22 point domination...

[AngelEyes]

They weren't good signs if they weren't Geelong. It's just we know how good they can be. A couple of things you must also remember is that the reason it was so easy for Geelong to score was because they got through the zone and gave their forwards oppurtunity's one out. Collingwood's forward 50 was far more crowded due to the domination of the inside 50 count. Counter attacking goals are much easier than manufacturing them in a clogged up forward 50.

But yes, I generally agree with what you said. There is improvement in the Cats.

With Geelong or whoever it was, it doesn't make a terrible lot of difference. You play the best in September. You were clearly inefficient and only created two goals off your own back. This is a cause for concern. What happens if Geelong don't fumble. How are you going to score goals? If anything last night highlighted Collingwood have some serious forward problems. Creating two goals doesn't win you a final.

I would suggest that Geelong's forward line was far more empty because the speed and precision which they moved the ball. Collingwood moved it relatively slow where Geelong went straight down the middle and fast. Thats a problem Geelong creates for all opponents and you were severely exposed last night on that. The number of entries don't mean they were effective. Geelong's forward entries were far more efficient and better.

These goals weren't all on the counter attack. A lot of them were winning from stoppages or contests around the ground where Collingwood lost possession and were caught out. I don't think its as great win as Collingwood fans are making out. Good but they showed a lot of deficiencies against a Geelong team at 70% intensity.

 

[Zeke]

Geelong team at 70% intensity.

Did you use your highly effective bullshitometer to measure the Geelong intensity level?

 

[Mosca]

saying they played at 70% intensity isn't fair to the Pies.

Having said that, watching the Cats intensity level last night, it definitely looked like they didn't want it as much as Collingwood did. I think it meant alot more to the Pies.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Next time we'll have Gaz playing predominently out of the midfield too and will have Blake back. Our stoppage work around the ground was bad when Hawkins was on, and when Ablett wasn't in there winning the clearances.

 

[Lazyboy]

Funny enough I don't think the cats will make the GF, they look slow and old. I used to fear Chapman, Mooney, Ottens, Scarlett, Milburn but they are just crabs these days. The cats lack pace and finals will go up a notch and expose them even more.

So the theory is a dead duck.

 

[Conan Troutman]

Chapman is coming 5th in the coaches votes this year. Not bad for a crab.

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

Did you use your highly effective bullshitometer to measure the Geelong intensity level?

He must keep it in his arse because that's where he pulled that stat from.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

All these comments about Geelong playing at a lower intensity last night are rubbish. A fair few Cats were dead set spent in the 4th quarter last night. They put in massive effort and it sapped them completely.

The other comments that "we only created two goals" because the rest of our goals came from Geelong mistakes are even more ignorant. Have you guys watched us at all this year? It's like that nearly every week. Teams can't get through our press and high intensity pressure game. They were trying, they just didn't have the composure, i.e. they weren't good enough. Last night was a belting in everything but the scoreboard, there was a chasm between the sides.

The Cats were rushed and looked lost, mistakes followed. Why can't all you people just give credit where it's due? We have been the best team this year and have the hardest draw of all of the current top 4 sides. Does this guarantee us a premiership? No, but we are certainly on track and gave Geelong a genuine belting last night.

 

[bulletproof]

Last night really felt like Geelong is in terminal decline. The side is unrecognisable from the 07 side. That Collingwood could only win by 20 points suggests they are a solid not outstanding side. It was not a changing of the guard, because Collingwood are not a great team. One of those when anyone could pinch it. I doubt it will be Geelong though.

 

[Zeke]

He must keep it in his arse because that's where he pulled that stat from.

It's a 'she', but no one would fault you for making that mistake.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Chapman is coming 5th in the coaches votes this year. Not bad for a crab.

Yeah but he was leading, he is crawling to the line and I would bet that he wont be in the top 10 by the end of the season, there is a log jam just behind him.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Yeah but he was leading, he is crawling to the line and I would bet that he wont be in the top 10 by the end of the season, there is a log jam just behind him.

Wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the heavy knock he copped last week, when he had to spend a large amount of time on the bench?

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the heavy knock he copped last week, when he had to spend a large amount of time on the bench?

Nope. His slide started well before that.

 

[FuManchu]

The last 9 years, the team that wins the grand final has lost to the runner up on the most recent encounter. So, unless we play each other in the qualifying final and meet in the grand final...

Thats a bit like saying Geelong lost a succession of GF's so they weren't going to win in 2007. Things change. What was once eventually becomes no more.

 

[Geelongsince1984]

I say it'll be an interesting finals series this year and no team is certain to be in the grand final. Collingwood have to win a preliminary final, Geelong need to find form and stick with it. Saints are getting reiwoldt fit for their push (reiwoldt will be their key this year) and the Dogs have hall who has won a premiership himself and can kick goals.
All this arguing over who is better.. Lets just wait til that last saturday in september to end the arguement

 

[Heritier 09]

All this arguing over who is better.. Lets just wait til that last saturday in september to end the arguement

spot on. let's do that.

though in fairness there's absolutely no point arguing who was better last night, or who's been the better of the 4 sides you mentioned thus far in 2010.

no one should fear anyone else is what last night showed. we are a flawed, working class, out and out champion team, with a sole focus, an even spread across 30 players, STAR quality, and a superb coach.
and last night we beat a team of "champions"

there's no denying what geelong have been this last 4 years. they're right in the thick of the "best of all time" debate, for sure. but what they served up last night got eaten by a hungry magpie.

