, while all the youth leave.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Unbelievable game between 2 contenders and another on Thursday.
Far better than the crap served up today.
A Northern Australian team is a must. Based in Darwin

The AFL scheduling two top eight teams in Darwin is hardly justification to base a team there.

 

[Run n Spread]

The AFL scheduling two top eight teams in Darwin is hardly justification to base a team there.

Could you get this atmosphere in Canberra?
I doubt it

 

[wormy]

I swear, people use locked in so loosely these days. Even if both sides of the parties favour it, they need the votes to get it through, which requires independants to vote yes as well. Likewise, there's a tasmanian election coming up and this new stadium is deeply unpopular there right now. To call it locked in is anything but the truth. And it's not in the box seat as well, because if there's no stadium, there's no team.

Tasmania premier says AFL dream will be 'over' if stadium vote fails

Tasmania's aspirations of a team will be over if a parliamentary vote doesn't give the green light to a controversial waterfront stadium, its premier says

www.afl.com.au

3 days ago the premier said it will be all over if the stadium deal falls through. So tell me again how it's locked in or in the box seat? Of course it could still happen, but they have a lot of hurdles right now and if the AFL are publishing this, it means they're concerned too.

What you're referring to is basically a vote to get the stadium done in time.

Its a long story but, the state is pretty divided between north and south, 2 or 3 years ago when the liberals approved the team and the stadium, 2 liberal politicians (who were pretty corrupt on a sepperate note) from up north quit the party solely over the stadium and went independent because they were salty that the team would be based in the south.

Then the Libs didn't have enough seats to get it through and they had to enact this super rare legislation called 'Project of state significance' which is almost never used, takes years and heaps of mucking around for it to get assessed by every man and his dog, but can get all done, despite the fact these 2 northern politicians quit.

Then a state election happened, the two who quit the party ran as independents and lost their seats. Libs got in again on a pro team and stadium campaign. Labor went the other way, lost, then decided to support the stadium as well.

The project of state significance thing has now been dragging on forever and is still in progress, it will eventually all get resolved, but issue is that the construction needs to get started.

Therefore what that article is referencing is the premier basically introducing a new legislation to allow him to bypass the project of state significance to get the construction done in time for 2029.

If the premiers special legislation to bypass the project of state significance fails, then they'll just keep doing the project of state significance process, which is taking ages, but will get the stadium done, but delayed.

In that case we'd still get the team, but I reckon the stadium wouldn't be built in time, the team would play longer at ninja stadium, and the state would have to pay a fine to the AFL for stuffing them around.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Could you get this atmosphere in Canberra?
I doubt it

That's all the NT bid is about. The "atmosphere". The "vibe". Nothing tangible.

Great atmosphere. For two top teams. For the first game in Darwin in a year. Doesn't translate for a full season.

 

[Walshawk]

Unbelievable game between 2 contenders and another on Thursday.
Far better than the crap served up today.
A Northern Australian team is a must. Based in Darwin

The climate is not suitable for AFL football.

Back-up called in as Suns consider resting players in Top End heat

Gold Coast could rotate its squad for its match against Hawthorn amid high temperatures and sapping humidity in Darwin

www.afl.com.au

 

[Canberra Pear]

The climate is not suitable for AFL football.

Back-up called in as Suns consider resting players in Top End heat

Gold Coast could rotate its squad for its match against Hawthorn amid high temperatures and sapping humidity in Darwin

www.afl.com.au

And this was round nine.

A full-time team would've had to play earlier games in worse conditions.

 

[Coolangatta]

The climate is not suitable for AFL football.

Back-up called in as Suns consider resting players in Top End heat

Gold Coast could rotate its squad for its match against Hawthorn amid high temperatures and sapping humidity in Darwin

www.afl.com.au

Not an advocate for NT as the 20th side but the five day break is also a factor in this…

 

[Run n Spread]

The climate is not suitable for AFL football.

Back-up called in as Suns consider resting players in Top End heat

Gold Coast could rotate its squad for its match against Hawthorn amid high temperatures and sapping humidity in Darwin

www.afl.com.au

Rubbish.
The top 4 is set and was set in the first 4 rounds this year in extreme heat.
Darwin climate will be fine.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Not if the stadium deal doesn't go through, which is hugely unpopular in Tasmania right now.

