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Player Watch #32 Samson Ryan

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Marcel Proust said:
Carrol sounded alright but he was overlooked 40 times and Brisbane took a ruck a few picks after Samson. So they probably were targeting him (?)

4 rucks isn't that many given dimmas prefers two. Nank is made of glass. Soldo out. Etc
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I was listening to mick ablett on sen yesterday and they asked him alot of questions about the kids and talent identification being the former wa talent manager and very well connected to people at clubs. Spoke very highly about Carroll character , work ethic and talent as well as leadership. He is also a december birthday so being the younger kids group with so much more growth both physically and game.

Really strange as there is nothing that as been mentioned to a reason for this kid to slide 20 spots but clearly there must be a reason but he is not the only one that slipped down the order . Winder,Trew,Maher,Ford etc.

" If there was 1 player mick that i had to put my house on it to be a 200 game player who would you identify' Mick Ablett
Jack Carroll he's hard and tough as well as being a big size and versatile and play foward back mid hes a young player out of east fremantle thats going to have a very very good career.

Just no reason really , But freo could have also taken him but passed and could have traded up to get him in the 30's but didnt. So maybe there is something the recruiters know / see that we have not heard about.
 
THE_GUN said:
I was listening to mick ablett on sen yesterday and they asked him alot of questions about the kids and talent identification being the former wa talent manager and very well connected to people at clubs. Spoke very highly about Carroll character , work ethic and talent as well as leadership. He is also a december birthday so being the younger kids group with so much more growth both physically and game.

Really strange as there is nothing that as been mentioned to a reason for this kid to slide 20 spots but clearly there must be a reason but he is not the only one that slipped down the order . Winder,Trew,Maher,Ford etc.

" If there was 1 player mick that i had to put my house on it to be a 200 game player who would you identify' Mick Ablett
Jack Carroll he's hard and tough as well as being a big size and versatile and play foward back mid hes a young player out of east fremantle thats going to have a very very good career.

Just no reason really , But freo could have also taken him but passed and could have traded up to get him in the 30's but didnt. So maybe there is something the recruiters know / see that we have not heard about.
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**** me mate if you’re giving Mick Ablett’s analysis that sort of weighting, then every single player picked out of the draft last night will win a Brownlow.
 
THE_GUN said:
I was listening to mick ablett on sen yesterday and they asked him alot of questions about the kids and talent identification being the former wa talent manager and very well connected to people at clubs. Spoke very highly about Carroll character , work ethic and talent as well as leadership. He is also a december birthday so being the younger kids group with so much more growth both physically and game.

Really strange as there is nothing that as been mentioned to a reason for this kid to slide 20 spots but clearly there must be a reason but he is not the only one that slipped down the order . Winder,Trew,Maher,Ford etc.

" If there was 1 player mick that i had to put my house on it to be a 200 game player who would you identify' Mick Ablett
Jack Carroll he's hard and tough as well as being a big size and versatile and play foward back mid hes a young player out of east fremantle thats going to have a very very good career.

Just no reason really , But freo could have also taken him but passed and could have traded up to get him in the 30's but didnt. So maybe there is something the recruiters know / see that we have not heard about.
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Didn't Peter Sumich call him a sook?
 

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THE_GUN said:
No that was Zane Trew
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Oh, that's right

I guess the reason we didn't pick Carrol was fairly apparent in the Clarke interview where he said we were targeting specific types to suit our needs. It's interesting that he said that because the general consensus is that you pick the best available. Might be one of the reasons why the recruiting guys have done so well over the last 5 years or so.
 
DeseRigs said:
fu** me mate if you’re giving Mick Ablett’s analysis that sort of weighting, then every single player picked out of the draft last night will win a Brownlow.
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Not just mick Ablett but also his coaches in juniors as well as WA junior watchers have all been good in their comments about him, Dont believe there is any body that thought he would go this late and most had him top 25. But looks like there must have been a reason and we shall see in 3-4 years time if it was the right call. I just have an issue with having 5 Ruckman or sorts on a list of 42 players for effectively 1 position on the ground and we currently have
Nankervis , Soldo , Chol , CCJ , Ryan with also Colina on the Cat B and emergency backup in Miller.

