3 Points..... Not Surprised

[PCORF]

It was dreadful. I thought we played some great attacking footy and to lose the game was just awful. You're 8 points up inside the last 4 minutes and as a Crows fan knowing your recent history in tight games I was never confident particularly at the venue and time of day played - who cares if its red or away uniforms because both our away strips suck big time. All of a sudden you're trailing by 10 points. But it was a great game and its hard to understand why we lost and I think one of the reasons is we could not get our hands on the ball when we needed to run out some clock. Yes I tipped the Bulldogs to win by 6 (because I was hoping for something different), but I had 3 points in my mind all summer long saying that we were going to find a way to lose by 3 points. But I liked what I saw from the guys actually, they played better more attacking footy than last season's disaster but the Doggy Styles also played with similar intensity. Ben Hudson smashed us in the ruck and Scott Welsh ripped us apart big time and that was the most awful thing plus Huddo should have been called for holding the ball and I think we would have won easily if Hudson and Welsh in the Adelaide lineup and its not their fault they left, it was last year's disaster. Bock missed the last shot and he would have nailed it if he was playing for Collingwood or someone like that. Sucks big time we always find a way to lose and next time lose by 30 points, 150 to 120. We haven't won by 3 points or less since R17 2002 so yeah very frustrating and its the longest drought, 11 straight losses by 3 points or less. There is alot to play for next week because we haven't beaten the Eagles at home since 2003 and have lost the last 4 by 11,2,10 and 23 points. I'll be there at the game next weekend and we need to win these next two home games. These are huge games, season defining games because we need to make the top 4 to prove everyone wrong.

Congrats to Brad Johnson for his 300th game milestone.

 

[crowugoodthing]

It's time for Craigy to stop this line that if you win of lose by 6 points or less it comes down to luck. I've heard players even mention this. Don't tell me it's not in the back of their minds.

We need to change our attitude to close games and say you make your own luck and good teams win these sort of games, and then actually start winning them!

 

[Zvim]

It's time for Craigy to stop this line that if you win of lose by 6 points or less it comes down to luck. I've heard players even mention this. Don't tell me it's not in the back of their minds.

We need to change our attitude to close games and say you make your own luck and good teams win these sort of games, and then actually start winning them!

Had Bock kicked the last shot on goal you would have won by 2, he missed, you lost. That is bad luck, he kicks it and you win, that is good luck.

What he says is true, but I also agree with you in that you make your own luck. Putting Shirley on Johnno probably was a catalyst for the game to be decided on luck. Crows should have won the game but was happy to see Johnno have a memorable 300th.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

It's time for Craigy to stop this line that if you win of lose by 6 points or less it comes down to luck. I've heard players even mention this. Don't tell me it's not in the back of their minds.

We need to change our attitude to close games and say you make your own luck and good teams win these sort of games, and then actually start winning them!

Couldnt agree any more and Im sure 99% of Crows supporters would aswell. If Rucci is looking for an article to bag Adelaide then this should be it. If we learnt to close games down and slow games down when needed we would be the a top 4 team at worse. I love Craigy and hope he gets a 3 year extension but surely he realises that its no longer luck. It the same if a tennis player loses 11 five setters in a row. Luck? No way

 

[footy4ever]

Hey, someone mentioned rucci...I thought swearing was banned here...AND...

If I was a coach I would tie someone to the goalpost with just enough rope to reach the other goalpoast, so there would always be a player between the ball and the goal line, to stop the sort of goal Brad J. kicked to sink us. We play the mortal enemy in a couple of weeks and they are the masters of skanky little fiddly undeserved prissy and ugly little roll-through bounce-through garbage goals! Hope we are a lot smarter then.
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AFC ~ the team

 

[Trucklover]

Am i the only crows fan that is not completely shatterd with yesterdyas game. i mean sure we lost that was dissapointing but ther were more positives than negatives coming out of the game. griffin anf tippet won more hit outs that hudson and minson. porplyzia was awsome. mackay showed promise in his first game. €Kurt continued to show why he is goin to be sooooo good. none of goodwin mcleoud or edwards would have been in our top 5 players and we only lost by 3 points. and the biggest positive is the high scoring. i would much rather see them lose by 3 points with the score being 126-123 than to lose by 3 points with the score being 70-67 which has been morelikely for the last few years.

the media and fans need to settle down. many people arent expecting them to make the finals and the bulldogs are. we were the better team for alot of the game. the more experience the kids get in games like these the better they will be.