As it shouold be. But its such a bad move that it will get through somehow, with both majors backing it only needs one or two independent MLCs to go through despite everything.

 

[demondavey]

What player is going to want to live in Tasmania?

Tasmania is far better than the NT. Far better.

 

[Coolangatta]

I’ve suggested the same thing, Top End Round.

Canberra as team 20 in 2032 and go to 24 games a year.

NT would get four games per year, NQ six.

Only downside is it’s another road trip for the WA teams but if North keep playing two home games here then at least that’s 11 road trips instead of 12.

If the Eagles and Dockers consider doubling up on the road once or twice they could get it down to 9-10 road trips per year.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I’ve suggested the same thing, Top End Round.

Canberra as team 20 in 2032 and go to 24 games a year.

NT would get four games per year, NQ six.

Only downside is it’s another road trip for the WA teams but if North keep playing two home games here then at least that’s 11 road trips instead of 12.

If the Eagles and Dockers consider doubling up on the road once or twice they could get it down to 9-10 road trips per year.

As soon as GWS stop playing games in Canberra, Canberra should get its own team.

 

[RedV3x]

As soon as GWS stop playing games in Canberra, Canberra should get its own team.

The logical order would be the announcement of a an AFL Canberra team in conjunction with GWS consolidating playing in Sydney.

 

[stochastic]

Interesting to see NT and ACT both contribute 1.4% of total Adult Australian Rules participation in this country.

If the goal is to address underrepresentation, particularly in Indigenous communities, the NT might be a better choice for the 20th team to boost the sport's presence in remote areas, where a significant proportion of the population is Indigenous (around 30% of the NT's population identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, compared to less than 2% in the ACT). However, if the focus is on maximising growth and fanbase, the ACT remains the stronger candidate due to its urban setting and larger population.

 

[Coolangatta]

What I wish could happen is you have $100 million + a year going into turning the WAFL and SANFL fully professional and bring back the NEAFL.

Bring in promotion and relegation if you can close the quality gap after 15-20 years.

AFL (max 20 teams)
-------------------------------
VFL (including Tasmania and possibly New Zealand in the future)

WAFL

SANFL

NEAFL (QLD, NSW, ACT, NT)

Relegated AFL clubs go back to their allocated state leagues; promoted clubs into the AFL.

It's a shame Port are the only traditional non-VFL club in the AFL.

Should've been Southport rebranded as Gold Coast into the AFL.

If Canberra is going to be team 20, they might as well bring in the Demons from the old NEAFL, just rebrand them as the Lakers since they used to be Eastlake FC.

Bring in established clubs instead of creating new McDonalds franchises.

 

[Canberra Pear]

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Interesting to see NT and ACT both contribute 1.4% of total Adult Australian Rules participation in this country.

If the goal is to address underrepresentation, particularly in Indigenous communities, the NT might be a better choice for the 20th team to boost the sport's presence in remote areas, where a significant proportion of the population is Indigenous (around 30% of the NT's population identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, compared to less than 2% in the ACT). However, if the focus is on maximising growth and fanbase, the ACT remains the stronger candidate due to its urban setting and larger population.

I think people too often conflate the NT and a team of their own with Indigenous representation.

The NT has 8% of Australia's Indigenous population. And is the origin of only 18% of Indigenous players.

Victoria has a slightly larger Indigenous population than the NT. But despite having 10 clubs and loads of pathways, their Indigenous representation is only less than the NT's.

I do think we need to do more for Indigenous participation and pathways, but I don't think a team in the territory with 8% of the country's Indigenous population (based in a city with less than 1% of the country's Indigenous population) is the silver bullet to do that.

 

[Coolangatta]

What I wish could happen is you have $100 million + a year going into turning the WAFL and SANFL fully professional and bring back the NEAFL.

Bring in promotion and relegation if you can close the quality gap after 15-20 years.

AFL (max 20 teams)
-------------------------------
VFL (including Tasmania and possibly New Zealand in the future)

WAFL

SANFL

NEAFL (QLD, NSW, ACT, NT)

Relegated AFL clubs go back to their allocated state leagues; promoted clubs into the AFL.

It's a shame Port are the only traditional non-VFL club in the AFL.

Should've been Southport rebranded as Gold Coast into the AFL.

If Canberra is going to be team 20, they might as well bring in the Demons from the old NEAFL, just rebrand them as the Lakers since they used to be Eastlake FC.

