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We kicked 3.17 from 20 shots at goal at one stage going from 5.1 in the first quarter to 8.18 early in the last against the Crows. It's happened in other games too, albeit not to that extent.

Why has our goal kicking been so woeful thus far this year? Are we doing anything to rectify this, is it being adequately addressed at training?

Does anyone have stats on set shots vs in play? Who are the main culprits? Betts? Judd? Waite? Hampson?
 
A fair few were rushed behinds. Not to mention the ones that were poor shots, tight angles etc we should be more worried that Adelaide forced us to lead so wide, rather than our actual goalkicking. We did miss some easy ones but it's not that black & white.
 
Same reason there were dropped uncontested marks and dropped chest marks.



A LACK OF CONCERNTRATION WITH A HINT OF LAIRISING! Prime example of this is Judd missing from directly in front 15 meters out. No concentration.

Lairising - Garlett needs to take this out of his game as does Walker (trying to take mark of the year all the time) and Waite (going one handed). All the one handed crap and kicking around corners when not having to. He like every one else is better when he keeps it simple. More discipline, less lairising and more concentration. Warnock running around on a big arc instead of going back and doing his usual routine, concentrating like he's kicking to win the match and having a shot.

No lairising (Kicking grubbers, going one handed, snapping when not necessary etc) and more concentration. I want to see our guys go back and really focus hard like they are kicking to win the game. Judd started the rot bu casually going back and missing a sitter. Too casual.
 

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We really need to do something about this. It nearly cost us against Richmond, and again last night. Judd's miss almost set the tone for the rest of the night. We just have to get this right before we play Sydney next week. They won't let us off the hook if we kick like we did last night.
 
HBF said:
We really need to do something about this. It nearly cost us against Richmond, and again last night. Judd's miss almost set the tone for the rest of the night. We just have to get this right before we play Sydney next week. They won't let us off the hook if we kick like we did last night.
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That final comes to mind...
 
Someone on the radio mentioned this and said its very odd how we went from the number one goal accuracy team last season, and now we are really struggling this season. They had there concerns over John Barkers coaching abilities, I don't really know much about him but i got the impression that he wasn't very good at hawthorn and they were happy to get rid of him. Hope that's not the case!:confused:
 
Judd's set shot was a disgrace. Regardless of whether he earned the free, milked the free or whatever how hard is it to get some pace up and kick through the ball, just like when he kicks them from 50 on the run.

Instead we get a half arsed run up and a half arsed stab at the shot.

Alot of our shots on goal in play were hurried which would suggest pressure from the opposition which is fairly accurate but a fair few set shots went begging.

The game was in the bag at half time if the team had kicked at goal like they did in the first quarter.
 

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What was most pleasing was kicking 3 late goals to get us over the line. That ability to do what needs to be done on a bad night is a hallmark of a very good side. :thumbsu:

For mine, while there was some bad kicking involved, we just weren't getting easy kicks on goal. A lot were hurried or from outside the corridor.

Most of the game seemed to be played in our forward half, with 30 players out of the ball and us trying to manufacture something in the congestion. Adelaide break towards the wing, numbers loose everywhere, spot up a target 30 metres out almost directly in front.
 
Jarrod Waiteee said:
Warnocks shot on goal was worse than griggs from last yr..
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He got nowhere near the goals - it was just funny.
I wasn't expecting him to kick it, but really, he should have done better than that lame effort.
 
Jarrod Waiteee said:
Warnocks shot on goal was worse than griggs from last yr..
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I said as soon as he got the ball that he would miss by a mile. Ruckmen can't kick goals straight in front, let alone on the boundary. I did a good job of announcing it to the people around me too.

:D
 
HBF said:
He got nowhere near the goals - it was just funny.
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Usually when a shot gets missed I just groan or mumble angrily to myself, but watching the game on TV last night and seeing Warnock's kick I couldn't help but burst out laughing. Simply terrible.
 