 

[doppleganger]

1 vs 2 home and away season showdown:

2007 round 21 - Geelong vs Port:

Winner - Port
Rematch in Gfinal winner - Geelong

2008 round 17 - Geelong vs Hawthorn:

Winner - Geelong
Rematch in Gfinal: winner - Hawthorn

2009 round 12 - Geelong vs St Kilda:

Winner - St Kilda
Rematch in Gfinal winner - Geelong

Just sayin

Seriously, we see this shit happen every year, and it doesn't count for anything as history shows.

Just like in '06 when Sydney beat West Coat in the first round.
Or go back to when Collingwood beat the Lions in 03 in the first round, only to be embarrassed by them 3 weeks later.

Don't put too much stock into ONE meaningless game.

Since when do Geelong have 2nd spot sewn up??

If they lose to the Dogs - massive chance that may happen, next week they will slip down to 4th spot.

Pies are clearly a young team on the rise......great time to be a pies fan!

 

[Morris Major]

Can help but think how the game might've turned out if Byrnes' goal counted. Would've taken the lead to 3 goals? (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[ClarkeM]

If we didn't kick 23 behinds... we would have lost.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Can help but think how the game might've turned out if Byrnes' goal counted. Would've taken the lead to 3 goals? (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Would have made the lead two goals. People are forgetting that Steve Johnson kicked a goal minutes later to make the lead two goals anyway. Varcoe and Selwood also missed two goals from set shots to extend the lead.

Still, the goal should have been paid regardless.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

hate to say this but imo the flag is the pies to lose, the cats had their best side in tonight and should have lost by 10 goals. Do they have more tricks up their sleeve for next time if they play again? i doubt it. The dogs are the only side that can beat the pies and considering they are hitting peak form now they look to be the legitimate challenger. I would have said the hawks were a sniff but after todays pathetic performance i fear what will happen round 22.

sorry no lonnergan he'd be there every week at adelaide but hes not best 22 at geelong...woljenski, max rooke would out that guy if fit.


people just lining up to take a dump in this thread.
absolutely pointless, this game was worth what?
nothing wrong at geelong, nothing in decline your wishing it was basicaly they are all around prime age, and all the time prime age will stretch out the way lifespans do when health and fitness understanding improves... its just regurgitated soundbites all the time I mean seriously any of those sides will win on the day....you dont show up to play or your just a smidge off youll get spanked and not even by the top sides the bottom sides with enough motivation will rip you up.
Geelong are where they are because they are generally consistant where as other teams are bouncing up and down they just play their style and if the opposition doesn't beat them considerably at the contest they end up winning anyway and it could of happened again just a couple goals the other way and thats it and all it would take is two turnovers so the pies have done well simple as that.

I imagine the inaccuracy might have something to do with where kicks were taken as to where the ball was being transitioned and the pressure of a perceived big game as well as having cloke heh.

The number of points also means that number of kickins and if you cant clear its a different game then back to centre breaks.

 

[Conan Troutman]

Since when do Geelong have 2nd spot sewn up??

If they lose to the Dogs - massive chance that may happen, next week they will slip down to 4th spot.

Pies are clearly a young team on the rise......great time to be a pies fan!

I think the "1 vs 2" is referring to the grand final teams.

It's a good point bringing up 4th though, because if Geelong finish 4th and Collingwood 1st, the game last night cannot count for that stat.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

It was a great win by collingwood. They played at their absolute peak all night while Geelong barely got out of second.

Yes, I'm really impressed with the way they were shut down by the pies for nearly the entire match.

I'm more than confident we will bring our A game to the finals stage.

Why, when you can't even get out of second gear against the pies?

 

[Amber Guzzler]

They magpies have been up for a while now, whats goes up must come down and you lowlife Magpie supporters wanna hope ts not on the big day thats if you make it.

We've not been up for nearly as long as the cats have. Indeed, what went up a little over 3 years ago appears to be on its way down now. We are witnessing the changing of the guard. Collingwood are now the team to beat, Collingwood are now the dominant force in the AFL. The reign of the cat is over.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

sorry no lonnergan he'd be there every week at adelaide but hes not best 22 at geelong...woljenski, max rooke would out that guy if fit.


people just lining up to take a dump in this thread.
absolutely pointless, this game was worth what?
nothing wrong at geelong, nothing in decline your wishing it was basicaly they are all around prime age, and all the time prime age will stretch out the way lifespans do when health and fitness understanding improves... its just regurgitated soundbites all the time I mean seriously any of those sides will win on the day....you dont show up to play or your just a smidge off youll get spanked and not even by the top sides the bottom sides with enough motivation will rip you up.
Geelong are where they are because they are generally consistant where as other teams are bouncing up and down they just play their style and if the opposition doesn't beat them considerably at the contest they end up winning anyway and it could of happened again just a couple goals the other way and thats it and all it would take is two turnovers so the pies have done well simple as that.

I imagine the inaccuracy might have something to do with where kicks were taken as to where the ball was being transitioned and the pressure of a perceived big game as well as having cloke heh.

The number of points also means that number of kickins and if you cant clear its a different game then back to centre breaks.

You have the most simplistic football mind in the world. Way to analyze the shiite out of the game...