Traded #30: Patrick Ryder - Traded to Port for pick 17 and 37

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Are Port in on this too? If so, they must have another player in mind. Not exactly sure what they'd need from us to be honest in terms of mediocre players.

Winders has just started a business in Melbourne, so he's not going interstate.
I think Port may have instigated it because they weren't able or willing to make a trade we would find fair. This way they get Ryder for peanuts and push everybody's picks back by 1.
 

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Are Port in on this too? If so, they must have another player in mind. Not exactly sure what they'd need from us to be honest in terms of mediocre players.

Winders has just started a business in Melbourne, so he's not going interstate.
This could be the only time we get to package up Hardingham and Jetta for a first rounder, and have it actually considered... makes me wish that Dyson was still on the list!
 

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The AFL won't sign off on that deal so I'd forget it

Also it's basically 2 second round picks for Ryder. Shit deal.

<15 and 17, maybe
Bunk, part of the sooking going on with the Port people is about how this is all about Paddy. We're just being arseholes and after the "treatment we've given him we should just let him go". While I don't doubt the mayo is layered on, what do you know about Paddy at the moment? If no deal can be done will he go mental?

There was a comment somewhere about Paddy coming out in the press over the next few days to say how much and why he wants to go .... not discounting that it was just bullshit from a port feral either.
 

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we need a midfielder that is the value of a top 5 pick, picks 17+ 21 does not get us a top 5 mid... if they gave us a compensation pick according to where our first rounder would have been which would be pick 13 I think plus we also get 17 for trading ricky dyson, we are getting closer to what it should be.
 

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And let's be completely clear here, Port are doing nothing but vulturing and hoping to thieve player, nothing else.

That's fine, they're an opposition club and that's what clubs do, but Port never, ever had any intention of putting together a proper trade.

They're a young, tight group who are already a top 4 side. They're not going to mess with that by ruining the groups culture. Throwing out (or attempting to) somebody valuable who doesn't want to go, to a rabble club like us, could do much more damage than just losing that player.
 
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Port want Paddy - Paddy wants Port. So the lines are drawn for the trade.

But lets get facts straight here, the onus is truly on Port to get a result in a deal to get the move done. No matter if it requires a third club for a trade to a better draft pick, or them to bite their lip and take it in giving up a player.

The fairytale that's been thrown up by the AFL, to try and appease a player that potentially could sue the club and competition throws any contract for any player out the window. Anything that involves an AFL logo and a player contract won't be fit for anything but dunny paper.

The way it's going, if we get a second complementary pick for the trade of one of our spuds, Port have given away the minimal for a top 40 player in the league. They would go into 2015 with minimal disruption - another AFL pandered interstate club wins again.
 

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Considering what we had been staring down the barrel of, this is a pretty big improvement.
I'm interested to hear what the secondary deal will involve however. I'd love it if it was just a switch of our 3rd round for their 1st, but I dunno if Port would go for that.
 

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I haven't actually read any of these 'experts' columns but in short, we could end up with;

pick 17 (on traded from Port Adelaide), Pick 20 (end of first round compensation given for the supplements saga) and pick 21 (compensation pick for the loss of 'free agent' Paddy Ryder)

pick 17, 20 + 21 doesn't look as bad and to be honest is going to be the best outcome we could ask for. Throw in an Andrew Moore and we would be coming somewhere near an agreement in my humble opinion.
 
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Essendon didn't come up with this. They aren't even keen on it. Yet your first reaction is oh we're cheating, we haven't learned our lesson.

Now you're making up reasons to berate the club.
Poor innocent Essendon being dragged into this. Woe is us.

We're considering it. So yeah, my criticism was justified.

And sorry, where did I say cheating?
 

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Port want Paddy - Paddy wants Port. So the lines are drawn for the trade.

But lets get facts straight here, the onus is truly on Port to get a result in a deal to get the move done. No matter if it requires a third club for a trade to a better draft pick, or them to bite their lip and take it in giving up a player.

The fairytale that's been thrown up by the AFL, to try and appease a player that potentially could sue the club and competition throws any contract for any player out the window. Anything that involves an AFL logo and a player contract won't be fit for anything but dunny paper.

The way it's going, if we get a second complementary pick for the trade of one of our spuds, Port have given away the minimal for a top 40 player in the league. They would go into 2015 with minimal disruption - another AFL pandered interstate club wins again.
Screams of desperation by the AFL to allow such a series of events to go through. Hiding something perhaps?
 

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so why are they doing this:


The AFL has indicated to both Essendon and Port that Ryder can have his contract voided by mutual consent of club and player, making him a free agent.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...t-adelaide-20141008-1137n5.html#ixzz3FXc05tT2
I don't know how we'd trade them somebody for 17.

Jetta and Hardy played a few games this year and there's no way they'll let us have 17 for them.

BUT let's not think the AFL will have a problem bending their own rules.
 

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I don't know how we'd trade them somebody for 17.

Jetta and Hardy played a few games this year and there's no way they'll let us have 17 for them.

BUT let's not think the AFL will have a problem bending their own rules.
Yes but it is still effectively part of the Ryder trade isn't? Just not officially.
 

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AFL never learns does it.. screams shonky to me..

I can't even begin to describe how many things are wrong with this scenario. However it does confirm my gut feeling.. and that is the fact that the AFL do NOT want this 'clause' tested.. irrespective of why.. as it opens a can of worms.

I think if you had an agree that the pick would be at our actual draft position (which technically still exists but we 'pass for sanction').. so we end up with Pick 13.. then it is better than just 17.

I would suggest that of the guys looking to leave.. EKav would fit the 'could be worth #17 in theory' test.

So:
EKav + Ryder = #13+ #18

is under but better than #17 on its own.

Still would prefer the AFL force Port to do a fair trade.. but I've given up on things making sense or being fair.
 
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