Player Watch #30 Tom Brown

[Meteoric Rise]

Come off it mate, you are just highlighting the point that frustrates people

You do all these mental gymnastics to make excuses for our own boys when they **** up but when it’s another player you go out of your way to vilify them

All those examples are of players ****ing up and causing unnecessary Injury to an opponent that could of been avoided or an opportunity to cause injury

Stewart is a gun player who ****ed up, just as we have had multiple players who have ****ed up in the heat of the moment and as we will in the future

Listing distinguishing factors in court is not considered mental gymnastics. And it certainly shouldn't be considered that here.

If you are not able to see the distinction it doesn't stop me from seeing it.

 

[Infamy]

So anyway, anyone got any Tom Brown news?

 

[lizard man]

Tom brown is 202 cm tall

 

[spky1234]

What? No it isn't. You even said yourself that without a couple of his AAs he still has 3. He deserved 3, but not 5. It isn't wrong, he literally had one of the worst player ratings, and worst statistics in all categories for a defender in 2019. Genuinely have no idea how he got AA that year. And the year before in 2018, Vlastuin should've been in ahead of him as he had better stats in most areas. Stewart's elite years were in the early 2020s. His '21, '22 and '23 AAs.

Also had the most coaches votes of all key and general defenders in 2019. Player ratings aren't the be all and end all, and even more so with defenders.

Vlastuin not ever making an AA team is a disgrace tho.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Also had the most coaches votes of all key and general defenders in 2019. Player ratings aren't the be all and end all, and even more so with defenders.

Vlastuin not ever making an AA team is a disgrace tho.

Not sure where you are getting your figures from. Stewart's AA selection in 2019 was ludicrous. In 11 of his 22 home and away matches, he rated 6.0 or less, which is poor in any position in any match. In half his matches he was not a factor. And he by no means starred in the other half.

In 2019 Tom Stewart had the 9th most coaches votes of all defenders, but if you actually look through the votes of the matches where he polled, he seems to have been the recipient of the most asymmetrical voting you could ever wish to see. There is only about 1 vote you can be certain came from the opposition coach, from 29 total for the season. I have studied about 30 players coaches votes in detail for asymmetrical voting on the Daicos thread, and Stewart's 2019 is the worst case I have seen for it, and it is not even close. He was equal 9th with 8 other players for Brownlow votes, but we are talking 3 votes total for the season, so it is not a factor. He was the 160th highest rated defender in the competition.

He was about 80th amongst defenders for score involvements. He was about 60th for score launches, so no attacking impact. He was not in the top 100 for spoils. Not in the top 100 for contested possessions. 33rd for uncontested possessions. He did well in defensive 1 v 1 contest losses but had a stack of defenders ahead of him in this stat who had a meaningful amount of matches and contests. The only single stat I can find where he was in the top 6 defenders in the AFL that season is metres gained where he ranked 3rd. That is it.

There was absolutely no reason for him to be selected. Sicily for eg, destroyed Stewart in ratings, coaches votes and Brownlow votes, but the selectors somehow went for Stewart. Only one player who rated below 9.98 was selected in each of the 2018 and 2019 AA teams. Stewart with 9.2 in 2018 and Stewart with 6.4 in 2019. So of the 12 defensive selections made in 2018 & 2019, Stewart rated 11th, a fair distance behind 10th, and 12th a mile behind everyone.

2018 was a baffling selection. 2019 was completely insane.

You have to really bend time and space to get your head around the fact he has been selected in the AA team more often than Dustin Martin, who would have to have his arms tied behind his back to ever lose a contest to Stewart.

 

[energyquant]

Not sure where you are getting your figures from. Stewart's AA selection in 2019 was ludicrous. In 11 of his 22 home and away matches, he rated 6.0 or less, which is poor in any position in any match. In half his matches he was not a factor. And he by no means starred in the other half.

In 2019 Tom Stewart had the 9th most coaches votes of all defenders, but if you actually look through the votes of the matches where he polled, he seems to have been the recipient of the most asymmetrical voting you could ever wish to see. There is only about 1 vote you can be certain came from the opposition coach, from 29 total for the season. I have studied about 30 players coaches votes in detail for asymmetrical voting on the Daicos thread, and Stewart's 2019 is the worst case I have seen for it, and it is not even close. He was equal 9th with 8 other players for Brownlow votes, but we are talking 3 votes total for the season, so it is not a factor. He was the 160th highest rated defender in the competition.

He was about 80th amongst defenders for score involvements. He was about 60th for score launches, so no attacking impact. He was not in the top 100 for spoils. Not in the top 100 for contested possessions. 33rd for uncontested possessions. He did well in defensive 1 v 1 contest losses but had a stack of defenders ahead of him in this stat who had a meaningful amount of matches and contests. The only single stat I can find where he was in the top 6 defenders in the AFL that season is metres gained where he ranked 3rd. That is it.

