30 Round season

[Lionel Lyon]

This has probably been flogged to death, but why not the 30 round season? Make the minor premier Ansett Cup winner. NRL has 26 rounds, NBL 28, and NSL 30. Why can't we get up there? Player lists, and maybe even benches, can be extended to counter fatigue. Why not? It means more and fairer footy!

 

[Guest]

I'll say this AGAIN.

There are only 2 fair methods in setting up a season.

A - 30 week season which in most peoples minds is far too long.

B - A 2 conference system comprising a 22 week season with each team in their conference playing each other twice, and playing the other conference once.

The current system is a complete lottery which is extremely unfair.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by happy hawker:
A - 30 week season which in most peoples minds is far too long.

Who says it's too long? It would only be a measly three rounds longer than what we have already (given that the Ansett Cup is 5 rounds long).

 

[eagleskickass]

i definately don't want a conference system, NO WAY. What is wrong with a 30 round season, it is, to me the best solution. No way should the league be broken into 2 divisions, keep with the 1 like Aussi Rules always has been, its our sport, don't need to copy Others.

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[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by eagleskickass:
i definately don't want a conference system, NO WAY. What is wrong with a 30 round season, it is, to me the best solution. No way should the league be broken into 2 divisions, keep with the 1 like Aussi Rules always has been, its our sport, don't need to copy Others.

Absolutely, NO to conferences, I agree. We spent years getting a National (ok ok expanded VFL for the purists) league together in order to overcome the divisive State Leagues, and now conferences will just ruin it again. It's just three extra rounds for cryin' out loud!! Three measly rounds away from a draw above all suspicion. They can increase player lists, salary caps, bench sizes accordingly if they want, but faaark, no more whining from anybody (Victorian or "interstater") over inequities for just a piddly three extra rounds!

 

[Tom FC]

Here's my suggestion.

Increase the allowed size of lists to about 50, increase the number of rounds to 30, but make a rule that no one player can play more than 20 games. That way, players don't burn out, individual injuries don't hurt a team so much, the draw is made fairer, and an extra level of tactics is added. When players are suspended by the tribunal for upcoming matches, the number of games they can play is reduced. For example, if a player is rubbed out for 3 games, he can only play 17 games in the year.

Of course, this is totally convoluted, it would send half the clubs bankrupt trying to meet the additional player payments, fans would never be sure if their favourite players are playing before a match, and there is every chance the overall standard would drop.

Other than that, though, it's not a bad idea.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Tom FC:
Here's my suggestion.
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Other than that, though, it's not a bad idea.

My only problem with limiting how much players can play is that it comes across as too micro-managerial. Let 'em play as much as they can/want. The coaches and players will work out themselves how much, but yes, I agree with you, the concern with burn-out will add another tactical level to the mix.

 

[Blues_Brat]

THIRTY ROUNDS? Are you people insane? Do you know how hard the game of football is on a playes body? We already have players retiring before their time (Craig Bradley the exception, damn hes a freak!) , imagine the turn over of players if there was a 30 round season.

Unless cloning technology is being used on footballers theres no way a 30 round season is feasible.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat:
THIRTY ROUNDS? Are you people insane? Do you know how hard the game of football is on a playes body? We already have players retiring before their time (Craig Bradley the exception, damn hes a freak!) , imagine the turn over of players if there was a 30 round season.

Unless cloning technology is being used on footballers theres no way a 30 round season is feasible.

Players would still play the same number of matches in their careers. There could be an increased bench and extended player lists to allow teams tactically to rest players during the season, if they so wanted. IMHO it would work excellently. With the Ansett Cup we're currently on 27 rounds (though, admittedly, the Ansett Cup's losing teams don't play 27 rounds), but still, it is the most viable and logical way of ironing out lingering inequities in the current system.

And besides, 22 rounds is an antiquated holdover from the old VFL. Time to move on....

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[Guest]

I NEVER SAID I THINK A 30 ROUND SEASON IS A BAD IDEA.

It's a fact that the players almost to a man would not accept a 30 round season. I think 30 rounds is a pretty good solution.

A conference system would not make aussie rules any less Australian, it is not just copying the Americans it is a valid system to overcome the unfair draw we have.

Sometimes you have look outside your front door to see how it might be done better, stop being so insular.

Whatever happens the current draw must change.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon:
My only problem with limiting how much players can play is that it comes across as too micro-managerial. Let 'em play as much as they can/want. The coaches and players will work out themselves how much, but yes, I agree with you, the concern with burn-out will add another tactical level to the mix.

love the idea of 30 rounds... finally a fair fixture... and also agree the clubs players and coaches will know burning out players... is not the way to go... would agree with larger lists and benches...