Only way this could make sense is that we intend to lose Chol + 1 more next off season
 
THE_GUN said:
Not just mick Ablett but also his coaches in juniors as well as WA junior watchers have all been good in their comments about him, Dont believe there is any body that thought he would go this late and most had him top 25. But looks like there must have been a reason and we shall see in 3-4 years time if it was the right call. I just have an issue with having 5 Ruckman or sorts on a list of 42 players for effectively 1 position on the ground and we currently have
Nankervis , Soldo , Chol , CCJ , Ryan with also Colina on the Cat B and emergency backup in Miller.

Only way this could make sense is that we intend to lose Chol + 1 more next off season
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Who do you rate as a genuine, fulltime AFL ruck out of that list?
 
THE_GUN said:
Not just mick Ablett but also his coaches in juniors as well as WA junior watchers have all been good in their comments about him, Dont believe there is any body that thought he would go this late and most had him top 25. But looks like there must have been a reason and we shall see in 3-4 years time if it was the right call. I just have an issue with having 5 Ruckman or sorts on a list of 42 players for effectively 1 position on the ground and we currently have
Nankervis , Soldo , Chol , CCJ , Ryan with also Colina on the Cat B and emergency backup in Miller.

Only way this could make sense is that we intend to lose Chol + 1 more next off season
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Yeah and you reckon his coaches and WA watchers are going to be unbiased in their view? Of course they’re going to spruik their own talent. At the end of the day, he was passed over 40 times by all clubs. What’s that tell you?
 
YeOldTiger said:
**** here we go again.
Dow is NOT a defender, has never been a defender and won't be a defender.
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Dow has the traits to play defense, just like Houli and Short do we found out. Sometimes young players need to start like Stack did last year where the game is less punishing. Dow has a similar style to his brother who has really struggled after a reasonable start as a mid at Carlton. Not every kid handles the pressure. But of course that is only after he is given a crack as a mid/forward.
 
DeseRigs said:
Yeah and you reckon his coaches and WA watchers are going to be unbiased in their view? Of course they’re going to spruik their own talent. At the end of the day, he was passed over 40 times by all clubs. What’s that tell you?
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Tells me he is an AFL player that went 15 places after he should have and has the chance to make a career for himself , Tim Kelly got passed up in many drafts
jack Riewoldt got passed up by 12 other clubs. Jack Ross ? Jack Graham im sure you also love what he brings and he was touted as a early 20's pick
Would you like Worpel ?

He could also be a total spud but we wont know that yet and the kid has just turned 18 , Not too bad a player to get drafted as a bottom ager and going 15-20 spots later than expected is not the end of the world and from the same club as P.Cripps who we also passed up.

Good luck to the kid hope he has a good career
 

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4tune8 said:
Who do you rate as a genuine, fulltime AFL ruck out of that list?
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I think that this is a good question to pose. We have a lot of rucks on our list but if we really look at it, they are either undersized, dual position players (like CCJ) or spent like 1-2 years playing AFL before being drafted. Ryan is our only ruck that is a genuine full-time ruckman, not undersized and was already familiar with playing footy well before being drafted. Because of this, I think that Ryan is a good investment by the club. The other thing that our club highlighted in the draft summary video and is also evident in the game posted by Thommo 42 is how good of a kick he is for a ruckman and his creativity in the ruck. He's also good in the air and reasonable at ground level.

If he is already destroying grown men in the ruck as a kid, is a good decision-maker, is a good kick and can dominate in the air, then his potential is huge. He could end up one of the premier players in the ruck competition-wide if he builds on his fitness and strength, and a top-tier ruck is harder to find than a serviceable to good mid.

Didn't necessarily need to pick him at pick 40, but if they were always going to walk away with only 2 picks in this draft, then it makes sense to do so if one of the picks was always going to be Rioli Jr.
 
Lsta062 said:
I think that this is a good question to pose. We have a lot of rucks on our list but if we really look at it, they are either undersized, dual position players (like CCJ) or spent like 1-2 years playing AFL before being drafted. Ryan is our only ruck that is a genuine full-time ruckman, not undersized and was already familiar with playing footy well before being drafted. Because of this, I think that Ryan is a good investment by the club. The other thing that our club highlighted in the draft summary video and is also evident in the game posted by Thommo 42 is how good of a kick he is for a ruckman and his creativity in the ruck. He's also good in the air and reasonable at ground level.

If he is already destroying grown men in the ruck as a kid, is a good decision-maker, is a good kick and can dominate in the air, then his potential is huge. He could end up one of the premier players in the ruck competition-wide if he builds on his fitness and strength, and a top-tier ruck is harder to find than a serviceable to good mid.

