Past #24: Levi Greenwood - officially traded to Collingwood FC for pick 25 (2014)

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i agree that is why i want to hear from the club. He has asked to be traded so now i want to know what the club is thinking.

I suggest the Club's thinking is along the lines of you greedy campaigner Levi.

1.8mil over four years. Good luck with that and well done Levi.

Am hoping the two picks in the twenties comes off, add in sixteen and we've three in close proximity.

That makes drafting easier.
 

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How can people say the club stuffed this up? Greenwood's own manager said that our latest offer would have been accepted 3 months ago. The problem... HE WASN'T WORTH THAT 3 MONTHS AGO! How could the club anticipate then that he would be worth that now or that another club would be prepared to pay overs? We offer him what he's worth now but another club is prepared to pay overs and I, for one, am incredibly happy that the club is not prepared to pay overs for a guy (and potentially undermine future list management decisions) who plays a position where we have plenty of depth and are willing to stand firm on their list strategy.

All this nonsense about how people here think they know better than the club has to stop. Unless you're on the coaching committee or you are a player you have absolutely no idea why Greenwood didn't play all that much before this year so stop pretending you do. You're not Cameron Joyce or anyone involved in list management decisions so stop suggesting that the club has made awful decisions in this regard. They obviously have a clear strategy and know that strategy far better than anyone on here. That is of course unless Joyce has an account on BF.
 
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Pies - Greenwood & Pick 5 & Pick 36.
Lions - Beams .
Kangas - Daniel McStay & Pick 30

Collingwood Gain Pick 5 and McStay from Brisbane for Beams.
Kangas - Get McStay a backman they need and an upgrade from 36 to 30. Hopefully grab Nakia Cockatoo.
 

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are you sure? I have been advised by someone close to the club that Levi was a FA at 12 noon last Friday. you can take that to the bank.;)
Interesting this...I think this is right ...not 100%
Players who are not in the top 25 per cent of salaries at their club are eligible for unrestricted free agency if they have served at least eight years with the club.
Greenwood wouldnt be in top 25% (Or would he?)
And he debuted in 2008 so its his 7th year.
I stand to be corrected
 
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Liam Pickering just said on SEN that Levi also felt that if North had a full strength midfield available that his position would be in jeopardy. North had offered 3 years
Geebus now him as well didn't Gibson pull the same shit?
 

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Shattered. Yes. But paying him overs would have been bad player management down the track. The club knew this and that is why it has happened. This is why we got blokes like Geoff Walsh back to the club, been around a while and knows his stuff.
 
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How can people say the club stuffed this up? Greenwood's own manager said that our latest offer would have been accepted 3 months ago. The problem... HE WASN'T WORTH THAT 3 MONTHS AGO! How could the club anticipate then that he would be worth that now or that another club would be prepared to pay overs? We offer him what he's worth now but another club is prepared to pay overs and I, for one, am incredibly happy that the club is not prepared to pay overs for a guy (and potentially undermine future list management decisions) who plays a position where we have plenty of depth and are willing to stand firm on their list strategy.

All this nonsense about how people here think they know better than the club has to stop. Unless you're on the coaching committee or you are a player you have absolutely no idea why Greenwood didn't play all that much before this year so stop pretending you do. You're not Cameron Joyce or anyone involved in list management decisions so stop suggesting that the club has made awful decisions in this regard. They obviously have a clear strategy and know that strategy far better than anyone on here. That is of course unless Joyce has an account on BF.
So do you believe every list manager in the AFL gets it right 100% of the time?

If not, then odds are people on forums who disagree with the AFL list managers might actually get it right some of the time.
 

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I've already cleaned my hands of him. He wants to piss off to effing Collingwood, let him.

Collingwood will stiff us, we lose-lose-lose.

Hope people have backpedalled on the "we are a destination club" rubbish now. We wouldn't have this if we were.
 

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Liam Pickering just said on SEN that Levi also felt that if North had a full strength midfield available that his position would be in jeopardy. North had offered 3 years
In a nutshell, the above quote says it all.

Levi is a fantastic player etc etc. but there are 3 players already ahead of him in his preferred role at the club.

It's a loss but not a critical one.

Key now is to use the situation to our advantage and ensure we get adequate compensation.
 