It is also the best game of football ive seen involving the crows since that final against melbourne a few years ago. i would rather watch the crows in games like these than in the rubbish that was played saturday nite

 

[Damp Squarie]

It's time for Craigy to stop this line that if you win of lose by 6 points or less it comes down to luck. I've heard players even mention this. Don't tell me it's not in the back of their minds.

We need to change our attitude to close games and say you make your own luck and good teams win these sort of games, and then actually start winning them!

Too true.
It shit me when Craigy said this but Id rather he'd not said it because I felt even more gutted given some matchup decisions requiring no luck at all.
I think we are saving our cliff-hanging win for Round 3.

 

[raikkonen]

I was happy with the ball in Bocky's hand at the late stage of the game. He has a good 5 years experience under him now, and my mind immediateluy flashed back to the 2006 WCE Prelim, when he nailed two goals under much more immense pressure from the 'Nathan Bock Pocket.' Had the ball sailed through we won a classic by 2 points.

I think for our team, renowned for a defensive brand of footy, played their hearts out, in the type of game rarely seen from our boys (as in highscoring). Sure I was as ropeable as the next guy...my backfence wore a few holes from rocks i pegged at it......but Im over it now, and lloking foward to spanking WCE next weekend.

 

[jo172]

It's time for Craigy to stop this line that if you win of lose by 6 points or less it comes down to luck. I've heard players even mention this. Don't tell me it's not in the back of their minds.

We need to change our attitude to close games and say you make your own luck and good teams win these sort of games, and then actually start winning them!

Bullshit.

The ball sails 2 meters the other way from Bock's shot and this thread doesn't exist

There is an element of luck in football and when a couple of meters makes the difference between winning and losing you cannot tell me that it's all the coach's fault.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Bullshit.

The ball sails 2 meters the other way from Bock's shot and this thread doesn't exist

There is an element of luck in football and when a couple of meters makes the difference between winning and losing you cannot tell me that it's all the coach's fault.

The fact we needed that final goal was to a large degree the coach's fault, as discussed on your thread.

Even if Bock kicked that goal i would be just as critical of that coaching decision. Luck is no excuse for that.

 

[Greatness23]

Forget Bock's goal attempt, that shot was extrememly difficult compared to some of the sitters missed by Porps, Tippett, Stevo, Bernie and maybe a couple more.

Our goal kicking in recent years has been awful. The dogs won because they kicked straight, at one stage they kicked about 10 in a row. The 3rd quarter was 7.0 to 5.5.
We get so many shots on goal that if we just kicked straight, we'd rarely lose.

 

[crowugoodthing]

Bullshit.

The ball sails 2 meters the other way from Bock's shot and this thread doesn't exist

There is an element of luck in football and when a couple of meters makes the difference between winning and losing you cannot tell me that it's all the coach's fault.

Well the FACT is it did sail the wrong side of the post. Losing too many of these close games is not bad luck. IT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

 

[weagles_fan]

Well the FACT is it did sail the wrong side of the post. Losing too many of these close games is not bad luck. IT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

Exactly if Bock was a better shot for goal he would've nailed it and Adelaide would've won.

 

[jo172]

Well the FACT is it did sail the wrong side of the post. Losing too many of these close games is not bad luck. IT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

So it's Neil Craig's fault that Bock isn't a 100% perfect kick?

Come on, the ball goes through for a goal and suddenly we're awesome in close matches again.

Blokes like you just like to dummy spit.

 

[crowugoodthing]

So it's Neil Craig's fault that Bock isn't a 100% perfect kick?

Come on, the ball goes through for a goal and suddenly we're awesome in close matches again.

Blokes like you just like to dummy spit.

And people like you just take things however they want (wrongly) and then abuse people who offer a different opinion.

I'll spell it out slowly for you........

1. We have lost too many close games that there comes a point where you cant just say its bad luck. Therefore there is more to this than just yesterdays game.

