2nd Test; Australia v Pakistan @ Adelaide Over (D/N) November 29-December 3

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I actually came away thinking that Pakistan have the bones of decent side despite the one sided score.
They have the bones of a reasonable batting side, but their bowling stocks seem desperately poor and far short of international standard. They'll be struggling for a long time with that bowling attack.

Everyone was calling for Mohammad Abass like he'd be their saviour after the first test, which made me think he's some kind of star, but he turned out just as pathetic as all the other trundlers. Apart from Shaheen, who didn't disgrace himself, they were abject.
 

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They have the bones of a reasonable batting side, but their bowling stocks seem desperately poor and far short of international standard. They'll be struggling for a long time with that bowling attack.

Everyone was calling for Mohammad Abass like he'd be their saviour after the first test, which made me think he's some kind of star, but he turned out just as pathetic as all the other trundlers. Apart from Shaheen, who didn't disgrace himself, they were abject.
Steve Smith made 4 in the first test.

it didn’t suddenly make him garbage. Lyon took 2 for heaps in the first test. It didn’t make him garbage.

abbas has credits in the bank and one test doesn’t change that
 

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If he had so many credits in the bank why didn't he even get a gig in the first test?
because they picked the wrong attack.

the bloke destroys Australia in the UAE where aside from a giant like Jason Holder or Shannon Gabriel I cant remember any quick prospering recently
he has been wicketless just 3 times in 27 innings before the Adelaide match.
For context Pat Cummins has been wicketkess 3 times in his last 27, Starc has done it 4 times, Hazlewood 3 times,

you don’t take 66 wickets in 14 matches by accident
 

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Seemed like misbah really wanted to throw young blokes in this tour but imran khan taking wickets in the tour game complicated things so rather than choose between imran and the youngster he picked both it was just poor selection, you play abbas and pick either khan or the rookie not both.

Not sure any of it would matter though, yasir is meant to be world class bowler and leader for pakistan but he has been humiliated twice now in our conditions, if your senior spinner averages 90 at an economy over 4 in a country your bowlers pretty much have to b the best in the world to overcome that.
 

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Seemed like misbah really wanted to throw young blokes in this tour but imran khan taking wickets in the tour game complicated things so rather than choose between imran and the youngster he picked both it was just poor selection, you play abbas and pick either khan or the rookie not both.

Not sure any of it would matter though, yasir is meant to be world class bowler and leader for pakistan but he has been humiliated twice now in our conditions, if your senior spinner averages 90 at an economy over 4 in a country your bowlers pretty much have to b the best in the world to overcome that.
it’s outrageous how easily Australia have handled Yasir because it’s not as though he’s a MacGill type leg spinner who mixes utter trash with the totally bamboozling, he is accurate and asks a lot of questions but he’s just been useless. That’s not to say he didn’t bowl some trash either but he’s generally fairly accurate for a wrist spinner.

probably no cocincidence that the only spinner in recent memory to have any success here from overseas, like Lyon, was a bounce bowler in Anil Kumble in 03-04
 

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He certainly learned a lot from his very poor tour in 99 where he really just fired them down rather than use his height and bounce, one of a select few spinners to actually come back from a thumping over here and get it right the next time.

Vettori was another who came back from a tough first tour over here and ended up being pretty consistent.
 
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it’s outrageous how easily Australia have handled Yasir because it’s not as though he’s a MacGill type leg spinner who mixes utter trash with the totally bamboozling, he is accurate and asks a lot of questions but he’s just been useless. That’s not to say he didn’t bowl some trash either but he’s generally fairly accurate for a wrist spinner.

probably no cocincidence that the only spinner in recent memory to have any success here from overseas, like Lyon, was a bounce bowler in Anil Kumble in 03-04
Swan was pretty good in the Ashes they won here too.

Lyon's record in Australia is honestly remarkable.
 

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I could see Abbas struggling in Australia from a mile. He simply doesn't have the pace to trouble Australia on the flat Australian wickets. I know he bowls spectacularly in the flat roads of the UAE but Australian conditions, even if they're flat, have their own distinct character. Otherwise someone like Yadav who is super impressive in India would wreak havoc in Australia too, but we all know otherwise. I actually expected Abbas to prosper in SA, but he struggled there too. I think he'll struggle in NZ conditions too but he should prosper in the England tour coming up.
 

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This is not true. Australia have the best bowler in the world but India has the overall best attack in the world.
When you have the bowling depth to be able to field either 2 frontline spinners of below 25 averages with the ball, or to be able to field quicks that can bowl medium pace, fast, swing, seam, and go for shit all runs, you're onto a pretty good thing.

Still think Shami's one of the most underrated bowlers in world cricket.
 