 

[Grave Danger]

For FÜCK'S sake - the answer is simple: Just get rid of four Victorian teams! 22 rounds, home and away for all clubs. 150-odd less players at the AFL level (although lists could be increased again) would improve the standard of the AFL competition AND the second tier leagues. All the other national league sports have grasped this nettle - wake up AFL

 

[hotham]

The idea of a 30 round season has merit. The draw at the moment is compromised. Abolish the Ansett Cup and offer more money for finishing on top of the ladder.

 

[Guest]

Grave Danger, you gotta be joking. The AFL will NEVER NEVER NEVER have less than 16 teams in the competition.

There will certainly be less Victorian teams but they will be replaced with others.

 

[Same Old's]

Originally posted by happy hawker:
The current system is a complete lottery which is extremely unfair.

The current draw isn't really a lottery because it compromised by clubs asking the AFL for "blockbuster" games and other requests.

 

[SpecialBruce]

30 round season.

Get rid of the nonsense Ansett Cup.

If clubs want practice matches they can organise them before the season. Maximum of 2.

There is only 2 ways in which we can gain a season where everyone plays each other twice.

A) To cut out the Ansett Cup or
B) Cut the list down to 14 teams with 2 merges.

My suggestion is cut out the Ansett Cup and we can have the 30 round season.

Benefits of a 30 round season

Games will be more exciting
Crowd sizes will be larger
More money with bigger crowd sizes
No more complaints about unfair draws

Disadvantages of a 30 round season

Players health (If players bodies can't cope with a 30 round season then rest and give other players a chance to play)

One more thing. Correct me if I am wrong but aern't the crowd sizes during the season more than the Ansett Cup? I believe so.
If players complain about heat, then play games in Hobart. I'm sure people in Tas will want half a dozen games there.

I think I have covered everything I need to cover.


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[elt]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce:
Benefits of a 30 round season

Games will be more exciting
Crowd sizes will be larger
More money with bigger crowd sizes

How will playing more matches make the games more exciting? Or the crowd sizes larger? Maybe yes compared to Ansett Cup but not compared to other h&A matches. Especially when you take into account lower attendances produced by the earlier start to the season last year which is what would required for a 30 round season.


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[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Grave Danger:
For FÜCK'S sake - the answer is simple: Just get rid of four Victorian teams!
22 rounds, home and away for all clubs. 150-odd less players at the AFL level (although lists could be increased again) would improve the standard of the AFL competition AND the second tier leagues. All the other national league sports have grasped this nettle - wake up AFL

No, Grave, just transfer four Vic teams and have 30 rounds. From the greater nationwide interest generated by these four teams we will have the analogous increase in skills from the greater pool of NSW/QLD kids getting involved. PS I love your umlaut (two little dots), I take it it's "Fueck"?

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[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by happy hawker:

There will certainly be less Victorian teams but they will be replaced with others.

Let's hope they're transferred rather than abolished. Shutting them down would be a cryin' shame, and a stupid waste of reources.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Same Old's:
The current draw isn't really a lottery because it compromised by clubs asking the AFL for "blockbuster" games and other requests.

True, all the blockbusters are programming ballbusters, but a 30 round season solves all.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce:

Players health (If players bodies can't cope with a 30 round season then rest and give other players a chance to play)

Exactly, let 'em work it out themselves. They're grown ups.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
love the idea of 30 rounds... finally a fair fixture... and also agree the clubs players and coaches will know burning out players... is not the way to go... would agree with larger lists and benches...

I have the impression many folks would like to see a 30 round season. It's a wonder why the AFL has been so slow in considering it.....

 

[Grave Danger]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon:
I have the impression many folks would like to see a 30 round season. It's a wonder why the AFL has been so slow in considering it.....

But then the AFLPA would demand a 36% pay rise for the additional 8 games played, which might send a few (eg 4 Victorian) clubs broke! QED

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Grave Danger:
But then the AFLPA would demand a 36% pay rise for the additional 8 games played, which might send a few (eg 4 Victorian) clubs broke! QED

Hehe, salary caps'd go up no doubt. So we have four migrating, panhandling clubs doing the right thing and missionizing the unbelievers.......

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Grave Danger:
For FÜCK'S sake - the answer is simple: Just get rid of four Victorian teams! 22 rounds, home and away for all clubs. 150-odd less players at the AFL level (although lists could be increased again) would improve the standard of the AFL competition AND the second tier leagues. All the other national league sports have grasped this nettle - wake up AFL

Havn't you ever heard of keeping the market happy? Any business firstly has to satisfy their customer. If 4 teams were to become extinct, then roughly, 30-40% of Victorian Football fans wouldn't have a team. 40 PERCENT. That is a MASSIVE amount. It would be disasterous for the AFL to do this. They would lose income and goodwill.

The trick is to keep your supporters happy. Or at least, as happy as you can realistically make them. The first step is to ensure that their team remains a part of the competition. Have you been ignorant of the conflict, controversy and heartbreak when a team is close to folding?? Those issues are NOT what the AFL wants in the newspapers. They want talk about the game itself in the papers.