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How long will Buddy play for Sydney?

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Lance Franklin
Lance Franklin is a giant of the game. The star Sydney Swans forward has played 300 AFL games, won two premierships with Hawthorn, is the seventh-greatest goal-kicker in VFL/AFL history, is one of just five men with eight All Australian blazers and is the most recent player to have kicked 100 goals in a season. The Western Australian is also one of just two players in the game’s history, along with former Swan and Saint Tony Lockett, to have booted 300 goals for two clubs. Franklin was added to a leadership group for the first time in his career ahead of season 2020, joining co-captains Josh Kennedy, Luke Parker and Dane Rampe, as well as Callum Mills. But the 33-year-old, who was named captain of the 2018 All Australian team, has long been considered an exceptional unofficial leader, so great is his impact on Will Hayward, Nick Blakey, Ben Ronke and the rest of Sydney’s young forwards.

Lance Franklin
DOB: 30 January 1987
DEBUT: 2005
DRAFT: #5, 2004 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Dowerin (WA)/Perth (WAFL)/Hawthorn

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MC Bad Genius said:
Yeah, I found it surprising too, especially considering Goodes has two of them to his name. But while Adam is an absolute champion, there's no denying that Buddy is a better footballer, so it really shouldn't be that surprising.
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The last out and out forward (not forwards who go into the midfield like Aker) to win the Brownlow was Lockett in '87. It is pretty surprising that a CHF has more Brownlow votes than a 2x winner
 
caesar88 said:
I think Goodes is the more talented footballer, and Buddy is the more dominant footballer.

In a sense Goodes was the jack of all trades, probably the most versatile player in AFL/VFL history.

Buddy was the master of one, that being the roaming CHF who kicked the 1980s/90s equivalent of about 1200 goals.

Talent doesn't ensure Brownlow success, otherwise the likes of Cyril Rioli would have one. But dominance is the sure way to Brownlow success.

In that sense, it's actually more incredible that Goodes did as well as he did where the Brownlow is concerned.
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I think versatility doesn't necessarily equate to talent though. Goodes was certainly the more versatile and that's part of what allowed to him to be so good and to win multiple Brownlows. But I think you'd be hard pressed to nominate any footballer who is more naturally gifted than Lance Franklin. Physically, skill-wise, instinct-wise, and just his natural industriousness and work ethic. He's remarkable.

The reality is, as well, that we're talking about 2 of the greatest 30ish players to ever play. Just one of them is in the top 10 and the other is in the top 20-30 probably.
 
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S120 said:
I think versatility doesn't necessarily equate to talent though. Goodes was certainly the more versatile and that's part of what allowed to him to be so good and to win multiple Brownlows. But I think you'd be hard pressed to nominate any footballer who is more naturally gifted than Lance Franklin. Physically, skill-wise, instinct-wise, and just his natural industriousness and work ethic. He's remarkable.

The reality is, as well, that we're talking about 2 of the greatest 30ish players to ever play. Just one of them is in the top 10 and the other is in the top 20-30 probably.
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The more talents you have as a footballer the more versatile you can be. Goodes had a great running ability, which allowed him to attack off half back and the wing. He had a great aerial capacity, which allowed him to take great marks and compete in the ruck. He had great nous inside the contest, which allowed him to rove his own ball and win damaging clearances. He had great foot skills, which allowed him to set up team-mates all over the ground. He had great strength and power, which allowed him to play as a leading forward inside 50. And he had great goal sense, which allowed him to play as a crumbing forward winning ground balls and kicking roving goals.

Buddy is gifted, but his scope is not as wide. He's as quick as Goodes, but has never had to put his pace and running ability to the test by being a two-way runner. He doesn't have Goodes' aerial ability, nor his instincts for the contest on the inside (in fairness, he's never had to).

Where he matches Goodes is in his ball use, his strength and power in one on ones, and his goal sense. The only real gift Buddy has that Goodes didn't have is that thumping left boot, and that one gift alone has made Buddy the greater player. It's netted over 900 goals and helped Buddy dominate more games than Goodes ever did. But I still maintain that Goodes' gifts were more copious.

What we could safely say though is that we've been incredibly blessed to have probably the three single most exciting 190cm+ players to have ever played the game all wear the red & white. (I've included Lockett, which even though I only saw the tail end of his career, I doubt anyone would object.)
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
Real shame Franklin and Goodes only played 80 games together.
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Unless they played against each other more times than I can remember I think you would find this as statistically impossible.

Franklin arrived at the Swans in 2014... Goodes retired in 2015.
 
Bonz said:
Unless they played against each other more times than I can remember I think you would find this as statistically impossible.

Franklin arrived at the Swans in 2014... Goodes retired in 2015.
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If both played 20ish games in each season you could understand the small math error
 
Bonz said:
Unless they played against each other more times than I can remember I think you would find this as statistically impossible.

Franklin arrived at the Swans in 2014... Goodes retired in 2015.
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what if they played really well
 

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Heeney2Franklin said:
How would the 2016 side match up against the 2014 side?
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Probably give it to 2014 - better rucks, better forwards, better backs. 2016 had slightly better mids.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
How would the 2016 side match up against the 2014 side?
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I would take the 2016 side in a heartbeat, though the game has changed a lot.

2014 was more experienced but I thought 2016 side had a lot more pace and dynamism in it so you'd back that team to have more chance of success in the fast-paced current game. Though apparently we were still not dynamic enough as our single weakness that year was getting shown up by even more dynamic teams, being GWS and Bulldogs who we suffered repeat losses to.

2014 team would basically be a bottom eight side now days I reckon as the game has just changed that much. That's why I give Horse a fair bit of leniency as he has had to adapt a whole new team to a pretty different style of footy in a relatively short period of time.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
How would the 2016 side match up against the 2014 side?
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2014 team in a heartbeat. Rampe is the weakest player in that defence, Reid is running around as the third wheel in attack and Lloyd & Bird are keeping Mitchell out of the midfield. Looking through that list it was bonkers strong
 
BloodySwan said:
2014 team in a heartbeat. Rampe is the weakest player in that defence, Reid is running around as the third wheel in attack and Lloyd & Bird are keeping Mitchell out of the midfield. Looking through that list it was bonkers strong
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