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If jeet Raval averages above 10 this test series I'd be very surprised. His only utility is seeing out lots of dot balls. He doesn't score many runs and scores them extremely slowly when he does. Combine that with being probably the worst fielder in international cricket outside of the entire Bangladesh team and you get a serious weak link. It'll be left to ross and Kane to score all their runs like normal
 

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If jeet Raval averages above 10 this test series I'd be very surprised. His only utility is seeing out lots of dot balls. He doesn't score many runs and scores them extremely slowly when he does. Combine that with being probably the worst fielder in international cricket outside of the entire Bangladesh team and you get a serious weak link. It'll be left to ross and Kane to score all their runs like normal
Like normal?

I mean yes WillIamson and Taylor are clearly the best two but the records of Latham, Nicholls, Watling and even de Grandhomme make it pretty clear they produce fairly regularly.
 

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Like normal?

I mean yes WillIamson and Taylor are clearly the best two but the records of Latham, Nicholls, Watling and even de Grandhomme make it pretty clear they produce fairly regularly.
Fair point on Watling but Latham punishes poor attacks on flat pitches ala de grandhomme and nicholls. Raval lol if he lasts one over each innings it'll be a win to him. Watch out for him to drop fifty catches too
 

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Fair point on Watling but Latham punishes poor attacks on flat pitches ala de grandhomme and nicholls. Raval lol if he lasts one over each innings it'll be a win to him. Watch out for him to drop fifty catches too
harsh on Latham, he’s played bugger all cricket in most nations and in all bar South Africa he’s scored at least some runs, not necessarily at a great average. He hit a 47 at the Gabba and 50 in the low scoring pink ball test at Adelaide last time. In his only two tests in England he hit 84 and 57, split by some poor scores in his other two innings. He’s improved a bit since then.
his partner is of far greater concern
 

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When you have the bowling depth to be able to field either 2 frontline spinners of below 25 averages with the ball, or to be able to field quicks that can bowl medium pace, fast, swing, seam, and go for shit all runs, you're onto a pretty good thing.

Still think Shami's one of the most underrated bowlers in world cricket.
Shami tbh often goes through the motions in the first innings. But almost always, he turns into a monster come the last innings earning his nickname "second innings Shami" among the Indian fans. His numbers in the 1st innings and 2nd innings are quite revealing as well, averages 32 in the team 1st innings and 21 in the team's 2nd innings. I think it has do with the fact that he just keeps attacking the stumps and the pitch deterioration as the match progresses helps him since more balls are prone to misbehaving in the last innings. His skiddy action probably adds more to his potency in the last innings.

What impresses me the most about him is his perfect seam position. When they show the slow replay of his deliveries, it almost appears as if the ball is static as it's hurtling towards the batsman. Only then you realise that it's actually rotating in a perfect straight axis along the vertical. While Ishant is primarily a swing bowler, Shami's impeccable straight seam position means he becomes very dangerous on slow wickets that deteriorate whereas he might not always be effective when the conditions necessitate swing bowling, like say in english conditions.
 

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harsh on Latham, he’s played bugger all cricket in most nations and in all bar South Africa he’s scored at least some runs, not necessarily at a great average. He hit a 47 at the Gabba and 50 in the low scoring pink ball test at Adelaide last time. In his only two tests in England he hit 84 and 57, split by some poor scores in his other two innings. He’s improved a bit since then.
his partner is of far greater concern
Fair point but he needs a big score on our flat pitches to be mentioned as a great player imo. He scores big against poor attacks but just tonned up against England so maybe he's on the up and up.......he's also better than his dad so that's something too
 

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Shami tbh often goes through the motions in the first innings. But almost always, he turns into a monster come the last innings earning his nickname "second innings Shami" among the Indian fans. His numbers in the 1st innings and 2nd innings are quite revealing as well, averages 32 in the team 1st innings and 21 in the team's 2nd innings. I think it has do with the fact that he just keeps attacking the stumps and the pitch deterioration as the match progresses helps him since more balls are prone to misbehaving in the last innings. His skiddy action probably adds more to his potency in the last innings.

What impresses me the most about him is his perfect seam position. When they show the slow replay of his deliveries, it almost appears as if the ball is static as it's hurtling towards the batsman. Only then you realise that it's actually rotating in a perfect straight axis along the vertical. While Ishant is primarily a swing bowler, Shami's impeccable straight seam position means he becomes very dangerous on slow wickets that deteriorate whereas he might not always be effective when the conditions necessitate swing bowling, like say in english conditions.
A combination of that seam position and the knack for always being on the edge of picking up a valuable wicket set him apart for me. He's like Siddle, but with a pinch of Ryan Harris in there for good measure; a good honest hard worker, whilst still being able to take wickets by bowling something unplayable every now and then.

The ability to take wickets out of the blue has never been more valuable, and he's got it in spades. He's always a highlight of India's tours here for me.
 

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