There was absolutely no reason for him to be selected. Sicily for eg, destroyed Stewart in ratings, coaches votes and Brownlow votes, but the selectors somehow went for Stewart. Only one player who rated below 9.98 was selected in each of the 2018 and 2019 AA teams. Stewart with 9.2 in 2018 and Stewart with 6.4 in 2019. So of the 12 defensive selections made in 2018 & 2019, Stewart rated 11th, a fair distance behind 10th, and 12th a mile behind everyone.

2018 was a baffling selection. 2019 was completely insane.

You have to really bend time and space to get your head around the fact he has been selected in the AA team more often than Dustin Martin, who would have to have his arms tied behind his back to ever lose a contest to Stewart.

One of my favourite footy moments ever....

The moments that mattered

Courageous marks, long bombs, nothing was enough to stop Dusty Martin’s magic.

thewest.com.au

 

[Meteoric Rise]

One of my favourite footy moments ever....

The moments that mattered

Courageous marks, long bombs, nothing was enough to stop Dusty Martin’s magic.

thewest.com.au

The ease with which Dusty destroyed supposed AA level players like Stewart, Rich and Byrne-Jones in big contests in finals was incredible

That passage of play was sensational from Dusty. One minute he is in an overhead marking contest at half back v a taller 5 x AA player, seconds later with a bit of Jack magic thrown in, crucial Richmond goal. You have to think how many times have you seen Ablett Jnr or Daicos or any of these other players flouted as GOATs do anything like that in a big game. It simply never happens.

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

Bro you said 'but he performed absolutely terribly' in two of his AA years.

He may have been fortunate to make 1 or 2 of those AAs, but he has never had a terrible season, not even close. Be honest.

He did perform poorly in one of them. The other he was okay, but many other defenders were ahead of him. His 2019 was bad, as highlighted by Meteroic Rise. The only stat he was good in was Metres Gained that year. Don't confuse him being an elite player in the early 2020s with him deserving AA in 2018/2019 (he didn't)

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

Also had the most coaches votes of all key and general defenders in 2019. Player ratings aren't the be all and end all, and even more so with defenders.

Vlastuin not ever making an AA team is a disgrace tho.

No he didn't. And it's not just player ratings, he was no good in basically every stat in 2019. It's weird to think he should've even been close to AA in 2019. '21, '22 and '23 though? Sure, he was elite in those seasons

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Not sure where you are getting your figures from. Stewart's AA selection in 2019 was ludicrous. In 11 of his 22 home and away matches, he rated 6.0 or less, which is poor in any position in any match. In half his matches he was not a factor. And he by no means starred in the other half.

In 2019 Tom Stewart had the 9th most coaches votes of all defenders, but if you actually look through the votes of the matches where he polled, he seems to have been the recipient of the most asymmetrical voting you could ever wish to see. There is only about 1 vote you can be certain came from the opposition coach, from 29 total for the season. I have studied about 30 players coaches votes in detail for asymmetrical voting on the Daicos thread, and Stewart's 2019 is the worst case I have seen for it, and it is not even close. He was equal 9th with 8 other players for Brownlow votes, but we are talking 3 votes total for the season, so it is not a factor. He was the 160th highest rated defender in the competition.

He was about 80th amongst defenders for score involvements. He was about 60th for score launches, so no attacking impact. He was not in the top 100 for spoils. Not in the top 100 for contested possessions. 33rd for uncontested possessions. He did well in defensive 1 v 1 contest losses but had a stack of defenders ahead of him in this stat who had a meaningful amount of matches and contests. The only single stat I can find where he was in the top 6 defenders in the AFL that season is metres gained where he ranked 3rd. That is it.

There was absolutely no reason for him to be selected. Sicily for eg, destroyed Stewart in ratings, coaches votes and Brownlow votes, but the selectors somehow went for Stewart. Only one player who rated below 9.98 was selected in each of the 2018 and 2019 AA teams. Stewart with 9.2 in 2018 and Stewart with 6.4 in 2019. So of the 12 defensive selections made in 2018 & 2019, Stewart rated 11th, a fair distance behind 10th, and 12th a mile behind everyone.

2018 was a baffling selection. 2019 was completely insane.

You have to really bend time and space to get your head around the fact he has been selected in the AA team more often than Dustin Martin, who would have to have his arms tied behind his back to ever lose a contest to Stewart.