Didn't necessarily need to pick him at pick 40, but if they were always going to walk away with only 2 picks in this draft, then it makes sense to do so if one of the picks was always going to be Rioli Jr.
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I think you pretty much nailed it.

Nank and Soldo are our only 'real' rucks, along with Samson now. The Lions took a ruck a few picks after ours and I'm sure Clarke would have identified that they were after one and who better than someone who had gone through their Academy already, it's the main reason why I think we took him where we did.

With Soldo out for the year the whole burden of carrying the ruck has fallen to Nank. I consider the ruck position to be one of the hardest on the body of a player out of all the positions on the ground. Nank is a beast in and around stoppages and grinds his opponent into the ground, it's one of the reasons that we are so strong in the latter part of games, but we can't rely on him doing it week in and week out. So picking up a lad who has had a couple more years development over an 18yo is a smart move. Managing player loads, particularly with longer quarters is going to be paramount to defending the Premiership.

Of the other blokes listed there's only CCJ who is a ruck/forward and not proven yet, maybe there's whispers that he'll request a trade next year which has forced our hand? Chol, whilst having some outstanding moments, doesn't yet have the output to be a best 22 player. Maybe defence is his go? That leaves Mate Colina who is at least 2 years away from debuting IMO.
 
THE_GUN said:
Think we have a new game plan in the works

HF : Soldo(204cm) - Colina (213cm)- Nankervis (200cm)
FF : Chol (200cm)- Lynch (200cm)- Coleman-Jones (200cm)

We just need a Ruckman to play in the Ruck now
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It's like the freaking land of the giants
HF : Soldo(204cm) - Colina (213cm)- Nankervis (200cm)
FF : Chol (200cm)- Lynch (200cm)- Coleman-Jones (200cm)
Ruck : Ryan (206cm)
 
Mr Magic said:
Getting a ruckman does not bother as much as how much our midfield is neglected by our recruiters.

I feel very sorry for Dusty that has to carry such a load as the bigger midfielder.

Do some in the club want to crucify Dusty?

I am feeling back pain from the load Dusty is carrying at the moment!!
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Well this is our midfield group allegedly
MIDFIELDERS: Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia, Shane Edwards, Shai Bolton, Trent Cotchin, Kane Lambert, Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham, Marlion Pickett, Jack Ross, Thomson Dow, Riley Collier-Dawkins, Will Martyn, Noah Cumberland, Hugo Ralphsmith, Patrick Naish.
How many more do you want??????
 

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Walt Kowalski said:
This is smart. If Nank goes down we now have cover and dont have to rely on Chol and Balta. We don't have much to lose. He's playing senior footy in the ruck and doing well by the look of it. We could've recruited a 32yo ruck but this seems so much smarter. If he can just compete, it's a win. If he shows a bit, it's a massive win.

I dont think they're looking at him as a project, but as genuine cover for 2021.
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Too right Kowalski, Tigers ahead of the curve as usual :)
 
Lsta062 said:
I think that this is a good question to pose. We have a lot of rucks on our list but if we really look at it, they are either undersized, dual position players (like CCJ) or spent like 1-2 years playing AFL before being drafted. Ryan is our only ruck that is a genuine full-time ruckman, not undersized and was already familiar with playing footy well before being drafted. Because of this, I think that Ryan is a good investment by the club. The other thing that our club highlighted in the draft summary video and is also evident in the game posted by Thommo 42 is how good of a kick he is for a ruckman and his creativity in the ruck. He's also good in the air and reasonable at ground level.

If he is already destroying grown men in the ruck as a kid, is a good decision-maker, is a good kick and can dominate in the air, then his potential is huge. He could end up one of the premier players in the ruck competition-wide if he builds on his fitness and strength, and a top-tier ruck is harder to find than a serviceable to good mid.

Didn't necessarily need to pick him at pick 40, but if they were always going to walk away with only 2 picks in this draft, then it makes sense to do so if one of the picks was always going to be Rioli Jr.
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Great post and we did the right thing picking him when we did if as rumoured, Brisbane were looking to take him a few picks later
 
Stan Judkins said:
Well this is our midfield group allegedly
MIDFIELDERS: Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia, Shane Edwards, Shai Bolton, Trent Cotchin, Kane Lambert, Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham, Marlion Pickett, Jack Ross, Thomson Dow, Riley Collier-Dawkins, Will Martyn, Noah Cumberland, Hugo Ralphsmith, Patrick Naish.
How many more do you want??????
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Why do people debate with MM? There’s some way out opinions from that source!!!
 

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