Past #24: Levi Greenwood - officially traded to Collingwood FC for pick 25 (2014)

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Fingers crossed. Difficult situation when you are somewhere you want to be but you think you might be worth more than what they are prepared to offer.

Levi is the kind of player we all love but I worshipped #36 back in the day & #18 more recently & they both left so while I am torn, I will survive.
 

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I don't know the numbers, and I expect none of us does (fair enough, as it's none of our business).

As a general rule, it costs more to get a player in than to keep one. That's life. Everyone says it. Levi will be offered more by clubs who are desperate because players are walking out on them than by North, where he is already and where players are keen to come. It's the same position players at top clubs have been in for a while. Does he want to turn around at the end of his career and be Sam Mitchell or James Kelly, or does he want to be... Actually I can't think of a player at one of the really good teams who has bolted for money before winning a flag first.
 

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I'm not a troll however I am a big Levi fan

If I can ask a serious question. Why would the club not lock away Levi in the first instance before determining how much cap space was left to chase Higgins?

The simple equation seems to me if Levi stays than your definitely in front however if Levi leaves for a contract that he believes is more reflective of his market value than Higgins would need to finish top two B&F for you to be in front which seems a stretch given his history of injuries
 

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It's been great this week having North as a club players want to come to. But Geelong and Hawthorn have also been clubs where in-house players needed to accept a bit less to be part of the success they helped build. I know they lost important players when they were offered ridiculous amounts to leave - but those guys had experienced the flags they had worked for first.

Clubs that are more desperate than North are offering Levi more cash and more years. If those are more important to him, North can't outbid. We have to hope that a reasonable offer, combined with the wish to go higher with the guys he had played with from the start, would keep him for another contract.
Agree with this, but it's also the length of the offer as well. Blacky was given a long contract last year to keep Freo away. I would be more than happy to offer Levi 4, so should the club. When players realise they are putting up elite numbers it's amazing how they go from strength to strength. I feel Levi, and Ben 10 for that matter, will just get better in the coming years. 400k for 4 IMO.
 

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I'm not a troll however I am a big Levi fan

If I can ask a serious question. Why would the club not lock away Levi in the first instance before determining how much cap space was left to chase Higgins?

The simple equation seems to me if Levi stays than your definitely in front however if Levi leaves for a contract that he believes is more reflective of his market value than Higgins would need to finish top two B&F for you to be in front which seems a stretch given his history of injuries
The simple answer would be that it is not a matter of cap space.

Agree with this, but it's also the length of the offer as well. Blacky was given a long contract last year to keep Freo away. I would be more than happy to offer Levi 4, so should the club. When players realise they are putting up elite numbers it's amazing how they go from strength to strength. I feel Levi, and Ben 10 for that matter, will just get better in the coming years. 400k for 4 IMO.
You would imagine given that he's had one great year and apparently been on good-ish coin for a few years that there are really only two options from the club's point of view:

- 3 or 4 years on more conservative coin (say 300k-ish)
- 1 year with options on quite a bit more

Losing him would be a genuine loss however it is what it is to some extent. All this "played in the wrong position" stuff is fine but at the end of the day you need to force your way into a team. Sometimes you have to play where the team needs you. Daw's "best position" is probably FF, that doesn't mean we just cart Petrie out of the way to make things easier for him.
 
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Surely we get a first rounder for Greenwood?

He's been a great plater this year. He is tough and he runs all day which is something that the rest of our inside brigade don't have.
 

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I'm not a troll however I am a big Levi fan

If I can ask a serious question. Why would the club not lock away Levi in the first instance before determining how much cap space was left to chase Higgins?

The simple equation seems to me if Levi stays than your definitely in front however if Levi leaves for a contract that he believes is more reflective of his market value than Higgins would need to finish top two B&F for you to be in front which seems a stretch given his history of injuries
Fair Question brother - makes sense to me - I hope they were not banking on loyalty given who Levi's manager is
 

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Offers a different side option through the middle. A left footer through there can wrap around and kick goalward as opposed to a right footer kicking toward the boundary/flank. We have all seen him do this all year. Offer him 4 years with an optional 5th. Pay him well and Levi will be worth every cent. Had to suffer with being played as a tagger as well as had a near "Jessie Smith" ankle injury. The club must keep this bloke.
 

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Agree with this, but it's also the length of the offer as well. Blacky was given a long contract last year to keep Freo away. I would be more than happy to offer Levi 4, so should the club. When players realise they are putting up elite numbers it's amazing how they go from strength to strength. I feel Levi, and Ben 10 for that matter, will just get better in the coming years. 400k for 4 IMO.
100% agree - he should get what Higgins is getting
 

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By the way, no idea what Dish is on but we have no "can we afford Waite" angst. We are only talking about Levi and Higgins because Levi and Pickering have held out this long. Now they have a top 3 B&F finish and other suitors, they are in the strong bargaining position they would have hoped for. But in the end a) choosing North will be choosing success and solidarity over more money and/or contract length, as it always would and b) North still holds good cards as HE IS NOT A FREE AGENT.
 

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I don't know the numbers, and I expect none of us does (fair enough, as it's none of our business).

