Past 3. Marc Murphy

[katmanblue]

I think loyalty is a two-way street. How we show loyalty to Marc will directly relate to the likelihood of players showing loyalty to us when the option to move comes about for them.

If we low-ball him or push him out, the players will know that they'd be best off looking after themselves as the club is not going to look after them.

Perhaps this is old-school thinking, but I think it's a part of the synergy that makes a successful organisation... of any type.

This is huge i reckon.

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[katmanblue]

I sort of agree with what you are saying but some hawks supporters probably thought it was pretty harsh to move mitchell, lewis and now that hodgy is continuing on at lions.....doesn't look like it deterred prospective players queuing up to go there.

Might affect players accepting unders to stay though.

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[Accidental genius]

Loyalty goes both ways, what about the other players? Doc, Cripps, Dow, Would they think that when they turn 27 or 28 they better look elsewhere before they get two old. A good list manager will realize that there dealing with people not just footballers.

I two agree...

 

[Robertio]

I two agree...

Another Smart Arse. I don't belong here i'm off.

 

[Accidental genius]

Another Smart Arse. I don't belong here i'm off.

Don’t go! we were just getting to know one another....

 

[branedotorg]

I think loyalty is a two-way street. How we show loyalty to Marc will directly relate to the likelihood of players showing loyalty to us when the option to move comes about for them.

If we low-ball him or push him out, the players will know that they'd be best off looking after themselves as the club is not going to look after them.

Perhaps this is old-school thinking, but I think it's a part of the synergy that makes a successful organisation... of any type.

OR

obvious up-and-coming leaders are chafing under a hang-over captaincy from a poor era for the club and see his continuing importance as an impediment to improving standards of leadership on and off the field.

this lack of buy-in to the 'reset' and organisational reinvention leaves them cynical to the message and more open to considering other offers.

not suggesting this is the case btw, more of a hypothetical extended from experience in organisations going through restructure.

 

[Arr0w]

Harsh, I'd be happy for him to be on a performance-based contract that values him between $650-$750k/year.

I'm sure he's close to a top tier player in whatever salary structure SOS is operating.

It may seem harsh, but it really isn't. If you want to include incentives, I would say the limit would be $600-650K. A contract is not for what a player has achieved, it is for what he can achieve in the future.

I like Marc, as a person and a player, but his value, for 2019 & 2020 is around the above mark, not more. I hope he stays, but if he does want to move on, I wish him all the best

 

[AceAndy]

It may seem harsh, but it really isn't. If you want to include incentives, I would say the limit would be $600-650K. A contract is not for what a player has achieved, it is for what he can achieve in the future.

I like Marc, as a person and a player, but his value, for 2019 & 2020 is around the above mark, not more. I hope he stays, but if he does to move on, I wish him all the best

Do you think he would get offers from other clubs at that 600-650 K ? I am not sure there would be interest from other clubs at that level.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Probably not …. He would never be "The Piece" …. [wow there is an exception right there … (I b4 e except after C)] to a missing premiership puzzle. But, he has hung fat over the years and whilst I agree with Arr0w's ruthlessness, I have a large part of me that says look after him.

1 Year with bonus's, with a 2 year trigger.
Relinquish the captaincy.

 

[Gethelred]

As far as things go, I'd be happy enough with that Crusher. It really depends, though, how the captaincy is given as to whether or not he relinquishes the captaincy; is the captain elected, or does the club determine who the leaders are?

I'm fine with another players - read, Doc or Cripps - to become captain, but if we've used elected leaders to this point it may not be a good thing to suddenly impose another captain on the squad, regardless of who it is or how respected they are. Will it not seem to the new captain and the players that the club all of a sudden didn't trust them not to elect the right candidate?

I'm sure things will work out okay, but I don't see why the captaincy should form a part of contract discussions.

 

[Arr0w]

Do you think he would get offers from other clubs at that 600-650 K ? I am not sure there would be interest from other clubs at that level.

Unless they think it could be the difference in a flag, over the next couple of years.

Although he could leave for less to chase a flag

 

[onesilop]

Don’t go! we were just getting to know Juan another....

Corrected


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[JustaBattler]

The only hint that Murphy has not decided 100% to stay at Carlton, is the one public statement he has made where he said that he had "a lot to think about". I remember some long TV piece that Murph put together a while back - where he specifically stated that his father regretted not being a one Club player and that his father advised him to be a one Club player. There is no doubt in my mind that the SOS regime considers past player payments to have been not in line with his thinking.

