Player Watch #32 - Corey Ellis

[mopsy]

Wow! What a fantastic squad we've assembled.
Dimma and his coaches, the recruiting/development departments, the player retention people (yes, Dan Richardson deserves a bit of praise here) and the on field leaders.
Allied with the super strong off field position that we find ourselves in.
Plus, we are actually the reigning premiers!
Maybe we can put our inferiority complex behind us... not that we should ever forget the past.

On C Ellis, like all our list their are no "gifted" games and if he plays in the 22 then he's earned it.
No guarantees but it's not impossible.

Wtf. Apart from the last two lines im Not sure what any of that has to do with the post you quoted.
But hey why should i expect anything different, im used to those who do nothing but deflect.

On the last two lines are you going to sit there and tell us he earnt his 6 games in front of others last yr or he should have stayed in the team with the performances he put up. lol.

 

[_RT_]

I've always marveled at the notion of how some players get continually tagged with having enormous upside and potential (CEllis), yet others get pigeon-holed as being done (Miles). What is it ....... he doesn't fit our game plan? yet he goes about getting 30-plus possessions, a lot of them inside, each week in the Twos. If 2017 proved anything, any player can improve. Miles can. Hampson can (but let's concede he won't). At the end of the day, if CEllis can finish third and sixth in a Richmond b&f we'll have a player. But some will continue to rubbish the guy who's done it.

There's that balanced objectivity I've come to admire from you. You can bag a kid yet to play a full season at AFL but heaven forbid anyone criticise a player you're a fanboy of. If 2017 taught us anything it's that players who were once walk up starts in the 22 aren't necessarily still that heading into 2018. Younger and/or better players are waiting/taking their positions.

 

[This Is Anfield]

Wtf. Apart from the last two lines im Not sure what any of that has to do with the post you quoted.
But hey why should i expect anything different, im used to those who do nothing but deflect.

On the last two lines are you going to sit there and tell us he earnt his 6 games in front of others last yr or he should have stayed in the team with the performances he put up. lol.

Of course it has.
The playing list you posted just highlighted what a strong position we are in.
Wasn't deflecting but agreeing with you.

Of course he earned them as he was picked by better judges than you and me!
However, I was mainly talking about going forward.

 

[Grrr]

I had this debate when we got Prestia. Miles inside game was on a par or not far behind Dions over the previous three seasons 2014,2015, 2016.
His c/p and clearance work at least statistically was very good and he averaged over 4 tackles a game, along with getting plenty of the pill with around 23 disposals a game.

If that is not good enough for people or doesnt balance out the lack of pace then how does Ellis fare.
People dont want Miles in the team because of his pace and a percieved inability to run and spread away from a contest particularly chasing a quicker opponent.
Well how the hell is Ellis going to fare in this as well.

This imo is where the coaches come into it. Lots of teams have slow inside players just like Miles most arent as effective inside as him.The coaches have structures in place that cover for them that allows them to just get on and do what they do best and thats compete at the coal face.

Im not sure how people can want Ellis in the team and not Miles if it is about inside play. your going to strike the same problems on the outside yet one is elite or bordering on it when it comes to inside work.

To me you treat each player the same performance, along with strength and weakness and the role they are expected to perform.

And most agree with you, Ellis has to work his way into the side, if he can. Miles is obviously behind others as well. It may be that they are giving him a run early to see what he can do and give him some confidence, also it is a practice match. He may have had a great off season on the track and may be in good form. He may be getting a run because Prestia isn't. His form was good in the last part and the finals in the VFL so he may be improving.

 

[Goldust]

There's that balanced objectivity I've come to admire from you. You can bag a kid yet to play a full season at AFL but heaven forbid anyone criticise a player you're a fanboy of. If 2017 taught us anything it's that players who were once walk up starts in the 22 aren't necessarily still that heading into 2018. Younger and/or better players are waiting/taking their positions.

And what I admire from you is reality (a long forgotten trait on here). As you say anyone can emerge from the pack ... that's coupled with the fact some will inevitably go backwards (which no one here can concede). But anyone can emerge (at risk of upsetting the whingers ... even #10 proved that ... never been close to the heights he got to in the last three games last season and was putrid in three previous finals. Won't hold my breath but would love a repeat).
Change is inevitable and despite being tarred as the most negative guy on here, I see big gains this year from Bolton, Menadue, Stengle, Garthwaite and Lloyd and hoping so with Miles and Moore.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

And what I admire from you is reality (a long forgotten trait on here). As you say anyone can emerge from the pack ... that's coupled with the fact some will inevitably go backwards (which no one here can concede). But anyone can emerge (at risk of upsetting the whingers ... even #10 proved that ... never been close to the heights he got to in the last three games last season and was putrid in three previous finals. Won't hold my breath but would love a repeat).
Change is inevitable and despite being tarred as the most negative guy on here, I see big gains this year from Bolton, Menadue, Stengle, Garthwaite and Lloyd and hoping so with Miles and Moore.