Blue since 72 said:
Judd's set shot was a disgrace. Regardless of whether he earned the free, milked the free or whatever how hard is it to get some pace up and kick through the ball, just like when he kicks them from 50 on the run.

Instead we get a half arsed run up and a half arsed stab at the shot.

Alot of our shots on goal in play were hurried which would suggest pressure from the opposition which is fairly accurate but a fair few set shots went begging.

The game was in the bag at half time if the team had kicked at goal like they did in the first quarter.
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Well i'm not sure a fast run up is a good thing. I prefer people have a slow run up. They seem to be better kicks. See Jack Riewoldt.

Judd missed that goal for two reasons:

1. Concerntration. Went back, took no time and casually kicked it. Did not concerntrate as much as he would have had the game been close, or if he was kicking from the boundry etc.

2. Judd has a poor kicking technique. Hence the reason why he is not a great kick.

He holds the ball wrong. His hands are too far towards the end of te ball. He needs to hold the ball closer to the top, not the bottom where you strike it.

He also has this ugly "flip" in his ball drop. He flops it onto the boot with wrist movement. Some people do this a little and that's ok but his wrist movement where he kind of holds the point of the ball up and flicks it down when he begins his ball drop needs to go.

If you hold the ball right down the bottom and have as much wrist movement as he does there is no way of consistantly striking the ball in the same place.

I'm not sure how this has not been ironed out.
 

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thylacine60 said:
It also looks as though he kicks off the wrong step. Weird I know but it has always looked a little arse-about to me, like a rugby quick-step as he puts ball to boot.
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Yes I've noticed this. I can't put my finger on it. It could be a few things.

Flexability issue, perhaps from past groin problems/operations. Seems to not follow through well.

I think his run up speed is wrong. It's too fast. By the time he kicks he's into a jog. It's an awkward thing to do kicking when jogging. Around the field you are usually kicking from a few steps (basically a walk) when on the mark or holding it up or you're kicking it while running pretty hard. You hardly ever kick while jogging. This is part of the reason why some good fiield kicks are poor shots on goal, because they do it differently. The best kicks don't get any faster than a walk. See Jack Riewoldt. He's just got to slow his run up down and keep his balance. Will help with his follow through too if he slows down.

When Judd (or any one) goes from a walk to a jog he loses stability, stillness and balance becaus he ends up springing on the end of his feet more which means your head is not as still as you are bouncing up and down a little when you come in. also his shoulders begin to move as well in the typical back and forth jogging motion. You can keep your body more still and balanced if you don't get into a jog. When you achieve this stillness, you achieve balance and it's a lot easier to watch the ball onto the boot and strike it in the right spot. Watch Jack Riewoldt. He's an excellent kick, his run up is very slow, he has no bounce when he comes in. He is very still. Every player could learn something from him.

His ball drop must be fixed. He throws it onto the boot. He's got to get more stability here and get it right and kick through the ball.
 
I'm thinking Judd got taught this interesting drop of the ball for set shots on goal as a kid. He might of been one of those kids who waved the ball around in a circular type motion as he ran in and an early coach helped him to correct it by holding and dropping the ball the way he does. who knows:confused:

Anyway, whatever the freakin' reason is, for all the dough he gets paid he should (out of his own pocket) be willing to get someone to teach him all over again. I'd imagine even a few hours a week learning to kick with B Fevola would improve his strike rate somewhat.
 
If I think of Judd kicking accurately, his best was on the burst. When he played mainly outside for the weagles he kicked multiples running flat out from the middle to about 50 and bang.

Maybe the groins have done this or his techinque would be best running in faster?
 
I've been worried about Judd's kicking since round 1. .. He's never been a notably sublime kicker but its off even by that standard. .. I could be reading too much into it but his action is looking pronounced at the moment similar to when he had the groin issues where he seems to be kicking the ball with his hips rather than his leg movement. .. Hope its not the groin again. ..
 

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