As a general rule, it costs more to get a player in than to keep one. That's life. Everyone says it. Levi will be offered more by clubs who are desperate because players are walking out on them than by North, where he is already and where players are keen to come. It's the same position players at top clubs have been in for a while. Does he want to turn around at the end of his career and be Sam Mitchell or James Kelly, or does he want to be... Actually I can't think of a player at one of the really good teams who has bolted for money before winning a flag first.


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I'm not a troll however I am a big Levi fan

If I can ask a serious question. Why would the club not lock away Levi in the first instance before determining how much cap space was left to chase Higgins?

The simple equation seems to me if Levi stays than your definitely in front however if Levi leaves for a contract that he believes is more reflective of his market value than Higgins would need to finish top two B&F for you to be in front which seems a stretch given his history of injuries
I can not understand why we would not have this guy tied up long ago, he can clearly see we are where we need to be as a team, personaly if he was to go , what message is that sending to the playing group...now if he wants stupid money after 1 season of good football, surely he can be convinced to stay, hes a walk up starting 22..
 

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you will here me spew from arizona if he walks....but sadly it seems goooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....
 

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As people say.....does Levi leave for more money....or stay just as his dream maybe realised. I would think we would have room in the cap as players such Spud and Grimsey are on 1 yr reduced $ and weren't we only paying 92% of our cap ?
 

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I'm not a troll however I am a big Levi fan

If I can ask a serious question. Why would the club not lock away Levi in the first instance before determining how much cap space was left to chase Higgins?

The simple equation seems to me if Levi stays than your definitely in front however if Levi leaves for a contract that he believes is more reflective of his market value than Higgins would need to finish top two B&F for you to be in front which seems a stretch given his history of injuries

I understand what you are saying but a reflective position in a B&F would not be the measurement to compare. I don`t think that this is anything to do with Higgins coming in, it just happens to be on the same day when Levi looks more to be leaning out the door. If Levi goes l agree with you the gains made in the other 2 trades are lost. He is our Rory Sloane & is worth more money.

North have money in the cap it is the start of trade week & likely they still have eyes on some trades including 3 way trading. Maybe to them Levi is a carrot for something bigger that no one is yet aware of. Above is obviously speculation but its the silly season if as reported they are close in way of terms/dollars surely its easier to say here is 70k on your terms sign here.

Personally l feel North should pay the most improved player on the list additional money & it really is strange that it has not happened they are not stupid, if they wanted Levi to stay they would have done it. That is why l believe something is either in the air or they are not as close as speculated.
 

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Am I the only one completely nonplussed about this?

He stays, fantastic, he leaves, not the end of the world IMO.

As people have been banging on about for the last 3 years, we probably have too many of the same type through the middle and selling high gives us a bit of a chance to diversify the side.

Even if it means 2 second round picks for him or something.

WB and Collingwood coming in means we are going to get a decent amount for him.
 

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Am I the only one completely nonplussed about this?

He stays, fantastic, he leaves, not the end of the world IMO.

As people have been banging on about for the last 3 years, we probably have too many of the same type through the middle and selling high gives us a bit of a chance to diversify the side.

Even if it means 2 second round picks for him or something.

WB and Collingwood coming in means we are going to get a decent amount for him.

I don't disagree with you Pykie, personally l just see Levi as a bricks & mortar guy more than the aesthetic view. I rate what he does highly if he goes l wont begrudge him he deserves a pay rise. I would doubt we would get 2 second round picks anyway but a decent pick in the teens would be of great value.
 

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Am I the only one completely nonplussed about this?

He stays, fantastic, he leaves, not the end of the world IMO.

As people have been banging on about for the last 3 years, we probably have too many of the same type through the middle and selling high gives us a bit of a chance to diversify the side.

Even if it means 2 second round picks for him or something.

WB and Collingwood coming in means we are going to get a decent amount for him.
We bring in NDS, Waite. We have Boomer, Petrie, Wells all in their last 2 years. Our time for a tilt at premiership is now. Greenwood is a finals type mid which don't grow on trees. We loose him and we get a couple picks which may or may not come to fruition in a couple years.
I'll bang on about this for as long as it takes to sign him.
 

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It's been great this week having North as a club players want to come to. But Geelong and Hawthorn have also been clubs where in-house players needed to accept a bit less to be part of the success they helped build. I know they lost important players when they were offered ridiculous amounts to leave - but those guys had experienced the flags they had worked for first.

Clubs that are more desperate than North are offering Levi more cash and more years. If those are more important to him, North can't outbid. We have to hope that a reasonable offer, combined with the wish to go higher with the guys he had played with from the start, would keep him for another contract.
Precisely H2h, and it's also why the club needs to hold a certain line. Cave in to Levi and any such commitment to stay together for less becomes hollow.

Free Agents take more to prise them out of another club. What Higgins might be getting is irrelevant.
 
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Am I the only one completely nonplussed about this?

He stays, fantastic, he leaves, not the end of the world IMO.

As people have been banging on about for the last 3 years, we probably have too many of the same type through the middle and selling high gives us a bit of a chance to diversify the side.

Even if it means 2 second round picks for him or something.

WB and Collingwood coming in means we are going to get a decent amount for him.
I suppose if Higgins was a quick outside type then no dramas however the perception out there, rightly or wrongly, is that if Greenwood was to go, in essence we are replacing him with Higgins on supposedly more coin and many out there don't think that is very fair. :stern look
 
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