2. By saying its bad luck gives the team an excuse.

3. Good teams win close games. End of story.

 

[jo172]

1. We have lost too many close games that there comes a point where you cant just say its bad luck. Therefore there is more to this than just yesterdays game..

While I'm inclined to agree with you, you state that as if it's fact. It's not. There is no way of measuring an intangible like luck. It is in fact your opinion.

2. By saying its bad luck gives the team an excuse..

No but it offers a reasonable idea of why we lost the game. You could say we lost because Bock can't kick straight, I consider it more to be poor accuracy in front of goals and bad luck

3. Good teams win close games. End of story.

So are we a good team then? And if not how much of that can be attributed to the Coaching panel?

 

[Crow-mo]

Bullshit.

The ball sails 2 meters the other way from Bock's shot and this thread doesn't exist

There is an element of luck in football and when a couple of meters makes the difference between winning and losing you cannot tell me that it's all the coach's fault.

steady om.

you missed the point badly. at some point it's no longer luck.

 

[feenix67]

And people like you just take things however they want (wrongly) and then abuse people who offer a different opinion.

I'll spell it out slowly for you........

1. We have lost too many close games that there comes a point where you cant just say its bad luck. Therefore there is more to this than just yesterdays game.

2. By saying its bad luck gives the team an excuse.

3. Good teams win close games. End of story.

You're saying WCE were not a good team in 2005...and Swans not a good team in 2006??? That's funny.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Had Bock kicked the last shot on goal you would have won by 2, he missed, you lost. That is bad luck, he kicks it and you win, that is good luck.

What he says is true, but I also agree with you in that you make your own luck. Putting Shirley on Johnno probably was a catalyst for the game to be decided on luck. Crows should have won the game but was happy to see Johnno have a memorable 300th.

Winning that game would have masked the problems we have in match ups.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Forget Bock's goal attempt, that shot was extrememly difficult compared to some of the sitters missed by Porps, Tippett, Stevo, Bernie and maybe a couple more.

Our goal kicking in recent years has been awful. The dogs won because they kicked straight, at one stage they kicked about 10 in a row. The 3rd quarter was 7.0 to 5.5.
We get so many shots on goal that if we just kicked straight, we'd rarely lose.

That is the real reason we've lost so many finals.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Forget Bock's goal attempt, that shot was extrememly difficult compared to some of the sitters missed by Porps, Tippett, Stevo, Bernie and maybe a couple more.

Our goal kicking in recent years has been awful. The dogs won because they kicked straight, at one stage they kicked about 10 in a row. The 3rd quarter was 7.0 to 5.5.
We get so many shots on goal that if we just kicked straight, we'd rarely lose.

I completely agree with you. Bock didn't loose that game, Buddy didn't win that final, or Thompson didn't loose it by kicking it ootf. It's what happens from the first bounce.


Kick straight and these things would have not have had any influence.

 

[Pride of SA]

How about focusing on the positives.
Is losing close games on the siren the worst thing in the world for an inexperienced team thats rebuilding?

How about the fact our young midfield already just about holds it own out there?
Or that we seem to have a goal kicking forward again?
Or that despite two ruck kids with no body strength yet we can still win clearances.
Or the fact that we get the ball into the 50 so many times that its only some inaccuracate kicking costing us ( much easier to teach straigh kicking than it is to win the contested ball)

I saw some fantastic signs out there from some young kids thats made me vastly happier about our 2009- future. We dont even look like we`ll need to have the cop-out year of bottom four to rebuild, or even Ports 2006 year.

We`ve ALREADY got a potential finals team (albeit 7th-8th) with players out there who can count the number of games they`ve played on one hand (or even one finger with McKay/Tippett).

Whats with the rush to whiteant the team already?

 

[crowugoodthing]

You're saying WCE were not a good team in 2005...and Swans not a good team in 2006??? That's funny.

No you're right pick 1 game for those teams for an example. How about you look at their records in close games over that 2 year period. hmmm funny

I can't understand how some people just accept that we keep losing close games. I normally agree with Craigy and how he goes about things but this time I think he is way off. Our record in close games is not good and he should be saying.... "Our football club has not been good enough in this area and that is an area we must improve on and turn the result around" .....like he spins in other areas all the time.