I put the two together and conclude that there is an element of 'negotiation' going on.

I think that Murph is worth as much as Kreuzer and Kreuzer took a significant reduction on his salary expectations a year or so ago - money is likely to be the sticking point (if anything).

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

OR

obvious up-and-coming leaders are chafing under a hang-over captaincy from a poor era for the club and see his continuing importance as an impediment to improving standards of leadership on and off the field.

this lack of buy-in to the 'reset' and organisational reinvention leaves them cynical to the message and more open to considering other offers.

not suggesting this is the case btw, more of a hypothetical extended from experience in organisations going through restructure.

I don't think that's a worry at all as they are the ones voting him to be their leader.

For me 2 yrs at $600k is fair as he still is one of our best players.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

23 minute mark. John Murphy says that his biggest regret is not being a one club player, and that his advice to Marc is to be a one club player.

I know it doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of financial security and premierships, but I think it’s interesting to say the least.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Do you think he would get offers from other clubs at that 600-650 K ? I am not sure there would be interest from other clubs at that level.

For that reason , Murph stays..

 

[AceAndy]

For that reason , Murph stays..

It will be interesting to see how the club plays this. I think 600-650 would be a little over market rate and they may offer him a contract around 500 - 550 and not be too worried should he leave.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

My own thoughts is that I think Murphy will be happy to pass on the Captaincy to Doc or Cripps at the end of this year!

 

[Lawrence Angwin]

Had a dream last night that a mate and I ran into Murphy and another player having some time away during the bye round. Asked Murph if he was staying - he was very cagey to begin with, but after I promised I wouldn't plaster it all over social media, he said pretty emphatically that he'd be off to another club but didn't know which one just yet. Could tell he was a little sad about it.

Take it for what it's worth.

The Captain of our great club reaches out to you in a dream, confides in you that he has reluctantly decided to move on after you promise not to post in on social media and here you are doing just that!..............Shame on you.


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[CJMB]

My own thoughts is that I think Murphy will be happy to pass on the Captaincy to Doc or Cripps at the end of this year!

And happy to stay a blue?


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[RAPPA]

If he decides to leave, good luck to him. We have already seen this year what life will be like post-Murphy and hopefully we get some decent compensation in return.

 

[ODNBlue]

I sort of agree with what you are saying but some hawks supporters probably thought it was pretty harsh to move mitchell, lewis and now that hodgy is continuing on at lions.....doesn't look like it deterred prospective players queuing up to go there.

I could be wrong, but I don't think any of those players were pushed or pressured. Mitchell wanted to get into coaching and so Clarkson and Simpson got together and orchestrated something... Hodge retired supposedly because he felt he was stopping the development of a youngster... which, in hindsight, might be why Sicily has come on the way he has. Finally, I couldn't care less about Lewis... he's a c a m p a i g n e r.

Would not be the same as us lowballing Murph to get him to leave. If he wants to leave, I for one support his decision. But I would be unhappy if it was because we wouldn't satisfy him.

OR

obvious up-and-coming leaders are chafing under a hang-over captaincy from a poor era for the club and see his continuing importance as an impediment to improving standards of leadership on and off the field.

this lack of buy-in to the 'reset' and organisational reinvention leaves them cynical to the message and more open to considering other offers.

not suggesting this is the case btw, more of a hypothetical extended from experience in organisations going through restructure.

Yes, this is possible. And frankly I see Murph's time as captain as over. Complicated though... the captaincy is supposedly voted on by the playing group. If Murph is willing to play on without the captaincy then I think we should let him. If he's not, then I support the club to do what is necessary for the betterment of the group.

 

[ShanDog]

The Captain of our great club reaches out to you in a dream, confides in you that he has reluctantly decided to move on after you promise not to post in on social media and here you are doing just that!..............Shame on you.


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Not my fault he's a sucka!

 

[branedotorg]

The Captain of our great club reaches out to you in a dream, confides in you that he has reluctantly decided to move on after you promise not to post in on social media and here you are doing just that!..............Shame on you.

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Not my fault he's a sucka!

this is actually anti-social media

 

[Gethelred]

The Captain of our great club reaches out to you in a dream, confides in you that he has reluctantly decided to move on after you promise not to post in on social media and here you are doing just that!..............Shandog on you.


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