20th AFL Team

[MelbourneGWS]

Based on the Prime Ministers comments today, surely it has to be an NT team?

What did the PM say?

 

[Coolangatta]

Based on the Prime Ministers comments today, surely it has to be an NT team?

what comments were those?

 

[iBeng]

What did the PM say?

what comments were those?

I cant remember the specifics but he said "You cant have a NATIONAL league and not have the south island of Tasmania." So really, he should be encouraging an NT and a Canberra team.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Behind a paywall but the gist of it is pretty clear- Tasmania as team 19, means team 20 will be in the agenda! As to where and when..hmm!

Matthews doubts AFL will stay long at 19 teams

Leigh Matthews, one of the game's most respected figures, thinks the introduction of a 19th team in Tasmania will eventually mean the AFL expands again to 20.

thewest.com.au

 

[Canberra Pear]

I cant remember the specifics but he said "You cant have a NATIONAL league and not have the south island of Tasmania." So really, he should be encouraging an NT and a Canberra team.

I get where you're coming from, but I wouldn't read too much into that. People have been saying that about Tassie for ages.

Somehow the territories never get included in that definition.

 

[Coolangatta]

I get where you're coming from, but I wouldn't read too much into that. People have been saying that about Tassie for ages.

Somehow the territories never get included in that definition.

The NT gets included, it's just the ACT that seems conveniently forgotten because people think it's a part of NSW/GWS.

 

[Thailander]

No WA3 until both WA teams have won a premiership. SA3 will be the 20th without a doubt.

 

[Canberra Pear]

No WA3 until both WA teams have won a premiership. SA3 will be the 20th without a doubt.

I love your optimism.

 

[BigChippa52]

that ain't happening i hope the afl come to their senses and realise that WA and SA are and they need to expand in Canberra they can't afford to lose that is a good developing market they need to focus on markets that are growing not ones that are fully established and have 1 or 2 teams

 

[Cleavy]

‘Let’s not have byes’: Why AFL has ‘got to get to 20’ teams — and what city already has a backer

‘Let’s not have byes’: Why AFL has ‘got to get to 20’ teams — and what city already has a backer

www.foxsports.com.au

so we say just don't bother travelling to Melbourne if the games won't make a profit?!

 

[Bjo187]

‘Let’s not have byes’: Why AFL has ‘got to get to 20’ teams — and what city already has a backer

‘Let’s not have byes’: Why AFL has ‘got to get to 20’ teams — and what city already has a backer

www.foxsports.com.au

so we say just don't bother travelling to Melbourne if the games won't make a profit?!

It's one of Eddie's most ridiculous ideas. Effectively these teams would never have an away game.

If they just redistributed clubs to locations that make more sense, all the issues would be solved (ie. play gold coast in cairns instead of Darwin, north and hawks could take that when they move out of tassie etc).

 

[Canberra Pear]

And it means every Victorian club, even the big ones, would have to sell home games.

And then, even if every Victorian club sells a home game to Canberra (including his beloved Pies), we'd still need a non-Victorian to do the same to make up 11.

I just really wish he'd get a maths tudor. He made similar weird calculations about North and Tasmania. Ideas mean nothing when the maths doesn't add up.

 

[speedpeck23]

People include Darwin and not the whole NT because the territory is ridiculously sparse.

Mongolia is the least dense country in the world, and it's still 11 times more dense than the NT.

The second biggest city, Alice Springs, isn't really worth calling a city. It's not even in the 50 biggest in Australia. And it's 15 hours from Darwin. They're not really the same market, nobody will ever be popping back and forth to follow the team.

Most other cities can rely on a decent population coming in from the region, but Darwin is bloody remote.

So it's about inclusion, representation , image of the game. It's great to have packed stadiums as much as possible....because it looks great and adds to the atmosphere. 23,000 screaming Tasmanians in the Tassie Stadium is going to look as good as any other packed stadium. Even 15,000 in a purpose built stadium in Darwin will look better than 25,000 at the MCG.

