Past #28: Kayne Turner - pick #25 in '14 RD - delisted end '22 - re-listed w/ #39 in '22 RD - delisted end "23 - 111gm/58gl - thx Kayno

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King Corey said:
Was re-watching Brown's 10 goals lat night and noticed it was the 180cm unheralded hard nut smashing into defenders to allow the 200cm "big man" to swoop and do his thing.

Like any other players there are times Kayne could get a bit more of the ball and create more but geeze he plays some team first roles for us.

You can't just have a forward line especially these days with 6 stars who all get in each other's way ball-hunting. There needs to be at least one player pressuring to create the opportunities and denying opposition rebound.
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The ever increasing supercoach element completely miss this point.
 
King Corey said:
Was re-watching Brown's 10 goals lat night and noticed it was the 180cm unheralded hard nut smashing into defenders to allow the 200cm "big man" to swoop and do his thing.

Like any other players there are times Kayne could get a bit more of the ball and create more but geeze he plays some team first roles for us.

You can't just have a forward line especially these days with 6 stars who all get in each other's way ball-hunting. There needs to be at least one player pressuring to create the opportunities and denying opposition rebound.
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Yeah...Zurhaar and Garner and Thomas. All 3 had a tackle average per game that was not far off of Kayne's. We all know their tackles aren't fluff either and they offer more from an attacking POV. If we are to improve we can't carry one dimension players like Kayne in the forward line not at this stage of development. Fair enough if Larkey and co were all 3 years further down their development but they aren't.

It's been 2/3 years of flirting with the idea of using Kayne as a defender. It's an absolute no brainer imo. Teams are opting to go with more fast-paced smalls in their forward line. Having another Marley that stays down and has high level pressuring skills (not to mention doesn't give away silly free-kicks) is a luxury we haven't had in a long time.

Before I go to bed at night I always pray that Shaw will make this move. Wright is gone and JMac doesn't suit that role (does better on the Lynch (ade) and Gunston types).
 

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I don't know if Turner is a defender, but he sure isn't a forward. I love his workrate and his pressure, but can't find the goals to save himself.
 
If anyone mentions Ablett or suggests Kayne has poor skills...we are dueling.

On several occasions this year Kayne delivered a perfectly weighted ball both inbound and for our leading forwards. The kind that spots a lead between 3 players. He's no Boomer but he's definitely got the skills to weigh up a situation and put it in the right spot. Which is more than I can say for several others at North.
 
I am not going to compare Turner to the best small forwards. I would rather compare Turner of 2019 to Turner of 2014-15. Could be just a perception, but he looked to be an up and coming inside mid when he first started. Now seems a bit lost between positions.
 
Groin guru said:
If anyone mentions Ablett or suggests Kayne has poor skills...we are dueling.

On several occasions this year Kayne delivered a perfectly weighted ball both inbound and for our leading forwards. The kind that spots a lead between 3 players. He's no Boomer but he's definitely got the skills to weigh up a situation and put it in the right spot. Which is more than I can say for several others at North.
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There were times this year he hit our players from the contest with Cunners like handballs. But it was quick and effective and I doubt anyone noticed it. I was surprised when i slowed a replay and could work out the number of the player and first realised it was him. Brilliant vision and skill.
 
Event Horizon said:
I am not going to compare Turner to the best small forwards. I would rather compare Turner of 2019 to Turner of 2014-15. Could be just a perception, but he looked to be an up and coming inside mid when he first started. Now seems a bit lost between positions.
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This is a fair call too.
 
Groin guru said:
If anyone mentions Ablett or suggests Kayne has poor skills...we are dueling.

On several occasions this year Kayne delivered a perfectly weighted ball both inbound and for our leading forwards. The kind that spots a lead between 3 players. He's no Boomer but he's definitely got the skills to weigh up a situation and put it in the right spot. Which is more than I can say for several others at North.
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I think the accurate long kick is the tool he doesn't have. Can pinpoint it, can shank it. Skills are in the average range.

We'll see with Kayne. Brought a lot to the side early in the year when most were at sea, especially in terms of toughness and accountability.

Up to him to keep his spot going forward but the same could be said of Garner, Macmillan, Atley, McDonald, Dumont, Anderson etc.
 
Groin guru said:
Yeah...Zurhaar and Garner and Thomas. All 3 had a tackle average per game that was not far off of Kayne's. We all know their tackles aren't fluff either and they offer more from an attacking POV. If we are to improve we can't carry one dimension players like Kayne in the forward line not at this stage of development. Fair enough if Larkey and co were all 3 years further down their development but they aren't.
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Those 3 all have upper limits to their talent to be offensive threats not blue collar role players.

It's handy they can provide presence but they don't have 15km in their legs per game like Kayne does and if they did - I doubt we'd want them playing specialised defensive forward roles for their careers.

Kayne has a skillset suited to playing defensively minded roles for the team even if all of the above rise and shine in 2020.
 
Heaps of fun said:
I think the accurate long kick is the tool he doesn't have. Can pinpoint it, can shank it. Skills are in the average range.

We'll see with Kayne. Brought a lot to the side early in the year when most were at sea, especially in terms of toughness and accountability.

Up to him to keep his spot going forward but the same could be said of Garner, Macmillan, Atley, McDonald, Dumont, Anderson etc.
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I think he lacks penetration with his kicks and doesn't have the ability to send in a low dart.

In fifa terms I'd say his kicking is above average but he has an ability to thread the eye of the needle. Almost like pittard...without the depth...and turner probably is safer/more reliable...so not like Pittard really :drunk:
 

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If Papley walked through our doors tomorrow he'd be lucky to be best 22.

But he's clearly got skill, its just applied in a very very bad position for him. Not a small forward. Does small forward pressure well, but so what, Hrovat arguably did the same.

He's a defender. Wins ball at ground level, tackles, corralls, marks on occassion, disposes decent in traffic. All traits not needed forward.
 
Billy Not Really said:
He's a defender. Wins ball at ground level, tackles, corralls, marks on occassion, disposes decent in traffic. All traits not needed forward.
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Problem is, as of today, we don't desperately need another small defender.
 
Billy Not Really said:
Yep, bit of an issue and its an issue thats persisting with Kayne for like a couple seasons now. Theres no real spot he's cemented he's just best 22 by default.
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He plays a very thankless role, no doubt about that whatsoever. Whether he can hold his position if and when others take up some of that thankless role remains to be seen. The idea that he can become a defender is fine in and of itself but I would take Pittard & Williams as small lockdown defenders any day over him at the moment and he's not big enough to play another defensive role - not sure if he has the creativity, speed and skill combination to play an attacking defensive role either. We'll see over the preseason where he sits I guess.
 
the Ziebull said:
The added versatility to play defence is important

Can fill a hole at either end. I actually rate him highly as a small defender
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Yeah nah.

Maybe in Little league.

Did you miss what Ablett did to him?
 
Is it me or does Kayne look bigger?

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