Gotta say, this is one of the best takedown posts of another's misinformation I've seen for a long time. Even by your own very lofty standards MR, this is solid gold. You're getting into Weaver territory right here

 

[tiger_tough]

He did perform poorly in one of them. The other he was okay, but many other defenders were ahead of him. His 2019 was bad, as highlighted by Meteroic Rise. The only stat he was good in was Metres Gained that year. Don't confuse him being an elite player in the early 2020s with him deserving AA in 2018/2019 (he didn't)

Okay, so you've gone from 'absolutely terribly' to 'poorly' and 'okay'. So when I said it was a flat out lie, you actually agreed with me.

What's next?

 

[Moonatic77]

So how is Tom going? You know the bloke this thread is dedicated to.....

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

Okay, so you've gone from 'absolutely terribly' to 'poorly' and 'okay'. So when I said it was a flat out lie, you actually agreed with me.

What's next?

Bro has never heard of hyperbole, wow. For an AA player, he did play absolutely terribly that year. For a defender, he played poorly. But getting selected with a year like that deserves harsher language since he should have been no where near AA that year. Sure, my very initial comment said he performed absolutely terribly in "those years". Guess I should've been more specific and said 2019 (which I did clarify in a later comment). You're making a nothing point and being pedantic. I'll correct my statement then. He was terrible in 2019, better in 2018 but still not deserving of AA and not near his peak years. Happy? Anyway, I think the conversation has run its course, as I'm sure you agree.

What role do we all think Brown will play this year? I'm hoping he is allowed to be more attacking and we go through him more often. His straight line speed is fantastic. On the eye test I feel like he has pretty poor agility, but it might just bet he way he runs. I'm not sure what his combine results were. In any case, we need to use him when we are having trouble splitting the opposition defence.

 

[tiger_tough]

Bro has never heard of hyperbole, wow. For an AA player, he did play absolutely terribly that year. For a defender, he played poorly. But getting selected with a year like that deserves harsher language since he should have been no where near AA that year. Sure, my very initial comment said he performed absolutely terribly in "those years". Guess I should've been more specific and said 2019 (which I did clarify in a later comment). You're making a nothing point and being pedantic. I'll correct my statement then. He was terrible in 2019, better in 2018 but still not deserving of AA and not near his peak years. Happy? Anyway, I think the conversation has run its course, as I'm sure you agree.

What role do we all think Brown will play this year? I'm hoping he is allowed to be more attacking and we go through him more often. His straight line speed is fantastic. On the eye test I feel like he has pretty poor agility, but it might just bet he way he runs. I'm not sure what his combine results were. In any case, we need to use him when we are having trouble splitting the opposition defence.

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

Huge year for the lad to really solidify his position in the team for the next 8 years. Right now Brown and Van Rooyen are neck and neck. JVR clearly ahead in the talent stakes but on field performances so far are pretty equal in different positions.

 

[tiger_tough]

Huge year for the lad to really solidify his position in the team for the next 8 years. Right now Brown and Van Rooyen are neck and neck. JVR clearly ahead in the talent stakes but on field performances so far are pretty equal in different positions.

Geez not sure about that. JVR was woeful at times last year (not hyperbole Timothy Luncheon ). He has really stagnated from his debut year when it looked like he'd become a gun.

He goes for too many big pack marks, is useless when the ball hits the deck and unless he has sticky mits that day (rare), hes pretty damn average.

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

Geez not sure about that. JVR was woeful at times last year (not hyperbole Timothy Luncheon ). He has really stagnated from his debut year when it looked like he'd become a gun.

He goes for too many big pack marks, is useless when the ball hits the deck and unless he has sticky mits that day (rare), hes pretty damn average.

Sounds like Bauer

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

Geez not sure about that. JVR was woeful at times last year (not hyperbole Timothy Luncheon ). He has really stagnated from his debut year when it looked like he'd become a gun.

He goes for too many big pack marks, is useless when the ball hits the deck and unless he has sticky mits that day (rare), hes pretty damn average.

I think talent wise JVR is ahead of him but the game is littered with wastes talent. In terms of output I thibk they're similar over their career so far. Tom definitely had a better 2025 you're spot on

 

[lizard man]

So how is Tom going? You know the bloke this thread is dedicated to.....

By Tom, you mean Tom Stewart, right?

 

[tigs2010]

As others tried to point out yesterday, Lynches hit last year could of easily resulted in a similar outcome
Just because it didn’t the action was essentially the same

The Houli hit on Jed Lamb is another example where tigers fans downplay what occurred simply because he plays for our jumper

Lamb got what was coming to him for holding our beloved Bachar.

His teammate stealing his wallet was a bit distasteful though.

 

[THE_GUN]

Lamb got what was coming to him for holding our beloved Bachar.

His teammate stealing his wallet was a bit distasteful though.

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