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Needs more premiership cups
Closet anyone in a suns uniform will ever get too holding a premiership cup.Needs more premiership cups
Will have to plonk #3 on caddy’s head later on this year
People overrate draft picks so hard it's not funny. I'd trade every first rounder we ever got for a prime of their career superstar.I still remember people on here crying when we gave up a first rounder and a pick swap for this jet
People overrate draft picks so hard it's not funny. I'd trade every first rounder we ever got for a prime of their career superstar.
We had the players there ripe to build a team around. Said at the time of drafting Prestia, imagine what those established stars would have thought if we passed up a quality player like Prestia because pic 6 was to high. In 3 years when and if that no.6 pick comes on, the window has passed. As you said, you build then you swap. Then getting Lynch two years later for effectively nothing was the icing on the cake.You just traded Riewoldt, Cotchin, Rance, Martin, Vlastuin for some clowns that retired long ago. The club pulled the right rein with Prestia that is for sure, but you build your team by drafting top end talent, then you fill gaps by trading for established talent in the right part of the cycle if needed. That is more or less the blueprint of the last three multiple premiers, us, Hawks, Cats. I would hate to see the club get addicted to staying in contention at the likely expense of having any real hope of winning flags. Would rather see us when our champs are past it, retire them off, keep some leadership, swap some older players with currency for draft picks and get a good bubble of 7-8 high end picks over 2-3 years. About 3-4 years later you are every chance to be back in the hunt, especially with our good recruitment and development. If we start trading 2 first rounders for 25 year olds we are asking for perpetual mediocrity.
We had the players there ripe to build a team around. Said at the time of drafting Prestia, imagine what those established stars would have thought if we passed up a quality player like Prestia because pic 6 was to high. In 3 years when and if that no.6 pick comes on, the window has passed. As you said, you build then you swap. Then getting Lynch two years later for effectively nothing was the icing on the cake.
Harry Taylor is about to say good bye!The problem with relying on trades is that it's very hard to fill in a list with quality players. You end up running out of good picks well before you fill a list. If you're thereabouts you can throw picks at establish stars and create a more powerful list. But you then end up relying on late draft picks being good players as your team falls off a cliff age wise in a few years. It's a toal gamble.
And building a team via trading doesn't make sense. Unless you trade out low picks for multiple good B grade players. Otherwise you end up with a few A graders and bunch of C graders.
And to make it harder the best players usually go for a premiership chance rather than $.
So a pure trading strategy is almost impossible. You trade 5 years of round 1 and 2 = 10 picks. You'd expect to get about 10 players. You need 18 + 4 + backup. So pure trading gets you 1/2 of a team. And the salary cap problems that come with it. And you have a 5 year gap in player age. That means when your squad gets around 30 years old you have nothing coming through and ... goodbye.
2016 was a shocking season. I saw one game that season vs St Kilda late in the year. We were playing horrible football. I thought the Dimma/Gale era was over. Richmond doing Richmondy things. I thought it was time something changed. Usuually that's the coach. The club were different. Balme and Caracella were bought to the club. But Prestia, for a first rounder & 750k, which made him almost our highest paid player. Who in the first 1/2 of the season couldn't hit the side of a barn with his kicks. Prestia was a slow burn.I still remember people on here crying when we gave up a first rounder and a pick swap for this jet
Keep raiding Gold CoastYou just traded Riewoldt, Cotchin, Rance, Martin, Vlastuin for some clowns that retired long ago. The club pulled the right rein with Prestia that is for sure, but you build your team by drafting top end talent, then you fill gaps by trading for established talent in the right part of the cycle if needed. That is more or less the blueprint of the last three multiple premiers, us, Hawks, Cats. I would hate to see the club get addicted to staying in contention at the likely expense of having any real hope of winning flags. Would rather see us when our champs are past it, retire them off, keep some leadership, swap some older players with currency for draft picks and get a good bubble of 7-8 high end picks over 2-3 years. About 3-4 years later you are every chance to be back in the hunt, especially with our good recruitment and development. If we start trading 2 first rounders for 25 year olds we are asking for perpetual mediocrity.