The AFL makes most of it's income through broadcast rights and sponsorship.....not directly through gate attendance. However crowd attendance and club membership is critical to the look of the game to sell on media outlets. Membership also directly helps fill club coffers but it's the spin offs in sponsorship and promoting match attendance that further fascilitates income from broadcast rights.

 

[Cleavy]

It's one of Eddie's most ridiculous ideas. Effectively these teams would never have an away game.

If they just redistributed clubs to locations that make more sense, all the issues would be solved (ie. play gold coast in cairns instead of Darwin, north and hawks could take that when they move out of tassie etc).

he has a lot of ridiculous click-bait ideas lately.

 

[Canberra Pear]

So it's about inclusion, representation , image of the game. It's great to have packed stadiums as much as possible....because it looks great and adds to the atmosphere. 23,000 screaming Tasmanians in the Tassie Stadium is going to look as good as any other packed stadium. Even 15,000 in a purpose built stadium in Darwin will look better than 25,000 at the MCG.

The AFL makes most of it's income through broadcast rights and sponsorship.....not directly through gate attendance. However crowd attendance and club membership is critical to the look of the game to sell on media outlets. Membership also directly helps fill club coffers but it's the spin offs in sponsorship and promoting match attendance that further fascilitates income from broadcast rights.

I think you're a bit optimistic if you think Darwin will be packing out its stadium a couple years after the novelty wears off.

Darwin doesn't have a lot of history hosting more than one game a season. But when it has hosted two games, average crowds are down 27%. Imagine that over four times as many games. There'll be a a boost for their own team, but you're asking a lot for 10% of the city to consistently rock up to eight or nine games a year.

After a few years, I'd expect Darwin crowds to average 7-8k.

Canberra on the other hand would absolutely consistently sell out a 15k-capacity stadium. It'd fill out a 20k stadium better than a Darwin team would fill out a 15k stadium.

 

[Rob]

So it's about inclusion, representation , image of the game. It's great to have packed stadiums as much as possible....because it looks great and adds to the atmosphere. 23,000 screaming Tasmanians in the Tassie Stadium is going to look as good as any other packed stadium. Even 15,000 in a purpose built stadium in Darwin will look better than 25,000 at the MCG.

The AFL makes most of it's income through broadcast rights and sponsorship.....not directly through gate attendance. However crowd attendance and club membership is critical to the look of the game to sell on media outlets. Membership also directly helps fill club coffers but it's the spin offs in sponsorship and promoting match attendance that further fascilitates income from broadcast rights.

The AFL might make most of it's income from TV, but most clubs don't.

A lot of people underestimate how much is made from match day. It can be huge if you get decent crowds that pay decent prices.

 

[catters05]

Will the AFL make the Govt build a similar stadium in Canberra with a roof for 20th license? That would be interesting.

GWS focusing 100% on West Sydney would be good, having 3 NSW/ACT teams would surely help out building youth talent.

Teams like Hawks, Roos etc that were selling games in Tas could add to NT/Nth QLD/NZ/Asia/USA live games as I can’t see NT getting a license in my lifetime unless heavily sponsored by federal govt. I wouldn’t waste money playing games in places like Newcastle or Townsville etc.

Tasmania, Canberra need to follow the Cats with attracting players as a destination club with it’s smaller city lifestyle etc.

What’s the AFL plan for marvel stadium? Will they build a third boutique smaller Melbourne stadium to help with the smaller crowds?

 

[The Sultan]

speculation (conspiracy) hat on... the 20th team will be an NT/North Qld "Indigenous" team. The Fed Govt will support this financially. Not szaying all player need to be indegenous to play, but its culture and identiy will be closely linked to it.

Slightly related and what got me thinking of it. I heard something on the news and it was only a brief comment, that there was talk of the Fed Govt support of the Tassie deal was linked to the AFL supporting the indigenous voice to parliment

 

[Walshawk]

It'd be too soon this time around, but I thought them a cheeky chance for the 21/22 expansion.

It'd be the only major team in the city. It'd be incredible if we managed to get there before the NRL. And they've got other priorities first.

If the AFL targets it now with grassroots, and annual games, that could get the appetite ready for a team in 20-30 years.