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So do you believe every list manager in the AFL gets it right 100% of the time?

If not, then odds are people on forums who disagree with the AFL list managers might actually get it right some of the time.
The point was that people ignore facts in favour of assuming one thing or another to suit their own argument/agenda and in the end just make stuff up. Sure sometimes they get it wrong, but the facts in this case point to the opposite. Many posters on here assume they know better than the people that are paid to make these decisions, but they don't and it's disrespectful to those people. If they did know better they would have a job at an AFL club.
 

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Hmm just read the transcript of Pickering. Might've been diplomatic but I agree with those who thought it was pretty damning.

We stuffed this up. Before the "club is always right" brigade protest, don't tell me that losing a guy hitting his physical peak who missed winning our B&F by 2 votes in a top 4 year was part of the plan.

We fluffed this up badly and the onus is on the club to drive hard and get appropriate compensation without being intimidated by Collingwood.
Yep. Walshy's shut up and sign your contract didn't go down too well with Levi. :stern look
 

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The point was that people ignore facts in favour of assuming one thing or another to suit their own argument/agenda and in the end just make stuff up. Sure sometimes they get it wrong, but the facts in this case point to the opposite. Many posters on here assume they know better than the people that are paid to make these decisions, but they don't and it's disrespectful to those people. If they did know better they would have a job at an AFL club.
Yeah thanks Geoff. :stern look
 
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Shattered. Yes. But paying him overs would have been bad player management down the track. The club knew this and that is why it has happened. This is why we got blokes like Geoff Walsh back to the club, been around a while and knows his stuff.

I still think we clearly dropped the ball on this one.

We have too many "favourite" fringe players in our side that could have been chopped, to help us get Levi over the line. The likes of Jacobs, Patch, McKenzie, Basti and even Blacky were gifted games when they should have been out at Nth Ballarat and Werribee. We then go and re-sign two old farts (Grima and Spud) but failed to secure our best ball winner.

Obviously the contract process (initially 1 year, then 1+1, then 2, then 3 years...) only but reinforced to Levi that he was being dikked around and not overly valued at his club. Along came two other clubs telling him they love him (and back it up with 4 years and $$$$$). His manager Pickers made mention of this on SEN.

I know how I'd feel if this happened to me.
 

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I've already cleaned my hands of him. He wants to piss off to effing Collingwood, let him.

Collingwood will stiff us, we lose-lose-lose.

Hope people have backpedalled on the "we are a destination club" rubbish now. We wouldn't have this if we were.
I liked it better when you just liked stuff...

Any chance you can just be positive? Sydney has been one of the most successful clubs in recent years at recruiting people. Do they suddenly become less of a 'destination club' because their AA defender left for more cash? We've proven we're a destination club - the addition of quality players and the prospect that we can add players in the future is exactly why Levi has left. You can't pay everyone, and if someone wants to go searching for more opportunities and cash that we don't feel is warranted, let them.

I love the clubs stance here.
 

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Initial offer should have been more. Agreed. Wouldn't have thought that would have made him stay. Paying players overs can bite you in the arse down the track when similar players are up for re signing. Unfortunately cannot pay everone overs. Spud and Narni both signed one year deals, probably for not too much either. Both played pretty important roles this year.
 

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Shattered. Yes. But paying him overs would have been bad player management down the track. The club knew this and that is why it has happened. This is why we got blokes like Geoff Walsh back to the club, been around a while and knows his stuff.
Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?
 

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Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?
We've got a plethora of inside mids. Hence Higgins has more value to us to meet a need. As a RFA extra salary is the price we pay for not having to trade.

Losing Beams and Ball, Greenwood has a lot more value to the Pies than he does to us.
 

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Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?
Dude, with restricted FA you gotta pay to get your man. We go with $300K for Higgins and Dogs do the same, then he stays.

But that's beside the point. We have the cap space to match the Pies offer. But we don't value Greenwood to that amount and for that length. We start being held to ransom by players now then we can kiss goodbye to a strategy of keeping a core together at a reasonable cost, ala Geelong.
 
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But that's beside the point. We have the cap space to match the Pies offer. But we don't value Greenwood to that amount and for that length. We start being held to ransom by players now then we can kiss goodbye to a strategy of keeping a core together at a reasonable cost, ala Geelong.
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