Agree...

 

[RunningBounce]

CONTEXT??? Deledio's first six games canme in a Tigers team which lost three times by over 100 points and never got closer than 79 points.
He at least got his hands on the ball and contributed.
CEllis walked into a very good team

How about Rance's first couple of seasons? JR8? Going back a few years, Ottens?

Give the kid time. Or are you wanting to see him fail?

At this point, you're not even offering an argument. Your just starting fights. With everyone.

Goldy, look after yourself. Coming onto BF and starting fights every single day over every single issue would wear down granite.

 

[Dr Tigris]

I don't attack posters. I don't like posters who attack others, and certainly do not sit back applauding. I've had my disagreements with both you and Mopsy, but in the main have kept it civil. I've also backup you and Mopsy up on occasions if I agree with what you say.
I don't think there are two categories of posters, I think it's a bit broader than that. As I've said numerous times re CEllis, I and many others agree with a good deal with what you both have to say, not all of it, but some. I don't attack players either, I may mention their faults, but I don't go them. With Vickery I was frustrated at how he was getting games, not at the player. By and large they are all trying their guts out.

Agree, but you infer that TV was 'trying his guts out'. By the end he was trying my patience out - and I liked him!! Still he did us well in crossing to the Hawks and making their forward line function so well.

On Cellis I completely agree.

 

[prodigy]

What do you care?

I find it all thoroughly entertaining.


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[Cdog71]

Get some games into him and trade him next year in the Lynch deal

 

[Cdog71]

Or maybe just any deal

 

[Goldust]

How about Rance's first couple of seasons? JR8? Going back a few years, Ottens?

Give the kid time. Or are you wanting to see him fail?

At this point, you're not even offering an argument. Your just starting fights. With everyone.

Goldy, look after yourself. Coming onto BF and starting fights every single day over every single issue would wear down granite.

Not starting a fight. Just suggesting CEllis has walked into a team that is superior to the s**t-box Deledio walked into.
CEllis walked into a finalist from the previous year and a team that was a finalist in his debut year. And let's be honest ... he wasn't asked to do a lot and didn't do much either. He had 10 tackles in 10 games (below two a game but neither here nor there). Deledio walked into a team largely bereft of talent and coming off a spoon with the highest of expectations of lifting us (which should never have been the case). I think you'll find what he deleived was substantially more and he then he quickly got better.
Glad you mentioned Riewoldt. I have retold this story a hundred times on here (to defend the guy's leadership qualities which were ignored by the club). I saw Jack at Coburg in our twos marshalling much older forwards like Kent Kingsley and Cleve Hughes in a game before he made his senior debut and quite frankly say a future star and leader then and there. I respect your football acumen and you will know watching that sometimes a player - even early - just has that something and will make it. Ottens -was prepared to take time. Rance - raw as hell - but was confident he would get there as he had plenty of go in him at a time when we were known for our lack of resilience and mental weakness.
For the record, for a bloke who is continually painted as never positive ... I have seen that something special in Balta (in his EDFL days ... I said that's a kid who will get to the AFL).
I hop you have been reading as I have stated on about a dozen occasions, I would love to see him make it and become a player ... and now I've said it a 13th time. But f*** me, I am not going to sit here, wishing, praying, deluding myself by thinking if I say it publicly enough he’ll make it and be a star. To their credit there have been some who have readily admitted it’s all about ‘hoping’ it turns around for him. Mate, I know it grates people here that I am not the purest of optimists and blindly talk up every player and feel need to make it contest between our player and arrival player, our coach and rival coach to make me feel better and appease the masses who can’t think for themselves. It saddens me that there are people on this board (two in particular) don’t have it in them to have an original thought and their whole modus operandi is to try and bait me and disagree with me (and to rally others to do so). I have far more respect for those who disagree with me but do it for the right reasons, even if that reason is they plain disagree.
But I say this, I see nothing from CEllis that convinces me he has a long-term future, is better than any number of players who missed a game in the GF last year and was worthy of pick 32 or 43 in the draft let alone 12. Yes, I can hang my hat on that one goal against Essendon in 2015, or that one two-tackle game in 2017 at Williamstown .. but the sum total of his work is well short of where it has needed to be. Isolate some highlights from Taylor Hunt, Steve Morris, Ty Vickery … or any hack from St Kilda, Melbourne, GC etc. and they’ll all have patches, highlights …. you don’t get to the AFL without something …. But the sum total does not leave me confident.
So for a 14th time I hope he makes it, but I am no way convinced he will and we need better from him.

 

[Goldust]

Agree...