HAHAHAHAHaaaaaaa it was the first thing I noticed in that picture of the meatball! Colonel Blimp's limp wristed tackle...then Grimsey's sense of urgency!Great photo. Check the elite pressure on the ball carrier from Curnow.
HAHAHAHAHaaaaaaa it was the first thing I noticed in that picture of the meatball! Colonel Blimp's limp wristed tackle...then Grimsey's sense of urgency!
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Rewatching prelim v scatters and the caddy to Prestia to lynch chain happened at two critical times - the famous first goal to start the second half but also the goal where lynch put us in front in the third. Sweet chemistry.
FA has been our Friend.Coming in that is.The problem with relying on trades is that it's very hard to fill in a list with quality players. You end up running out of good picks well before you fill a list. If you're thereabouts you can throw picks at establish stars and create a more powerful list. But you then end up relying on late draft picks being good players as your team falls off a cliff age wise in a few years. It's a toal gamble.
And building a team via trading doesn't make sense. Unless you trade out low picks for multiple good B grade players. Otherwise you end up with a few A graders and bunch of C graders.
And to make it harder the best players usually go for a premiership chance rather than $.
So a pure trading strategy is almost impossible. You trade 5 years of round 1 and 2 = 10 picks. You'd expect to get about 10 players. You need 18 + 4 + backup. So pure trading gets you 1/2 of a team. And the salary cap problems that come with it. And you have a 5 year gap in player age. That means when your squad gets around 30 years old you have nothing coming through and ... goodbye.
FA has been our Friend.Coming in that is.
Going out another matter.
FA is great. But is costs $. It alleviates the trading picks issue. But at the cost of money. So very good point. But you still end up with a pure trade / Fa approach leaving you with few picks and a full salary cap, and quite likely problems down the track as players age.
The Hawks seem to be taking this trade / FA approach. I reckon the top end of their list is very good. But their depth isn't great. And as their older guys start to go, can they rely on this approach to continue 'working'. At some point I'd argue players will ask for extra to come to a consistent middle of the road team. And some of their cheap trades for injured guys will likely fail. Then they suddenly have fewer young guys and a fairly expensive decent, but not great mature aged squad. They are doing well, but I'm not sure I see them pinching another premiership this way. And I see the Hawks as the best case for this trade/FA approach.
We've used FA really well, and if the AFL hadn't changed the rules after the last second for Ellis we'd have had a late 1st round pick. But we're using it to fill holes, not the list.
I sat in the SCG in round 23 in 2016 and copped so much s**t from my Sydney mates - thought we were about a thousand years from a premiership...2016 was a shocking season. I saw one game that season vs St Kilda late in the year. We were playing horrible football. I thought the Dimma/Gale era was over. Richmond doing Richmondy things. I thought it was time something changed. Usuually that's the coach. The club were different. Balme and Caracella were bought to the club. But Prestia, for a first rounder & 750k, which made him almost our highest paid player. Who in the first 1/2 of the season couldn't hit the side of a barn with his kicks. Prestia was a slow burn.
I think Blair Hartley is a genius.FA is great. But is costs $. It alleviates the trading picks issue. But at the cost of money. So very good point. But you still end up with a pure trade / Fa approach leaving you with few picks and a full salary cap, and quite likely problems down the track as players age.
The Hawks seem to be taking this trade / FA approach. I reckon the top end of their list is very good. But their depth isn't great. And as their older guys start to go, can they rely on this approach to continue 'working'. At some point I'd argue players will ask for extra to come to a consistent middle of the road team. And some of their cheap trades for injured guys will likely fail. Then they suddenly have fewer young guys and a fairly expensive decent, but not great mature aged squad. They are doing well, but I'm not sure I see them pinching another premiership this way. And I see the Hawks as the best case for this trade/FA approach.
We've used FA really well, and if the AFL hadn't changed the rules after the last second for Ellis we'd have had a late 1st round pick. But we're using it to fill holes, not the list.