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Player Watch #25: Toby Nankervis
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Yer bit harsh calling him old.
Not sure about not having peaked. Really hope I’m wrong but major groin surgery has probably resulted in him losing some of his mobility
say that again
Yeah I meant age wise. If the surgery has slowed him down he is cooked.
2020 Game lengths are looking like the death of the ruck. But if 2021 is back to 20 minute quarters then we don't want to be writing any of our rucks off. JR's kicking was a concern this week. Its bizarre, in the GF he was kicking from outside 50. If that persists then we need CJ/Chol as KPF.
This is Moneyball/Moreyball
see: Leon Davis All Australian could not get a trade back to a Perth team and Collingwood NOT prepared to go from 350k+ a bit to a new AA level contract ~500+/-
Marty Clarke back from Ireland, 220k plus50 potential bonuses
Moneyball, redistribute that 200-300 to Swan/Pendles when pay the talent their due
And LeonDavis NOT standing up in finals
How the <rucks> situation occurs, I don't know, and how you can realise those assets on the trade table when they still hold value, so like GWS they keep on rolling over their talent on the list for new EXTRA picks in the ND
see the Las Vegas expansion ice hockey team, and how they GAMED the expansion suite of options that NHL hq presented them with
Richmond in a novel situation they could have a gestalt strategem of GWS X Las Vegas NHL expansion franchise, NR over to you, u r the expert allthingsprosport I'll let u have it, take it away
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I think any reports of nanks demise are grossly exaggerated, Thursday we saw no benefit from an extra runner yet nank could have provided an option deep forward for an out of sorts jack or chop out for lil ivy who I thought battled manfully v Grundy ensuring that he didn’t monster us
All this talk of moving on Nank is very premature, I personally believe we have to create the chance for CCJ to start playing senior football sooner than later but we’ll be back to the normal 20 minute quarters next year and there’s every chance we’ll go back to playing two ruckman then. Who’s to say we won’t end up still playing with two ruckman for chunks of this season.
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nah! persist with big ivan.
I actually think Soldo might offer the best trade value.
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I think the one ruck selection worked. As did Houli & Higgins. Unfortunately, our other smalls weren't fantastic. I would not be selecting 2 rucks this week.
Burson Marsteller parlance, it would have been our Yale alumnus communications chief flying the kite, if Maley was indeed still chief fifteen years later, no doubt Nank's manager would have had preliminary discussions about the hypothetical next deal, but if I were manager I would be furious about this signal'ling by Richmond list management, screams #maslowshammer #toosmartforschool
Nank's manager ofcourse will not be able to trace the intentional leak from the comms team by instruction of list management team, with any perfect degree of certainty...
as you allude to, clearances are not Dimma's key metric.
Remind me,
who did Dimma do his apprenticeship under? Ohhhh that's right, angry ant at Glenferrie, Hawthorn's Clarkson.
both hold more necessary, a defensive-set-up and being able to attack unhurried without messy clearance forward.
won't be back to 20. But depends how liberally umpires invoke <time-on>, so not a net 5 min per qtr loss.
The AFL want the reduction, but their biggest revenue to protect is tv rights contract, the time loss will not be pro rata reduction in the broadcast value, but it is a decent heuristic (rule-of-thumb) to use before McLachlan formally determines the elasticities
my intuition may be incorrect, because AFL boffins need to assess the trade-offs and triangulate
- rights value negotiation(change)
- new AFL fans in emerging culture and competition with other ~100 minute prosport consumers
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Soldo's worth way more on potential and steadily building a better record in the here and now, we'll keep him ahead of Nank if our hand gets forced.
We're yet to see Nank get back to the peak fitness and athleticism he needs to compete as an undersized first ruck and much as I dislike saying it, the groin surgery means he may never make it back to that level. He really didn't last year and this season hasn't boded well either so far.
We've seen Nank's best - performances he may really struggle to replicate in the future - and it often fell short of matching the top rucks, especially if he was carrying a niggle.
Soldo's a genuine giant with so much more upside and career length potential. He's got the height to carry niggles through games, we lose little if anything in hardness using him over Nank and his skills are pretty much on a par. Because of his raw size and late start he's got a great shot at playing into his 30's given a good run with injury.
Another thing Soldo has going for him is he can actually jump at centre bounces. Was way higher than Grundy most of the night, although his tap work was very limp wristed. So nice to see a ruckman not do the Vickery.
Nank and Soldo will play together once Nank has his legs back after last years surgery, his contest work around the ground and marking down the line will have him back in imo
Yeah, was so good to see, he was really getting over the top of him. If he's getting up significantly higher than Grundy you can imagine what the coaching staff are seeing at training when he and Nank go at it.
We've got a lot of work to do on our centre square setup and system. Not one of our mids has ever had a ruck who wins clean hitouts consistently enough to rove to them, we've always set up defensively so I see this new development as something that may take 2-3 seasons to really start taking advantage of. At times it really seemed like Soldo wasn't sure where he needed to be putting the ball and I'm sure there will be huge improvement as they all play together more.
We carried a lot of smalls who got too little ball to give us any advantage going with just one ruck last week and it messes with the forward setup taking Lynch away, so I think what we saw both in our game and others over the weekend did Nank's chances no harm whatsoever. Can certainly make a good case for playing both on what we've seen so far, Nank would have had way more impact than plenty of smalls who got a game.
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Can't see why we can't use 2 rucks.
Think we only used 77 of our 90 rotations.
With shorter qtrs it actually makes it easier too manage our mids in particular.
Think we only used 77 of our 90 rotations.
With shorter qtrs it actually makes it easier too manage our mids in particular.
I thought Soldo got a fair amount of hitouts but they were pretty poor overall. Quite often direct to pies players and even Grundy. Plus the soft HOA Grundy got to Adams for the opening goal was weak.
Soldo played his role in doing a job quelling Grundys influence, but I'd like to see Nank come in for him this week. Ceglar is a better match up for Nank.
Soldo played his role in doing a job quelling Grundys influence, but I'd like to see Nank come in for him this week. Ceglar is a better match up for Nank.
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the most important part of it all is tying CCJ up long term ...
cause they like having the extra run a Stack or Pickett gives instead of 2 bigs i assume
cause they like having the extra run a Stack or Pickett gives instead of 2 bigs i assume
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If we're not going too use all our rotations then why go in one tall short?
My concern what if we lose an Astbury down back?
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If Astbury goes down during the game. Riewoldt goes backline?
Credit to Nank the tank today.
Was our best by a country mile and still worked his ass off all game and showed heart.
The boys not done with yet!
Was our best by a country mile and still worked his ass off all game and showed heart.
The boys not done with yet!
Back to his best yesterday. Miles ahead of Soldo.
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