I really couldn't care if you agreed and would prefer you left my posts alone and put me on ignore (as you have supposedly told others that you have done).
We have nothing even remotely to discuss and I don't care for the games you play.
So if you won't put me on Ignore for my sake, think of your fellow posters and do it for them.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Goldust]

I find it all thoroughly entertaining.


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So do I

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Corey Ellis contribution to Richmond can be summarised in that posters wax lyrically about a passage of play but can't recall an entire game where he has dominated or had a 4 quarter effort.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

Breakout year looming.

Will play round 1.

A few of you will be eating your words at the end of the year

 

[Goldust]

Corey Ellis contribution to Richmond can be summarised in that posters wax lyrically about a passage of play but can't recall an entire game where he has dominated or had a 4 quarter effort.

Nailed it!

 

[Cdog71]

He's like a 1980s centre man, his lack of pace wouldn't have been as much a weakness cause he'd be close to the ball and can use his kicking..
i don't reckon he fits anywhere

 

[mopsy]

Of course it has.
The playing list you posted just highlighted what a strong position we are in.
Wasn't deflecting but agreeing with you.

Of course he earned them as he was picked by better judges than you and me!
However, I was mainly talking about going forward.

okay fair enough.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I really couldn't care if you agreed and would prefer you left my posts alone and put me on ignore (as you have supposedly told others that you have done).
We have nothing even remotely to discuss and I don't care for the games you play.
So if you won't put me on Ignore for my sake, think of your fellow posters and do it for them.
Thanks in advance.

Lol...are you running this site with your rules now...!?

 

[4tune8]

fingers in the ears.......la la la la la

 

[TigerImposter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_AFL_Rising_Star

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/player-profile/brett-deledio

 

[_RT_]

And what I admire from you is reality (a long forgotten trait on here). As you say anyone can emerge from the pack ... that's coupled with the fact some will inevitably go backwards (which no one here can concede). But anyone can emerge (at risk of upsetting the whingers ... even #10 proved that ... never been close to the heights he got to in the last three games last season and was putrid in three previous finals. Won't hold my breath but would love a repeat).
Change is inevitable and despite being tarred as the most negative guy on here, I see big gains this year from Bolton, Menadue, Stengle, Garthwaite and Lloyd and hoping so with Miles and Moore.

We're all supporters of the club and within that the players. Some players will garner more support that others and if a player that is well liked is talked down by some posters then like any supporter base, those who believe in them stand up for them and mount a case as to why they believe in them, while others will continue to talk them down. There is nothing wrong with that and the simple fact is that if we all agreed with each other this place would become pretty bloody boring and stale quite quickly.

 

[THE_GUN]

In my 52 years of supporting Richmond Football Club i can honestly say that there has only been 1 player that i 'Hated' and thankfully he is gone and no longer consuming space in our great team.

2014 Draft
#12 - Corey Ellis - 30% Chance making it to 100 games
#33 - Connor Menadue - 50% Chance making it to 100 games
#52 - Nathan Drummond - 10% Chance to make it to 100 games
#67 - Dan Butler - 100% Chance to make it to 100 games
#77 - Reece McKenzie
Rookie Draft
#11 - Jayden Short - 30% Chance to make it to 100 games
#29 - Jason Castagna - 100% Chance to make it to 100 games
#46 - Kane Lambert - 100% Chance to make it to 100 games
#61 - Mathew Arnott

 

[Crumpet_avenger]

In my 52 years of supporting Richmond Football Club i can honestly say that there has only been 1 player that i 'Hated' and thankfully he is gone and no longer consuming space in our great team.

2014 Draft
#12 - Corey Ellis - 30% Chance making it to 100 games
#33 - Connor Menadue - 50% Chance making it to 100 games
#52 - Nathan Drummond - 10% Chance to make it to 100 games
#67 - Dan Butler - 100% Chance to make it to 100 games
#77 - Reece McKenzie
Rookie Draft
#11 - Jayden Short - 30% Chance to make it to 100 games
#29 - Jason Castagna - 100% Chance to make it to 100 games
#46 - Kane Lambert - 100% Chance to make it to 100 games
#61 - Mathew Arnott

Interested in how you came up with those percentages.
Ellis is a bust. Not fast. Doesnt get the ball enough and is injury prone
Menadue seems to be froma bygone era where you had 1 or 2 "outside runners". You need to be able to do more than run and get the ball on the outside
I dont see what drummond ever offered. He looked lije a foot soldier. We have moved past him
Castagna was lucky not to be dropped last year and he has plenty snapping at his heels.
Butler is fast but needs more strings to his bow.
Lambert is a genuine player. Fast. Knows his strengths and weaknesses and plays to what he is capable of. Reckon he will win a jack dyer medal soon.
Short Should be a 1st team player. Id have him in as he versatile and can play anywhere.