Bring in established clubs instead of creating new McDonalds franchises.

Or 8 conferences:

A: Pies, Tigers, Demons, Saints, Hawks, Devils
B: Blues, Bombers, Roos, Dogs, Cats

C: Eagles, Dockers, South Freo, East Freo, Peel
D: Royals, Falcons, P. Demons, Claremont, Subi, Swan Districts

E: Norwood, Port Power, Adelaide, ???
F: SANFL clubs

G: Lions, Suns, Southport, Aspley, Redland
H: Canberra, Sydney, GWS, NT Thunder, Syd Uni

A man can dream.

Not that it'd ever happen as the state leagues won't go pro but I know the AFL would never go for promotion and relegation because they'd want their big blockbuster games every year and conferences guarantee it but pro/rel doesn't.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

There’s more discussion on this in the Tasmanian team thread, but hopefully the enthusiasm in Tasmania and the huge number of inaugural memberships sold, will ensure that Tasmania enters as the 19th team as scheduled- even if it means renegotiating aspects of the stadium requirements with the AFL.

If there is no 19th team, then I think in the absence of any of the smaller Victorian team merging/ relocating, there will be no new team at least till the new media agreement starts in 2032, and possibly till the early 2040s? The Victorian clubs and their members will not agree to relocate/ merge, and in St Kilda’s case ceased their Cairns secondary market arrangement to play all their games in Melbourne.

In his budget reply speech on Tuesday, Labor Opposition Leader Dean Winter said he would put forward the no-confidence motion in Mr Rockliff, challenging the crossbench to support it.

Key independent Craig Garland said he would support the motion, telling The Australian the Liberal government’s state budget last week that doubled state debt, the controversial AFL stadium project and the TT-Line ferries fiasco were keys to his decision.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tasmanian-premier-jeremy-rockliff-is-facing-noconfidence-threat-that-could-end-his-time-as-leader/news-story/f2cf0637b43a9507c9f986630c14983f

 

[loco3]

There’s more discussion on this in the Tasmanian team thread, but hopefully the enthusiasm in Tasmania and the huge number of inaugural memberships sold, will ensure that Tasmania enters as the 19th team as scheduled- even if it means renegotiating aspects of the stadium requirements with the AFL.

If there is no 19th team, then I think in the absence of any of the smaller Victorian team merging/ relocating, there will be no new team at least till the new media agreement starts in 2032, and possibly till the early 2040s? The Victorian clubs and their members will not agree to relocate/ merge, and in St Kilda’s case ceased their Cairns secondary market arrangement to play all their games in Melbourne.

In his budget reply speech on Tuesday, Labor Opposition Leader Dean Winter said he would put forward the no-confidence motion in Mr Rockliff, challenging the crossbench to support it.

Key independent Craig Garland said he would support the motion, telling The Australian the Liberal government’s state budget last week that doubled state debt, the controversial AFL stadium project and the TT-Line ferries fiasco were keys to his decision.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tasmanian-premier-jeremy-rockliff-is-facing-noconfidence-threat-that-could-end-his-time-as-leader/news-story/f2cf0637b43a9507c9f986630c14983f

So what do we think are possible outcomes of this?

It seems like the timeframe for building a stadium may not be met, especially if Rockliff loses and Labor want to renegotiate aspects of the build (such as the roof). Perhaps the AFL commission seek to delay Tasmania’s entry to 2030 to give them time to work with a new government?

 

[catters05]

So what do we think are possible outcomes of this?

It seems like the timeframe for building a stadium may not be met, especially if Rockliff loses and Labor want to renegotiate aspects of the build (such as the roof). Perhaps the AFL commission seek to delay Tasmania’s entry to 2030 to give them time to work with a new government?

That could work as they could start work on Canberra20 and prepare to bring both into the comp in 2030.

 

[Run n Spread]

Terrible crowd in Canberra last night in shocking conditions. The NT has clearly outperformed Canberra in terms of spectical and crowd numbers

 

[Canberra Pear]

Terrible crowd in Canberra last night in shocking conditions. The NT has clearly outperformed Canberra in terms of spectical and crowd numbers

That was Canberra's first sub-10k crowd in eight matches. Darwin literally had a 7k crowd last year.

Very easy to cherry pick on a poor day of weather, but the long-term numbers don't back up what you're saying.