SC is sparsely populated, sprawling collective of communities that is called a city for administrating purposes, whose residents largely prefer Rugby League.

Sounds like a winner.

 

[Walshawk]

Will the AFL make the Govt build a similar stadium in Canberra with a roof for 20th license? That would be interesting.

GWS focusing 100% on West Sydney would be good, having 3 NSW/ACT teams would surely help out building youth talent.

Teams like Hawks, Roos etc that were selling games in Tas could add to NT/Nth QLD/NZ/Asia/USA live games as I can’t see NT getting a license in my lifetime unless heavily sponsored by federal govt. I wouldn’t waste money playing games in places like Newcastle or Townsville etc.

Tasmania, Canberra need to follow the Cats with attracting players as a destination club with it’s smaller city lifestyle etc.

What’s the AFL plan for marvel stadium? Will they build a third boutique smaller Melbourne stadium to help with the smaller crowds?

There are heaps of Taswegians in Melbourne. Crowds will be solid. Comparable with Swans/Lions/Crows (maybe 5k away fans) rather than GC/GWS (maybe 50 - 100 away fans).

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Gill indicating that 20th team is “likely” and that 5-6 years is the period for ain uneven number of teams. I would have thought that the new team would likely to commence in 2032 to maximise the value of the broadcast rights which are scheduled to cease in 2031. If so, then the new 20th team will need to be decided by 2027ish to allow for this?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-would-likely-expand-to-20-teams-to-create-an-even-number-after-addition-of-tasmania/news-story/33b6e51cfd18158381da6be3050a3de3

 

[Canberra Pear]

Gill indicating that 20th team is “likely” and that 5-6 years is the period for ain uneven number of teams. I would have thought that the new team would likely to commence in 2032 to maximise the value of the broadcast rights which are scheduled to cease in 2031. If so, then the new 20th team will need to be decided by 2027ish to allow for this?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-would-likely-expand-to-20-teams-to-create-an-even-number-after-addition-of-tasmania/news-story/33b6e51cfd18158381da6be3050a3de3

From the more recent stuff I've read, Tasmania will enter in 2028.

Five seasons with a bye would mean a 20th team entering in 2033.

GWS' deal in Canberra ends at the end of 2032.

It's all coming into place.

 

[The_Wookie]

The AFL might make most of it's income from TV, but most clubs don't.

A lot of people underestimate how much is made from match day. It can be huge if you get decent crowds that pay decent prices.

Its not even true of the AFL at the moment (47% - and thats not including grant revenue), but less true of the clubs.

Entity	Dist % Rev
AFL	47.42%​
Adelaide
Brisbane	22.24%
Carlton	15.67%
Collingwood	16.11%
Essendon	18.64%
Fremantle	18.81%
Geelong	24.45%
Gold Coast	59.66%
G.Western Sydney	59.56%
Hawthorn	13.93%
Melbourne	32.64%
North Melbourne	39.10%
Port Adelaide
Richmond	12.43%
St Kilda	36.11%
Sydney	16.25%
West Coast	16.16%
Western Bulldogs	31.30%

 

[Perry Pie]

It's one of Eddie's most ridiculous ideas. Effectively these teams would never have an away game.

If they just redistributed clubs to locations that make more sense, all the issues would be solved (ie. play gold coast in cairns instead of Darwin, north and hawks could take that when they move out of tassie etc).

The idea of GWS playing 11 games in Sydney and 11 in Canberra is too extreme, but something less extreme might make sense.
For GWS one away game in each of WA, SA, Qld and 1 or 2 Vic (every second year in Tassie from 28 - yeh!). Thats 5 games "interstate" and leaves 17 games to split between Sydney and Canberra. Say 10 home in Sydney, 7 Canberra, that could be a strong way to build up from where we are now. (there will always be an away in Sydney too so that get you to 11 in Sydney overall).

The bye in 2028 (assuming we dont get 20th team) is likely to add to the season length to cover byes (or its fewer games per club) ... hmm 19 does not work. 2 new teams in 28 makes sense.

 

[Angus Young]

Out of Canberra and N.T

Which one would be more successful?

Terms of crowds, memberships, profit etc?